Good response Ben. This is the one of the many reasons why EZA is important to me. You think and speak with consideration for everyone in your audience. Thank you and please keep it up
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Easy Allies |OT3| "That sounds like the GameTrailers guy!"
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Good response Ben. This is the one of the many reasons why EZA is important to me. You think and speak with consideration for everyone in your audience. Thank you and please keep it up
Ultimadrago
Member
That's a fine response, Ben.
I'm in this boat. I have no desire to see PBS streamed (and it doesn't look like a very good game on top of the elements opposed to the Allies' image). However, I completely phased out of the stream itself. I mean, I thought it was neat to show some of Swords when Ian showed the initial Youtube video/Easy Update on it for the Kickstarter.
A whole stream of it though? That was dull for me. I probably would have preferred anything else they had on their video gaming shelf.
Is that so? If anything I'd expect more unanimous support from the decision in Discord or an EZA-positive echo chamber. I've never been in there, so that's simply speculation on my part! It's strange that a decision like this would flip it around. I have no doubts it could have been handled better than Jones' short "Crossing the line" introduction on group stream (maybe a text explanation for Patrons beforehand?), but I can't imagine how it'd offend this much.
I'm in this boat. I have no desire to see PBS streamed (and it doesn't look like a very good game on top of the elements opposed to the Allies' image). However, I completely phased out of the stream itself. I mean, I thought it was neat to show some of Swords when Ian showed the initial Youtube video/Easy Update on it for the Kickstarter.
A whole stream of it though? That was dull for me. I probably would have preferred anything else they had on their video gaming shelf.
Is that so? If anything I'd expect more unanimous support from the decision in Discord or an EZA-positive echo chamber. I've never been in there, so that's simply speculation on my part! It's strange that a decision like this would flip it around. I have no doubts it could have been handled better than Jones' short "Crossing the line" introduction on group stream (maybe a text explanation for Patrons beforehand?), but I can't imagine how it'd offend this much.
I was going to, but it's a tournament and doesn't lend itself well to that. Next week!
I must have misunderstood the post, I thought he was saying the week after the one currently being voted on was going to be the tournament. I agree that's a better regular stream than tournament... Unless the Bracketeering game ends up being a good tournament?
Yeah, because it's this week currently, next weeks stream is the tournament, not the stream after the next one. I know, wording isn't great, but the bold part says tournament suitable games. So this is the vote for the tournament!
Bracketeering could, but yeah, I don't want to burn the game on a tournament as I doubt they'll have the same game twice. Probably best in a situation they're all involved in.
Ha, good reason. Even if they're bad games to play, they can still be fun to watch. I just hope the people wanting custom characters and Defaulte realise that won't happen as it's a tournament.
Mr. Luchador
Member
They believe it singles fans of the game out for ridicule, since the game isn't 'acceptable' (while also at the same time refusing to listen to any reason as to why it might not be deemed 'acceptable' by others). It's all very odd. Again, this is just from a small vocal part of the community, but they're all very active within the discord server.
Two good wholesome games.
Something like Singstar as well.
Yup. They could always make the exception, or download people off the Community Creations thing (if 2K18 even has that still).
Defaulte for the crunch, though.
shieeet PSASBR would be a GOAT tournament
The comments along the lines of Is this how you treat a fanbase that supports you? just reek of entitlement. You dont support an outfit to control what they do, you support them so they can do more of what they want to do.
Additionally, if hundreds of hours of content that you have supported is to be outweighed by two hours of anime titties that you didnt get to see, you should probably ask yourself where your emotions are really coming from.
Additionally, if hundreds of hours of content that you have supported is to be outweighed by two hours of anime titties that you didnt get to see, you should probably ask yourself where your emotions are really coming from.
Shadow2222
Member
Ben, I recently pledged to the Patreon, and wish I had done it sooner, as I fell in love with Tabletop Escapades and Fiasconauts (and the other content, too). The group never fails to make me laugh or have a good discussion during the podcast.
I completely agree with your decision to not play that game.
I completely agree with your decision to not play that game.
Okay guys, you've been playing D&D for years now. It's time to fully fill out your character sheets and learn the rules.
#jokingbutalsonotjoking
Also, maps and miniatures would help you guys all be on the same page about your character's surroundings. Even if we the viewers don't see it, as long as the players get that info it would make things go smoother. As it stands you're having too many misunderstandings which is making forward progress really difficult.
