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Sorry, didn't think about it.
IdreamofHIME
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Disappointing about Souls. Love the games, but at this point there's really nothing more can be said about their short history and Miyazaki's story that Vaati, GermanSpy and Co. haven't already covered.
I mean, Stop Skeletons From Fighting just did an excellent bio on Miyazaki a while ago.
Was really hoping for Persona. 😥
I mean, Stop Skeletons From Fighting just did an excellent bio on Miyazaki a while ago.
Was really hoping for Persona. 😥
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Total uninterest in the new Patreon tiers. Making Damiani double down even further on Nintendo seems like a dreadful idea for his personal bias going forward and he's done a Zelda podcast like 4-5 times now anyway.
Don't really care about a movie podcast either. Especially if it's not really going to tackle most mainstream movies like I'd anticipate.
Eh.
Don't really care about a movie podcast either. Especially if it's not really going to tackle most mainstream movies like I'd anticipate.
Eh.
brotkasten
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Oh God... That's such a good choice for a retro. I'd love that and I hope they can consider the series for one of their next retros.
It's true, but it's literally like 100 hours per game. Capturing footage would be hell, no doubt. Would be a great choice for a "crowd-created" retro though, if fans can help collect footage. Crew could script it, edit it, and voice it!
That thing you call "bias" is actually passion. He likes what he likes. Should he pretend to like everything else as much as he likes Nintendo? He's definitely not biased, and is one of the most critical of Nintendo.
wapplew
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I mean, we fund them because we enjoy them do what they love to do. Damiani's Nintendo love won't change, he have all the Nintendo knowledge I would like learn and I'm sure he will be extra critical to Nintendo.
It's the best case for Damiani to do what he love and find audience that enjoy it.
I'm sure I've seen people in this thread ask for a movie podcast or at the least for someone like Huber to chat about the movies he's seen. And that's not counting the people potentially asking in other avenues like twitter. Also judging by the reaction to those announcements in this thread people do want to listen to or watch them. It's not like the reaction to the Story Time announcement which I seem to recall going down like a lead balloon. I call that a course correction.
They might not want to talk about other options like a potential Bosman show particularly if he's made it clear he doesn't want to do it without a studio. What do you want them to do then? Announce that as another tier beyond the studio tier?
Hippolnareff
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The only issue I have with a Nintendo podcast is that sometimes the EZA podcast can be basically a Nintendo podcast, or at least Nintendo-leaning. Maybe it's because there's been a recent console launch and a highly-rated title but even as far back as GT Time, they would discuss every little rumour that appeared for Nintendo's next console. It feels like it's had a significant presence on the show for a couple years now. As a non-Nintendo player, I don't really mind but if you're going to have a Nintendo dedicated podcast then does that mean there will be overlap? When a Nintendo Direct happens, will the EZA Podcast just not cover it and tell viewers to tune in to Damiani's? Or will the Allies just repeat themselves?
Glad Ian's getting another show but to be honest, I support them for gaming discussions, not film. The only thing that worries me is that I'm backing them for gaming content and if the trend continues of them expanding sideways instead of building a stronger gaming channel, then I don't feel I'd have much incentive to up my pledge in the future. Unless things like Just Played, Trailer Score, more Sleuths & Retros and other bigger gaming projects are developed alongside.
I mentioned (similar to Mista Koo) earlier in the thread that I feel like they're straying further from a direct aesthetic/direction for their channel and I feel like 40k Tiers that appeal to completely other forms of media is sort of unnerving. I'll support them nonetheless.
Glad Ian's getting another show but to be honest, I support them for gaming discussions, not film. The only thing that worries me is that I'm backing them for gaming content and if the trend continues of them expanding sideways instead of building a stronger gaming channel, then I don't feel I'd have much incentive to up my pledge in the future. Unless things like Just Played, Trailer Score, more Sleuths & Retros and other bigger gaming projects are developed alongside.
I mentioned (similar to Mista Koo) earlier in the thread that I feel like they're straying further from a direct aesthetic/direction for their channel and I feel like 40k Tiers that appeal to completely other forms of media is sort of unnerving. I'll support them nonetheless.
I too would never call Damiani biased towards Nintendo, yeah. He's obviously passionate about the company, but I've never thought he's been soft on them, if anything he's been one of their biggest critics among the Allies. Sometimes even, in my opinion that is, to a too harsh extend, although I know it comes from a place of love.
I'm not sure what's up with people thinking that way, it was the same thing leading up to the Breath of the Wild review.
People are always so quick people to see biases where people have passions. It's certainly a thing that can happen, but being the most critical of the things you love makes perfect sense to me and it's what I see here.
