excuse me. we're upset over anime boobs
not upset, mainly laughing with a slight twinge of sadness
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Easy Allies |OT3| "That sounds like the GameTrailers guy!"
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excuse me. we're upset over anime boobs
The dumb thing about all this is that no-ones judging anyone for what they play in the privacy of their home or whatever. Hell, I've got DOAX3
, but a group of people not wanting to stream it publicly is a whole different conversation.
and wish we had an actually good volleyball game but it has to do....
SprachBrooks
Member
Lol, I can totally understand why they'd be averse to Senren Kagura, but Jesus what a boring-ass alternative they did stream. That card game doesn't elicit any interest from me one bit.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Yeah, for the people who were like "bu-bu-they play teh violent videogaems!!"
Yeah, and they refused to play Hatred, so kindly shut the fuck up.
Glad the EZA guys are sticking to their guns. You wanna leave because they didn't play your game that they are clearly uncomfortable playing, then you don't deserve EZA. Simple as that.
Drop your pledge, unsub, and piss off. Don't need you here. Talking to the people who are dropping pledges or threatening to leave.
Yeah, and they refused to play Hatred, so kindly shut the fuck up.
Glad the EZA guys are sticking to their guns. You wanna leave because they didn't play your game that they are clearly uncomfortable playing, then you don't deserve EZA. Simple as that.
Drop your pledge, unsub, and piss off. Don't need you here. Talking to the people who are dropping pledges or threatening to leave.
Agreed.
Wanna see the first page of the manual/art book that comes with this game? Read everything.
And you want the EZA guys to play this? Fuck outta here.
How do I unread this
Swords would have been on the final poll even if Kagura hadn't been vetoed, so it still may have had the same outcome.
Go back to your hometown
which is ass
N° 2048
Member
This. This nails it.
My partner watches shows while I play PBS in the same room, she doesn't give AF but let's be real I'm not playing that shit anywhere around just anyone.
Diprosalic
Banned
That message...
Is Kenichiro Takaki-san a tensai?
Is Kenichiro Takaki-san a tensai?
certainly not.
Uno Venova
Banned
Imagine caring this much that a group of friends didn't feel like playing that creepy ass game. I would hate to have family members or a girlfriend walk in on that.
Just relax your eyes
N° 2048
Member
Let's make one thing clear, there's nothing wrong with PBS. It's a pervy game and it knows it. I respect it more than say Street Fighter V where every female has a swimsuit option and one of the main females, the soldier, wears a thong and poses carefully to show it.
And it's not like they haven't streamed that kind of game before. They could've made a statement either then or now that they aren't into that.
As for people not into the idea of choosing Ian's game:
a)It's not a commercially available game.
b)It's not a proven game.
c)It's made by one of them. That's a conflict of interest right there.
On top of all of that it's a card game, not what they usually stream nor the best to stream.
And it's not like they haven't streamed that kind of game before. They could've made a statement either then or now that they aren't into that.
As for people not into the idea of choosing Ian's game:
a)It's not a commercially available game.
b)It's not a proven game.
c)It's made by one of them. That's a conflict of interest right there.
On top of all of that it's a card game, not what they usually stream nor the best to stream.
Since Ian announced his Kickstarter I think there's been an underlying excitement from the community (at least a portion of it) to see it played. It was both a "good vibes" choice and one stemming from genuine curiosity. I can definitely see how that stream probably isn't going to draw in much new viewership, but the stream itself was pretty entertaining. I think it was a good opportunity for them to try a camera setup for playing a card game on stream, which will only make them better prepared for future streams. There are always going to be weeks where no matter what game they choose a portion of the viewership will not be interested, so I can't really view this any differently. I still think, especially as we enter this unending blitz of high-profile new releases, that the game selection committee will predominantly choose 1) videogames, 2) new releases, 3) stream-friendly choices - but hey, we will see! Everything gets refined over time and I'm sure this process will be no different.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Pretty much. No issue with the game existing and people playing and enjoying it. But that and being upset EZA didnt want to publicly stream it is totally different.
I don't get the outrage over PBS, They've played DOAX3 on a group stream before and I don't think there's anything more painful to watch on the channel(Well, maybe the Devolver e3 stream), with all the long, awkward silences and rushing through everything else to get to the casino.
uomoartificiale
Member
I think that even if they put up a vote for a game to play, there's no obligation for them to stick with it if they are not cool with that game, whatever is the reason. "Play what you wanna play" works both way.
Primethius
Banned
Yes?
One would hope that most people would find a game featuring underage girls in such a way somewhat creepy.
I was browsing this thread on my phone, and as I got to this post a coworker walked behind me. I almost jumped out of my seat.
