Okay I'm sorry. Honestly, I got mad when you said that there were multiple instances of me making plainly false statements that could easily be disproven. Nothing else in the past four pages has offended me, not even Luchadork, but that truly did, because I try not to do anything like that.
So I rewatched that part of the stream, and there are no easily disproven statements. You've backpedaled a bit above, with "essentially stated" and "implying" and I appreciate that. My true implication was that Damiani hadn't spent enough time in the game to be bothered by it. Now that he has completed it we're actually on a very similar page, so I think I wasn't wrong to say just "Just wait."
If you can find any direct quotes you would like to disprove I'd be interested to hear them.
Fair enough, I can see where I was perhaps being a bit harsh with my initial statement where instead my recent post would be better suited. I still believe you went in a little too hard with claiming the game was a cash grab and nothing more while appearing annoyed and closed off with the discussion both vocally and physically.
As for direct quotes, here's what stood out to me as antagonistic and/or misleading:
(38:16 - 38:50) "How far are you? A couple hours? Good job Damiani! You're still in its little honey trap!"
(38:52 - 39:36) "I'll hear it when you're sitting at level 8. Yeah. Stamina's been around since day one? Sure, sure, sure. Tell me how to get to level five star. Tell me how to get a four star to a five star."
(42:01 - 42:47) "Damiani, tell me how to turn a four star unit into a five star unit. Just tell me how to do it. Tell me how to do it. How many five star units you got? How many five star units do you have? Okay. Damiani, get to level nine... get to chapter nine. Okay. Do it. Get there."
(42:48 - 42:57) "Damiani, it gets purposely hard so that you grind in other modes so that you use up your stamina so that you spend more money on the game. Yeah."
42:58 to 43:36 is just personal opinions and not something I'll personally dispute as I don't particularly enjoy mobile game design let alone the Gacha variety. I do believe though that it's not very fair to compare Fire Emblem Heroes to mainline Fire Emblem entries simply due to its nature and platform.
I didn't include Damiani's responses as it's a lot of effort on my part, however, you can hear the discussion at its near entirety using the times I listed. As for the follow-up on Twitter, that can be seen using this
link.
In any case, the last two quotes carry the heaviest messaging in that you're pushing five star units and money as a requirement. The Twitter response further builds upon that messaging that monetary investment is required and you can't simply level up via normal means.
Both those implications are easily disproved. Don't get me wrong, I understand that the game can be frustrating especially at the later stages if you don't put money in or have five star units, however, at no point are either required of the user to progress through or enjoy the game.
I do wonder what the split on casual vs more dedicated players is for mobile games like Fire Emblem Heroes is. The places I usually read have people rerolling for double 5* unit accounts and easily blazing through the game -- what I heard on the stream was a completely different perspective.
Not really interested in debating if the game is bad or good but it does feel like Kyle went into the game with false expectations.
Those kind of games usually do get events and updates on a regular basis and will probably have much more content and QoL changes six months or one year down the line from now (including being able to level and evolve your units faster).
Going by the last few comments that discussion had and one he made here, Kyle expected something along the lines of a mainline Fire Emblem instead of your typical Gacha game with Fire Emblem flair attached. I'm not going to fault him for that, but I do think it's incredibly dismissive to knock Fire Emblem Heroes on the fact that it's not that and instead your usual mobile game.
I do imagine some of these more immediate concerns will be addressed in some form as time goes on and the game properly fleshes out. In fact, Nintendo already seems to be responding by hosting new promotional events that are giving out items such as feathers, stamina potions, and dual crests.
Thread use to be so jolly
I'm really sorry if it seems I'm trying to be argumentative for the sake of it as that's not the intention. I genuinely want to see Easy Allies succeed, and I feel that suggestions and criticisms should be encouraged if delivered in a way that's not just dismissive or insulting.