I'm not sure what's up with people thinking that way, it was the same thing leading up to the Breath of the Wild review.
People are always so quick people to see biases where people have passions. It's certainly a thing that can happen, but being the most critical of the things you love makes perfect sense to me and it's what I see here.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Damiani's Nintendo bias isn't so much that he's always positive about them but just that he just endlessly goes on about them to a fault. As others have said, the main podcast has felt like a Nintendo one for a lot of the past year anyway so I'm not sure where the mighty need is for one dedicated solely to them comes from. Will Damiani not feature as much on the normal podcast and Frame Trap because it would just be boring crossover? Will there even be enough Nintendo news every fortnight to care about?
Just feels like a poor use of resources and time and makes EZA look biased in one direction since I doubt the Podcast and Frame Trap are going to be relabelled as Sony, Microsoft or PC shows.
Funnily enough a PC show would make a lot more sense for instance as that stuff doesn't get covered as much.
As Axass said above, I'm seeing a lot of "not getting it" here with no mention of Best Of's or Game Sleuth or more shows. I think the Allies have stalled and this next year will be growing pains that might demoralise them because of that.
It sounds like the live show was self indulgent nonsense where time and money would have been better served promoting their Patreon business with some produced packages and shows.
Just feels like a poor use of resources and time and makes EZA look biased in one direction since I doubt the Podcast and Frame Trap are going to be relabelled as Sony, Microsoft or PC shows.
Funnily enough a PC show would make a lot more sense for instance as that stuff doesn't get covered as much.
As Axass said above, I'm seeing a lot of "not getting it" here with no mention of Best Of's or Game Sleuth or more shows. I think the Allies have stalled and this next year will be growing pains that might demoralise them because of that.
It sounds like the live show was self indulgent nonsense where time and money would have been better served promoting their Patreon business with some produced packages and shows.
A Nintendo podcast hosted by Damiani is the natural conclusion to Uneasy Alliance :V
Hope Bosman appears Mortal Kombat Toasty! style complaining about Miyamoto at least once on it.
I MUST SEE THIS
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lol @ you guys saying the podcast is too nintendo focused because they discussed the switch/NX rumors frequently
if we had scorpio rumors weekly they would be too microsoft focused?
Hope Bosman appears Mortal Kombat Toasty! style complaining about Miyamoto at least once on it.
WHAT
I MUST SEE THIS
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lol @ you guys saying the podcast is too nintendo focused because they discussed the switch/NX rumors frequently
if we had scorpio rumors weekly they would be too microsoft focused?
I agree with LiquidSolid. More patron exclusivity/early access would do them well but it's better to keep it to the $5 tier. That way you're encouraging people to become patrons or up their pledges from $1, at the same time you are not affecting the 3k people on the $5 tier who expect access to all (video) content.
This is also related to why I'd rather they have more limited and "less costy" tiers. The high end tiers besides the sponsorship reminds me of the whales in f2p, although not inherently heinous I guess.
This is also related to why I'd rather they have more limited and "less costy" tiers. The high end tiers besides the sponsorship reminds me of the whales in f2p, although not inherently heinous I guess.
They can make the studio look as casual as the garage. Personally I'm just hoping it fits two rows of seatings and a desk without them having to rearrange after every shoot.
So everytime Daminani's going to be involved with something we're going to have pages discussing how it's a bad idea because he's passionate about Nintendo's games? It's like being angry about an expert in geology ALWAYS wanting to discuss fucking tectonic plates when there's an earthquake. I mean, come on man, it's such an obvious tectonic bias.
Entire building is going to be decorated with Ally gifts.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Nintendo is a brand name label, not a scientific specialisation.
Read it as Aloy at first and thought Jones had gone too far off the deep end with Horizon love.
I'm glad you took time to point out something that doesn't change anything to the comparison.
Scrotum Phillips
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One thing I'd wish they'd do is communicate more clearly what the 50k studio goal actually means especially now that Jones' garage is looking more like a studio every day.
Does this mean more group streams? Does this mean the return of a Bosman show? Top 10's? Does this mean it's easier for them to edit/put up shows? How immediate would they get the studio? Are they currently saving $ each month for a studio?
I'm an extremely happy day 1 Patreon of EZA, but none of the current stretch goals really do it for me (that's fine, other goals have made me very happy). This might be skeezy, but I wish there were a way to contribute to specific things that they need. For instance, if they needed a new camera, improved lighting, desks, editing stuff or something in that nature to make their lives easier, I'd be more willing to throw $20 towards that than $20 that would be seemingly split 9 different ways.