#jokingbutalsonotjoking
Also, maps and miniatures would help you guys all be on the same page about your character's surroundings. Even if we the viewers don't see it, as long as the players get that info it would make things go smoother. As it stands you're having too many misunderstandings which is making forward progress really difficult.
I see what you are saying but I don't think you are thinking it through fully. I really enjoy the Yakuza series, but I'm also not oblivious to how misogynistic it can be at times. From the mini-games themselves, to how main cast members will treat women, and how the majority of the time they are used as objects to advance the plot, it can be pretty cruddy. But that's not to say there isn't any value to the story or the characters being presented. There is a lot of great stuff in there, and there are also some great women characters too. I think for most, the good heavily outweighs the bad in the Yakuza series.
At the end of the day, it's okay to like problematic media, but it's very important to understand why and how it's problematic. In Senran Kagura's case, I"ll never touch it because it's fucking gross on a lot of levels.
uomoartificiale
Member
Bravo! Fuck*n bravo Ben.
Okay guys, you've been playing D&D for years now. It's time to fully fill out your character sheets and learn the rules.
#jokingbutalsonotjoking
Real D&D!
The last thing I consciously remember is someone stabbing an aligator in the eye or something
LiquidSolid
Member
Please no. Brad and Huber would dominate yet again and WWE 2K18 is a genuinely bad game.
I voted for Nidhogg, Fire Pro Wrestling, Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime and Singstar (which would be fucking hilarious). I doubt any of them have a chance of winning though.
As for the creeps throwing tantrums over Senran Kagura... Wow. And here I was thinking that was a troll vote. But TBH, I don't really think they're worth the time that's been spent complaining about them in this thread. They're a very vocal minority, best left ignored.
The last thing I consciously remember is someone stabbing an aligator in the eye or something
Lmao I think that's about where I left off too.
It doesn't matter who chose it. When your job is to cover games covering your own game is iffy at best.
And I wasn't expecting them to play PBS nor wanted them to do so.
Pretty sure they're 18 in the US release
But I meant H games in general. I don't know the specifics about PBS.
Most pornography out there is exploitative. Not sure what your point is?
It doesn't matter who chose it. When your job is to cover games covering your own game is iffy at best.
And I wasn't expecting them to play PBS nor wanted them to do so.
Pretty sure they're 18 in the US release
But I meant H games in general. I don't know the specifics about PBS.
Most pornography out there is exploitative. Not sure what your point is?
but they cover and review video games? i don't think i've ever seen them review or cover card games.
It doesn't matter who chose it. When your job is to cover games covering your own game is iffy at best.
And I wasn't expecting them to play PBS nor wanted them to do so.
Pretty sure they're 18 in the US release
But I meant H games in general. I don't know the specifics about PBS.
Most pornography out there is exploitative. Not sure what your point is?
I don't agree with this at all. They shouldn't REVIEW Swords, of course, but what's wrong with streaming it? If any of them made a video game (as Ian has) I would want them to stream that too.
Based on previous things you've said about the group streams it seems like you view the streams as them basically advertising games to let people know if they should buy them or not, and I really don't think the allies or most of the audience view it that way. My only objective when I tune into a game stream is to be entertained, I'm not looking to decide what to purchase based on what they play.
They've played card games before. And this is their biggest stream where they would normally cover video games.
I think you would have a point if they were trying to objectively review the game, but I don't see any issue with them playing it at the viewers' request. Especially since they made it abundantly clear that Swords is Ian's product. What is iffy about that?
so is the problem that they're breaching some ethical line (they're not) or that they're not playing video games (they've played the pokemon TCG on a tuesday too)
Mr. Luchador
Member
No don't review your own game, but I mean at the same time giving honest feedback to Ian as friends is what friends would do. Tough call.
where has anyone suggested that they review it?
Scrotum Phillips
Member
Hindsight is 20/20 and yada yada yadaa...but this is the least surprising "controversy" and I'm surprised they didn't see this coming. Thousands of potential people voting on things with no restrictions with upwards of 100+ options is a recipe for disaster. "Joke" games and other riffraff is extremely likely to rise to the top if there are that many options. Not that I'm against either of these, but this is why Pitbull was sent to Alaska and Boaty McBoatface are things that have happened.