I found it a little hard to follow what actions everyone was taking at first, but I enjoyed the banter and competitiveness a lot.
I don't see how it's a conflict of interest when the game was suggested and voted for by patrons, and not the Allies themselves. It's not like Ian rigged the system so he could shill his card game.
Secondly, okay you respect the game for being upfront about what it is, but you can at least see why other people might feel uncomfortable with a game that sexualises young highschool girls, especially streaming that as a group, right?
And this isn't directed to you, but I honestly don't understand why someone would want to watch people/a person playing something that they're uncomfortable with, just because you happen to like the game. I certainly don't think my personal entertainment comes before other people's comfort and feelings. I think it demonstrates a really selfish mindset to think that Jones was being 'snide' and showing a lack of love and respect because he politely stated that they weren't comfortable streaming that game. I don't know how he could have gotten that point across more politely without being clear about their right to veto a game.
Already happened, Ian played Daddy Simulator during a Easy Update.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Feels like they've ruined the Group Stream Night by giving power to a group of deeply boring and often a bit too weird memey people: the patrons, lol. The system is broken as well since theres no easy way to check and accumulate whats been suggested. Now its a total crapshoot every week and newer games (more popular streams) may be entirely skipped. Ian's boring card game over every videogame thats been released this month? Over the sum total of videogames they've never played? OKAY!
EZA feels like its begun to fray a bit and they don't appear to know where they're going. The "we don't know how advertising works" is not an acceptable position for 9 media people to have. All it takes is someone to own it and go away for a weekend and get the skinny. Still no solution to Best Of videos produced on their end is wilfully ignorant. Hats off to farsir for doing more for the brand than they're prepared to.
Basically the Patreon seems like it isn't going to grow much further without a big shake up on the content they produce. I have no idea what this Community Showcase thing is even still. Is it for stuff made... about the Allies? That seems like a one way ticket to cringe fest. Or can Patreons just... show off their non EZA related creative works? Going back to the Best Of videos, its mad they're going to dedicate an entire Patreon slot to this and a presumably long monthly stream but not actually produce content to advertise themselves. Its dumbfounding.
Special Ian bonus points for him saying "I didn't even know we were playing this" because he doesn't bother with other peoples content and important Patreon posts. Team player.
EZA feels like its begun to fray a bit and they don't appear to know where they're going. The "we don't know how advertising works" is not an acceptable position for 9 media people to have. All it takes is someone to own it and go away for a weekend and get the skinny. Still no solution to Best Of videos produced on their end is wilfully ignorant. Hats off to farsir for doing more for the brand than they're prepared to.
Basically the Patreon seems like it isn't going to grow much further without a big shake up on the content they produce. I have no idea what this Community Showcase thing is even still. Is it for stuff made... about the Allies? That seems like a one way ticket to cringe fest. Or can Patreons just... show off their non EZA related creative works? Going back to the Best Of videos, its mad they're going to dedicate an entire Patreon slot to this and a presumably long monthly stream but not actually produce content to advertise themselves. Its dumbfounding.
So, I watched a trailer for this game (NSFW...) to see what all the fuss is about. How can some people not understand why they vetoed this game, lmao. 3:05 - 3:45, really?
People can really enjoy what they want, but how can you seriously expect EZA to stream this.
People can really enjoy what they want, but how can you seriously expect EZA to stream this.
Uno Venova
Banned
lol, what a fucking joke these complainers are
Also, can people please not engage Pie anymore.
Which is very different from actually playing it. It's like when they put DOAX3 on and it was awkward until they got into the casino.
TheCowboyPoet
Member
You honestly think there's nothing wrong with a game that objectifies 15 year old girls????????
sleepwalkcapsules
Member
People don't actually want to watch Peach Beach Splash being played. They were on a powertrip to strong-arm the allies into being embarrassed.
That's all that was happening.
I fear for the future of group streams with the committee selections. I hope its participation on the pool is reduced to 1 or 2 games. Its bias to nostalgia, controversy and tabletop doesn't gives me much hope for future selections...
That's all that was happening.
I fear for the future of group streams with the committee selections. I hope its participation on the pool is reduced to 1 or 2 games. Its bias to nostalgia, controversy and tabletop doesn't gives me much hope for future selections...
Mikey Jr.
Member
I'll be honest, I don't really like the video game streams too much for one simple reason.
The video of them is way too small. I actively hate it. It is cramming 9 people into a square that should at most be 3 people.
This is my own personal thing though. It is a relief for me when it is full screen. Thats why I like tabletop games, or hall of greats. No small little screens.
sleepwalkcapsules
Member
It's not that I have a problem with tabletop games, I just think it's better if it's a rare stream but I think the committee will persist with this kind of choice every week...