Does this mean more group streams? Does this mean the return of a Bosman show? Top 10's? Does this mean it's easier for them to edit/put up shows? How immediate would they get the studio? Are they currently saving $ each month for a studio?
I'm an extremely happy day 1 Patreon of EZA, but none of the current stretch goals really do it for me (that's fine, other goals have made me very happy). This might be skeezy, but I wish there were a way to contribute to specific things that they need. For instance, if they needed a new camera, improved lighting, desks, editing stuff or something in that nature to make their lives easier, I'd be more willing to throw $20 towards that than $20 that would be seemingly split 9 different ways.
Name change request: Pukka and Heinz
Stupidly British only joke
Holundrian
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I feel some people are jumping the gun quite a bit judging stuff before it's even out. Be it the Damiani Nintendo podcast or the movie podcast. I think it is one thing to share certain potential concerns but another to assume stuff like that the movie podcast won't even cover the big blockbuster releases and thus won't even be interesting. It's a fine line between both but the latter seems definitely to jump the gun.
I feel like people are already down on stuff before giving it a real chance like yeah personally me too I'm a bit skeptical about the nintendo podcast but to be honest I also don't really know how they want to structure it and what the general ambition with that is. I'm sure that they at least thought about it being a thing that will differentiate it enough from the rest.
I'm sorry though to the people that aren't into movies much :-x probably not too exciting for those people.
As for how it's all tiered yeah I think some reasonable stuff has been said/concerns shared. Maybe at this point we wait until some of them speak to us in more detail about it.
Given this was around the first few months and stuff might have changed given that Ben throws himself into so much work but the most palpable promise tied to the studio so far I think was that weekly Frametrap would be possible. After they mentioned that content like Just Played would be also far easier to do, but they also said that Frametrap kind of picked up the Just Played mantle.
I feel like people are already down on stuff before giving it a real chance like yeah personally me too I'm a bit skeptical about the nintendo podcast but to be honest I also don't really know how they want to structure it and what the general ambition with that is. I'm sure that they at least thought about it being a thing that will differentiate it enough from the rest.
I'm sorry though to the people that aren't into movies much :-x probably not too exciting for those people.
As for how it's all tiered yeah I think some reasonable stuff has been said/concerns shared. Maybe at this point we wait until some of them speak to us in more detail about it.
Given this was around the first few months and stuff might have changed given that Ben throws himself into so much work but the most palpable promise tied to the studio so far I think was that weekly Frametrap would be possible. After they mentioned that content like Just Played would be also far easier to do, but they also said that Frametrap kind of picked up the Just Played mantle.
I'm skeptical about the Nintendo podcast too to some extend, but we know nothing about it. Nothing. If it's all news sure, that'd be silly with the main podcast, but if there's in-depth discussion of specific games or series? History? As long as Damiani gets interesting discussions out of it it'll serve its purpose to me.
I don't really understand the bias angle here, sorry. I agree I would like to see more in-depth PC coverage from the Allies, but in the end they're a bunch of personalities who discus the things they love the most, and the only proper solution to such a thing I can think of would be the introduction of a new member who's hardcore about that kind of stuff specifically. If Damiani wants to discuss Nintendo more on average than other topics I feel like that's just how he feels, and that I wouldn't want it to be any other way, you know? Perhaps you feel different, but it's those sorts of discussions I want the most out of the Allies during the podcasts anyway. The same goes for Ben and JRPGs, Huber and horror, Brandon and open world games etc. Not to say these things necessarily dominate their conversations but when they do I always greatly enjoy these discussions because I know they come from a similar place of passion.
Bias, to me, implies some form of unfairness, as in if it were always excessively positive talk, or a misguided increase in negativity towards other subjects because aren't this preferred one. And I just don't see that with Damiani or any of the Allies.
And "The main podcast has felt like a Nintendo one", really? Again I do agree the coverage isn't perfect, though I don't expect it to be as that isn't the "hook" with EZA, but all I see is frequent Nintendo discussion. Which... seems right? As there has been plenty of information worth discussing? It is a major gaming topic. And yeah, quite a few of the Allies do care about it, which seems like all the more reason for the discussion to me? If it's a topic you don't care for yourself that's fine, but it seems like an odd complaint, I don't think their other console discussion has been neglected because of Nintendo.