Not having a disclaimer that they're able to veto was obviously not the smartest move in hindsight either. Trust me, I didn't want them to play that game either, but a Kickstarted card game from one of them being the replacement was probably the worst thing they could have done to not "fan the flames." This is NOTHING against Ian, and I think Swords looks jolly as hell, just replacing the "winner" with a game that financially benefits one of them looks very much "backdoor shady deals" to some of their audience, which I know wasn't the intent, but still some people are going to run with that.
My suggestion going forward - Kyle/group still nominate 3-5 games and then still have a group nominating process where then Kyle/group will pick 3-5 games from Patreon to put along with the other games so we choose from 6-10ish options. Doesn't have to automatically be highest vote getters, as watching them play something they don't want to is a bad idea as well, but serves as more of a brainstorming process. Nothing against the rest of the EZA community, but picking from the winners from the fan choice exclusively really doesn't excite me all that much and I'd prefer if there were other options as well.
Not having a disclaimer that they're able to veto was obviously not the smartest move in hindsight either. Trust me, I didn't want them to play that game either, but a Kickstarted card game from one of them being the replacement was probably the worst thing they could have done to not "fan the flames." This is NOTHING against Ian, and I think Swords looks jolly as hell, just replacing the "winner" with a game that financially benefits one of them looks very much "backdoor shady deals" to some of their audience, which I know wasn't the intent, but still some people are going to run with that.
My suggestion going forward - Kyle/group still nominate 3-5 games and then still have a group nominating process where then Kyle/group will pick 3-5 games from Patreon to put along with the other games so we choose from 6-10ish options. Doesn't have to automatically be highest vote getters, as watching them play something they don't want to is a bad idea as well, but serves as more of a brainstorming process. Nothing against the rest of the EZA community, but picking from the winners from the fan choice exclusively really doesn't excite me all that much and I'd prefer if there were other options as well.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Oh hi MasterAlucrid.
Bloodworth
Member
That's not what happened though. Swords was nominated by the community along with Senran Kagura. Senran Kagura was vetoed before the poll was posted. Swords went up against the next two games that were nominated, and Swords won.
LiquidSolid
Member
Except Swords didn't replace anything, it came third (75 likes) and was always going to be in the poll. Secret Hitler was the one that came fourth (72 likes) and "replaced" Senran Kagura in the poll (then lost anyway).
They played it before the Kickstarter even launched, so I'm sure they did.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Ja. I don't mind a stream of it to give it exposure either. I'll have to watch the stream later. Tabletop Escapades for me now.
Mikey Jr.
Member
FACTS:
1. Swords had a high amount of hearts. Wasn't introduced into the comment section by anyone at EZA.
2. Swords won the Patreon vote.
Primethius
Banned
I apologise for criticizing Nintendo picks. We should go back to Kyle's choices.
He was only saving us from ourselves.
He was only saving us from ourselves.
Time for a months worth of SMO Group streams when it releases.
Scrotum Phillips
Member
Wait, I must have worded what I said poorly, because I definitely agree with both of you and I'm definitely not alleging anything fishy actually went on here.
I'm just saying obviously there's a portion of the community that voted for Senran Kagura and no matter which game won, that game would be hated on more than usual. That it was a Kickstarted game from one of the Allies that won after some rules had been changed (for the better!), just made that response more vitriolic. Some people love to run with conspiracy theories and create controversies, and that is what is going on here.
Let me be clear, I obviously know this was on the up-and-up and I voted for Swords, it's just glaringly obvious that a portion of the EZA community isn't buying that for whatever reason today.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Top picks right now
PS Stars Battle Royale
Towerfall
WWE 2K18
Gangbeasts
Jackbox
Pokemon Stadium 2
So yeah, lets go back to Fifa and horse racing.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Nooo, more SingStar hearts, please!
Thankyou so much for throwing your hat in the ring. As others have said this sort of response is why I love the Allies so much. You handled Charlottesville and the PDP scandal with maturity and grace, and the same goes for this situation.
I posted a rant in the youtube comments with a similar message but a little more heated (it's youtube after all), it's encouraging to see we're on the same page.
It's also funny to see that it was you who checked out the game and ultimately made the decision to pass. A lot of people are suggesting the other allies bullied you into not playing it. Ridiculous of course.
Also interesting/dismaying to hear that the games issues don't end with the objectification, some of those lines and characters sound atrocious.
Thanks again.
Yeah I know, can you imagine the comments if they played this as the group stream?
Mr. Luchador
Member
Watching the Sword stream now. Man the rules never end, people are zoning out haha