Cracked up at both of these.
We should have a special "Settle It - Senran Kagura Fan Special" with this guy.
There was one comment claiming they were shaming Ben by not playing it. Seriously.
I think the best way to balance the group stream in the future would be to bump the choice to 5 candidates: The top 3 from the community (via some means other than the commenting system currently) and then 2 picked by Kyle. You don't even need to state which are which, this way you can cover the more random esoteric stuff the community will dredge up, whilst also having the new releases covered. Might even be worth bumping the stream nights to 2 titles?
Mikey Jr.
Member
Well lets see....Let's not jump the gun here already.
My point was if they have a problem with that kind of stuff in principle, they should avoid all games which have that kind of content even if it is a minority part of the game, the game still has that content in it.
Also I dont really, actually have a problem with the fact that they vetoed the game. I believe they should have the right to veto any game they do not think they should stream. I just found the reason the stated for the justification to veto it a bit silly. It should have just been "No one here wants to play this game" and thats justification enough imo.
Stream was pretty fun in the end, irregardless. Dat music.
Anyway, looking forward to todays Tabletop.
I do agree spacing out tabletop streams would be good. Don't wan't them to go away/stop being voted for entirely, though.
The only problem I felt that I had with Swords is the rules/explanations were kind of hard to understand at first, but seeing it being played made it make more sense as it went on.
Edit: Oh no, I forgot about the situation they ended last weeks TTE on. This episode is going to be a doozy.
I'm guessing his point is that the games are worth that much in their own right. Obviously in a market 20 years later that would be a silly price.
Grayfox341
Member
Not sure if throwing my hat in the ring here is good or not, but boy some of the response both in and outside of this thread has been really disappointing.
The number one thing for us is making sure that EZA is welcoming to all. We want everyone to be a part of the community. After we streamed DOA there was a comment from a woman who said "hey, I usually feel welcome at EZA but this made me really uncomfortable." We decided collectively that streaming DOA for a couple of hours was not worth alienating people. It would be one thing if we had a deep love of that game, but we don't. I just thought it would be funny. It wasn't really funny.
When Peach Beach Splash was winning the vote, I played it for a bit to get a sense on whether or not we should stream it. While I personally don't have a problem with overt sexuality ("anime boobs"), that isn't what turned me off. I found that every scene of dialogue was weirdly off-putting. Within minutes, one character calls another a "dumb bitch" and tells her to shut up. A female host is worried about a camera zooming in and seeing her wrinkles. Another character undergoes a test to prove her pervertedness. It was relentless. I said "hey we probably shouldn't stream this" and it was collectively agreed upon. It was a discussion, not an order.
Yes, I gave impressions on the game at E3. I had fun playing it. I genuinely looked forward to checking out more. After playing the full release, I'm personally not into it. I'm not trying to shame people who are. What you do and do not like isn't really the point here. The point is that we're trying to foster a community, one that is actually inclusive and doesn't treat "love and respect" as an empty slogan. As people who put stuff out on the internet, we HAVE to have the right to choose what we do and do not put out there. It is a reflection of us and it's important to care about that reflection. We are not asking everyone to agree with us. Just as we have the right to choose what we do or do not do, you have the choice of whether or not to support us.
Also, to the people saying this is the fault of EZAnime, joking or not, you're not really helping. That's the same sort of generalization that creates these problems in the first place.
The number one thing for us is making sure that EZA is welcoming to all. We want everyone to be a part of the community. After we streamed DOA there was a comment from a woman who said "hey, I usually feel welcome at EZA but this made me really uncomfortable." We decided collectively that streaming DOA for a couple of hours was not worth alienating people. It would be one thing if we had a deep love of that game, but we don't. I just thought it would be funny. It wasn't really funny.
When Peach Beach Splash was winning the vote, I played it for a bit to get a sense on whether or not we should stream it. While I personally don't have a problem with overt sexuality ("anime boobs"), that isn't what turned me off. I found that every scene of dialogue was weirdly off-putting. Within minutes, one character calls another a "dumb bitch" and tells her to shut up. A female host is worried about a camera zooming in and seeing her wrinkles. Another character undergoes a test to prove her pervertedness. It was relentless. I said "hey we probably shouldn't stream this" and it was collectively agreed upon. It was a discussion, not an order.