I don't really understand the bias angle here, sorry. I agree I would like to see more in-depth PC coverage from the Allies, but in the end they're a bunch of personalities who discus the things they love the most, and the only proper solution to such a thing I can think of would be the introduction of a new member who's hardcore about that kind of stuff specifically. If Damiani wants to discuss Nintendo more on average than other topics I feel like that's just how he feels, and that I wouldn't want it to be any other way, you know? Perhaps you feel different, but it's those sorts of discussions I want the most out of the Allies during the podcasts anyway. The same goes for Ben and JRPGs, Huber and horror, Brandon and open world games etc. Not to say these things necessarily dominate their conversations but when they do I always greatly enjoy these discussions because I know they come from a similar place of passion.
Bias, to me, implies some form of unfairness, as in if it were always excessively positive talk, or a misguided increase in negativity towards other subjects because aren't this preferred one. And I just don't see that with Damiani or any of the Allies.
And "The main podcast has felt like a Nintendo one", really? Again I do agree the coverage isn't perfect, though I don't expect it to be as that isn't the "hook" with EZA, but all I see is frequent Nintendo discussion. Which... seems right? As there has been plenty of information worth discussing? It is a major gaming topic. And yeah, quite a few of the Allies do care about it, which seems like all the more reason for the discussion to me? If it's a topic you don't care for yourself that's fine, but it seems like an odd complaint, I don't think their other console discussion has been neglected because of Nintendo.
Ok, you're 100% right on that, it's more of the Ian part of the announcement that made me pause. When you think about movie fans among the Allies you clearly think Huber. I'm sure that Ian is a film lover as well, it's just that he doesn't show it and he doesn't talk about it as much as Michael.
About Bosman, they could just officially say it's not happening, full stop. Or they could say there's a chance with the studio. It's all a little hazy as of now, maybe Kyle doesn't really know himself.
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I knew that would be the case, the photos did seem to have crappy lighting as well.
Ian's the closest thing EZA has to a full-time film maker.
ITT people think brand loyalty is the same as an interest or a hobby.
60k goal: storage location for the gifts.
Sorry to hear that. I'm sure the discussion will go back to normal once we've got a clear idea of how all of this'll pan out for what it's worth. That's how it usually goes :/
I don't do anything with my thread subscriptions though, it's all manual here baby
Which explains my inconsistent posting >.>
Film maker and film fan are two different things though. Anyway, didn't want to blow anything out of proportion, as I said I love Ian and I approve of a movie podcast, just didn't strike me as the first thing fans wanted.
And that is why they should've announced this on Patreon and/or on the Thursday mega-stream. As of now, they launched a bomb on us (new tiers, shows), but they have explained nil and we can't ask about it in any way until Thursday.
Joking right? Sony has games coming out nearly every week and has just had the best Q1 in history possibly. Nintendo has huge gaps between releases where nothing happens.
Holundrian
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Sorry to hear that I hope you can reconsider and try to help set the tone of the discussion instead. Yeah I kind of get that the tone right now feels a bit closeminded and overly judgemental before we have even seen any of the new stuff. At the same time when I overlook that bit and try to understand where some of the core concerns seems to stem from it's not like it's just lunatic ramblings at least in so far that I try to be open to it as well.
I hope when we as a community try to engage with things even if they might not sit well with us personally as long as it isn't pure insults, people will see that and respect that and in turn try to be more mindful about how they express themselves to improve discourse.
I think there's some fairness to that. Next year they'll probably reconsider and reschedule it the other way around. That said I also don't see the big deal it's like 2 days apart so that's not an insane amount of patience to ask for. But then I'm EU
I'm goddamn used to releases making it over here a few days late or let's not even mentioned years/month in the case of Atlus.LiquidSolid
Member
A couple things:
1. Why wouldn't they acknowledge them? farisr's doing a great job.
2. I think you're massively under-estimating how much time goes into those videos. I'm guessing if Jones tried to do it, he'd be right back where he was last year: sleep deprived because he can't keep up with the workload.
I think the Best Of videos are better off staying as a fan-led thing for now, so long as farisr has the time to put into them. I'd love to see a Giant Bomb situation down the road but that probably won't happen at their current size.
The only shows I really want are:
- Weekly Frame Trap
- Spoilercasts
- A weekly stream with 3-4 Allies together like Huber's RE7 stream
But I'm perfectly fine with their shows as is, so I really don't mind if the movie and Nintendo podcasts aren't targeted at me.
While I agree with everything else (except maybe the "fun things"), I completely disagree with the bit in bold. I don't really see the point of a Nintendo podcast if they're not going to discuss Nintendo related news or new releases. Take those away and you're relegating it to the EZA Podcast and Frame Trap's little Nintendo side-show, when I think it needs to stand on its own feet. If that means discussing something that's already been discussed on another show then so be it, the different panel (and host) may move discussion in a different direction anyway.