Yes, I gave impressions on the game at E3. I had fun playing it. I genuinely looked forward to checking out more. After playing the full release, I'm personally not into it. I'm not trying to shame people who are. What you do and do not like isn't really the point here. The point is that we're trying to foster a community, one that is actually inclusive and doesn't treat "love and respect" as an empty slogan. As people who put stuff out on the internet, we HAVE to have the right to choose what we do and do not put out there. It is a reflection of us and it's important to care about that reflection. We are not asking everyone to agree with us. Just as we have the right to choose what we do or do not do, you have the choice of whether or not to support us.
Also, to the people saying this is the fault of EZAnime, joking or not, you're not really helping. That's the same sort of generalization that creates these problems in the first place.
Very well put, Ben, thank you for your insight.
I find it very irritating how many comments are suggesting you are not being "inclusive" to fans of Peach Beach by vetoing the decision.
There is plenty wrong with PBS. The fact that it's sexualizing teenagers and catering to a desensitized audience by further ostracizing many others is wrong enough. You're free to play the game at home and have a laugh at it, just like EZA is free to think it's wrong of them to broadcast it. Even if they don't consider it wrong, them not being comfortable is far, far enough of a reason to veto the game. Common sense was already enough in the first place.
False equivalences aren't really constructive either. Yes SFV is hypocritical and exploitative. It's still, by virtue of its hypocrisy, infinitely less exploitative than PBS. If you need to be explained why, we can have a comparison between Janet Jackon's nip slip and any adult video out there. I'm sure you'll spot the difference.
Again, that's the same false equivalence. They're not uncomfortable with ALL mature contents in games, context, volume, audiences, intent etc... all matter. There is a quantifiable difference between playing a game in which you may or may not possibly encounter a Japanese porn star and "a bunch of barely dressed teenage girls splatooning all around".
And, obviously, all of this. Why anyone thought this was fine or feels like they've got a RIGHT to be upset is lost on me. Patreon is wonderful but it seems to come with a sense of entitlement for some that's just downright frightening.
It's nice to know that your choice was influenced by a desire to be inclusive and welcoming to everyone in the community. That's part of the reason I enjoy watching EZA a lot. I figured that it was a group decision/discussion, but it's nice that that can be put to rest.
This comment strikes me as disingenuous. There is a clear and gaping difference between a game which exists for the purpose of one-sided sexual fantasy versus a game which contains overtly sexual characters among a cast of many other characters (I am not defending some of SFV's costumes, but I am saying they do not make the game unsuitable for group streams).
Mr. Luchador
Member
I sure hope the EZA Crew know how absolutely vile their discord channel is at the moment (Hi everyone in the discord channel who visit this thread so they can cast scorn on those who don't agree with their opinion).
At first I was sympathetic to their issue, understanding that the random veto with no warning was perhaps not right. However they can't grasp WHY it was vetoed at all, and even after explanations are playing the victim card.
Frankly anyone asking others to play a game like that and feeling offended when they don't should sort themselves out. If you want to play those games - fine. But don't expect others to want to play them, or others to look at those games and think they're little more than creepy. The girls are billed as being 15, 16, 17 years old. You want adults to play those games? C'mon now.
Of course since the EZA Discord Server is an echo chamber at the moment with a lot of vocal anime fans in support of the game (one of which is a Server Mod), it's just not a place I want to be in or around. They sit there casting ridicule and scorn on the EZA members themselves (mainly due to the decision), as well as people on neogaf and twitter. That community is supposed to represent the EZA community, no?
I don't feel like it does. Perhaps I joined at the wrong time.
Of course it wouldn't be fair to say it's all members, as it is not. There were some very friendly and nice members who took time to recommend some 'safe' anime I had asked based on liking Dragon Ball and Samurai Jack. So a big thanks to those people (Samurai Champloo is pretty good so far).
At first I was sympathetic to their issue, understanding that the random veto with no warning was perhaps not right. However they can't grasp WHY it was vetoed at all, and even after explanations are playing the victim card.
Frankly anyone asking others to play a game like that and feeling offended when they don't should sort themselves out. If you want to play those games - fine. But don't expect others to want to play them, or others to look at those games and think they're little more than creepy. The girls are billed as being 15, 16, 17 years old. You want adults to play those games? C'mon now.
Of course since the EZA Discord Server is an echo chamber at the moment with a lot of vocal anime fans in support of the game (one of which is a Server Mod), it's just not a place I want to be in or around. They sit there casting ridicule and scorn on the EZA members themselves (mainly due to the decision), as well as people on neogaf and twitter. That community is supposed to represent the EZA community, no?
I don't feel like it does. Perhaps I joined at the wrong time.
Of course it wouldn't be fair to say it's all members, as it is not. There were some very friendly and nice members who took time to recommend some 'safe' anime I had asked based on liking Dragon Ball and Samurai Jack. So a big thanks to those people (Samurai Champloo is pretty good so far).