Seriously. I won't deny rolling my eyes a couple of times last year when Kyle brought up the NX when there was nothing to talk about (I think Damiani even shut his topic down once, so biased!) but who cares? Nintendo was leaking like the Titanic and they're allowed to be excited.
Dude, he is more then a fan, he's actually done it: https://vimeo.com/ianhinck
CyanideFuse
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Just catching up with last night's event. This thread seems quite negative about what did/didn't happen. I assume we all have to wait until tomorrow's stream to fully clarify things?
Cool. Now look up the word analogy.
SweetJohnnyCage
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He literally went to film school.
I think you read that the wrong way around. Pretty sure they meant Ian being the closest thing to a film maker doesn't mean they're a film fan?
...I really think that's unlikely though, he's clearly got the interest
There's not much to clarify tbh. Movie podcast hosted by Ian and Nintendo-focused show hosted by Damiani. I really have no idea what's going on in this thread, people seem to be upset that the extra goodies they are being gifted are not the exact extra goodies that they had previously imagined and therefore assumed must come into being.
I'm pretty sure I recall Huber saying somewhere (maybe Talking Syndrome) that him & Ian go back & forth on movies regularly and bounce recommendations off of each other, so I'm inclined to believe he's a fan of movies. Also, one of the posts above: he went to film school.
The podcast will be fine in his hands. Everything will be clearer when we get the details.
The podcast will be fine in his hands. Everything will be clearer when we get the details.
The event itself was one thing, but there shouldn't have been a situation in the first place where things had to be clarified.
I'm looking forward to tomorrow's stream for many reasons, but I'd like to see a statement regarding the whole Patreon news being revealed at the concert event as opposed to the anniversary stream and what the additions exactly entail. I doubt it'll ever be confirmed one way or another, but I would also like to know if the attendees were instructed to keep everything disclosed at the event under wraps.
I haven't heard much of anything aside from what mishakoz decided to share, and that's a bit of a problem considering what was covered.
Someone should go tell Ian that he's not actually a fan of movies, as determined by this thread.
There isn't a need for clarification, fans are just being purposefully obtuse and impatient
please dear god do not do that
There isn't a need for clarification, fans are just being purposefully obtuse and impatient
Hippolnareff
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What is it with some people in this thread and their inability to not be insulting? It's like they get a whiff of criticism being shared on the thread and take advantage of it to just slate some of the Allies or explain how they know them better than they do themselves.
Damiani being biased is a misconception, time and time again he's proven it untrue. If anything the problem is that sometimes he ends up being a broken record: on Frame Trap and on the podcast he oft talks about Nintendo, seldom about other things.
That said, the dude can't catch a break: he tried Eorzean Allies, people disliked the pilot and it was moved to the other channel, proposed Story Time, there was no interest, did Zelda Talk, was blamed for wasting time, reviewed Zelda harsher than 90% of other outlets, was accused of bias beforehand, now people are already doubting the Nintendo podcast.
Let's cut him some slack.
What I meant is: going to see lots of movies and actually making movies as a director are two different things. A podcast discussing movies revolves around the first one more than the other.
I guess I'm not stressing enough how I'm sure that the podcast will be great and how I'm perfectly ok with Ian hosting it though, as people keep quoting me. I don't get why you're piling up on me, maybe I'm crazy but Huber talks about movies much more than Ian on a regular basis: on the podcast, on Frame Trap, on Huber Syndrome, on Talking Syndrome; Ian does, but not as much. That's all of it, I didn't mean anything else with my comments.
You all talk as if I had implied Ian isn't qualified for the show, but I never even thought anything like that.
That said, the dude can't catch a break: he tried Eorzean Allies, people disliked the pilot and it was moved to the other channel, proposed Story Time, there was no interest, did Zelda Talk, was blamed for wasting time, reviewed Zelda harsher than 90% of other outlets, was accused of bias beforehand, now people are already doubting the Nintendo podcast.
Let's cut him some slack.
What I meant is: going to see lots of movies and actually making movies as a director are two different things. A podcast discussing movies revolves around the first one more than the other.
I guess I'm not stressing enough how I'm sure that the podcast will be great and how I'm perfectly ok with Ian hosting it though, as people keep quoting me. I don't get why you're piling up on me, maybe I'm crazy but Huber talks about movies much more than Ian on a regular basis: on the podcast, on Frame Trap, on Huber Syndrome, on Talking Syndrome; Ian does, but not as much. That's all of it, I didn't mean anything else with my comments.
You all talk as if I had implied Ian isn't qualified for the show, but I never even thought anything like that.
Well, money is involved so..."wallah".
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