MontyBrown
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There are some questionable placing (BOTW at number 1 is crazy) but the list is indeed full of great stuff.
I'm struggling to even finish Breath of the Wild.
no Chrono Trigger or Punch Out.
Haven't played the Lunar games. Most of the SNES RPGs (and even the PS1 ones by extention) I have played are mostly poorly written games with repetitive battle systems that are saved mostly by visuals (for the SNES games anyway) and music.
Of the bulk that I played the only one I really find holds up is Chrono Trigger because its story doesn't take itself seriously enough for weaker written parts to really matter. The setting, music and graphics carry it and I think the cast is really charming in part because they aren't aiming to be "teh drama" or "teh artificial depth in our pretentious political drama". The gameplay is pretty simple standard ATB but it's not a long game and there is normally enough mixup to make it fine for what is really only like a 20 hour game.
I honestly don't think the JRPGs of the 4th and 5th gen are all that good. I don't mind seeing them excluded.
The game missing that bugs me is Yoshi's Island. God tier and hasn't aged at all.
FWIW if Bloodborne and what not are going to get criticized for poor stories than BoTW is sure as hell on the burner too. Game is massively overrated at this point. I mean, pick it as number one or what have you because something needs to be number one, but to me that just seems a bit "of the moment" for my tastes. I know it's hard to choose a number one game though.
Anyway, there are a lot of ways Zelda could improve and actually take that spot in legit fashion. Their storytelling leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
GTA V at #3 pretty much invalidates the whole thing by itself. That game is fucking boring.
ITT Neith really cares about stories
I've never seen anyone on this board, in reviews or in real life pretend that BOTW's story is any sort of stellar or even great, so how can the story be overrated?
It created the best open world I've ever been in, and i played a lot of stuff.
Just finish it then? What's keeping you from just going to the castle?
There is no pay out.
The ending is 2mins of talking with no conclusion.
I'm ok with omitting some stuff, but putting The Last of Us in there is embarrassing.
But lists are gonna list.
How is Super Mario Bros 3 not on this list?
Yes!1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2. Dark Souls
instead of3. Yoshi's Island
It is a way better game.16. Super Mario World
Metroid Prime should be top 10. Also Super Mario Galaxy > SMG2.Why is Metroid Prime #72??
Has nothing to do with defending its writing, which has no place whatsoever in any world where good writing exists. Souls games are not good writing, and if this is what people think good writing is well IDK what to tell you. You are wrong.
I don't think anyone is asking for a traditional plot. But they can do better than random NPCs placed in random places that tell you random shit. There is no coherence to any of the storytelling. OMG an item links this character and that character told me something that links this other character!
Let's IMAGINE what could happen here! Because the game cannot bother with even the most minimal levels of deep characterization, let's just imagine what it would be like for everything to have even the slightest sense of realism!
The Souls demographic thinks these games are perfect. I and many others disagree with this notion. It is what it is. No way in hell 3 Souls games make my top 100. Dark Souls will get a top 20 mention, and a possible Demon's Souls remaster might sneak in the top 30 as well. But nothing else so far. Just started Scholar, and I am liking its characters better than Bloodborne so far.
I mean at least they have SOME sense of being actual characters in a fantasy. Bloodborne is just absurdist with minimal characterization taken to the extreme.
I disagree that From are masters of world building. Their world PALES in comparison to what The Witcher 3 does with its world. It's not even close. From just gets excused by fanboys. Item descriptions isn't a replacement for characterization and proper world building. I never have given on crap about anything that actually happens in any Souls game to date.
That does not mean I want face to face talking in From games every 5 minutes. Far from it.
I'd say though that Demon's Souls and Dark Souls came the closest to bringing me into their worlds. I thought the lore and some of the NPCs were pretty good, and they fit into their world well.
Let's not get me wrong here. Dark Souls is in my top 20 games of all time, and a DeS remaster might sneak up there too. So don't go on this tirade like I hate these games or something. Don't misconstrue my constructive criticism for some fanboy BS.
Horizon at 24 is bold.
I hate these lists.
Pointless, they prove nothing about anything.
The worst thing about every greatest games list thread and game of the year list thread is all the people who doesn't seem to understand that these are subjective lists and that other people like other games then them.
"Game X is above my favourite game! How dare they! I didn't like it and that means no one else is allowed to like it either, and if they do like it more then my favourite game then that can only mean that they put it there for some other reason then they actually liking it enough to put it in that spot. Also game X killed my dog"
That's how I imagine the thought proccess went before some of the posts in here.
There is nothing wrong with having different opinions on what games are good or not, and what would make up your top 100 list. But some of you are taking this way to personal. There's nothing embarrassing with this list except for some of the responses to it.
No this is the actual list. Everyone adjust your tastes, this is the list we're going with.I hate these lists.
Pointless, they prove nothing about anything.
It deserves it.
Well, there would be no discussion if people were not going to comment on what they disagree with or agree with. The whole point of making a list is for people to talk about it. I agree on the part about embarrassing.... those posts are ridiculous.
But the whole point of these lists to me is to discuss what you dislike. In a reasonable way. I still love Bloodborne and BotW, but I can constructively criticize what they do wrong in my eyes, hope for better, and also say where I feel they should be ranked.
For me BotW is much higher than Bloodborne, which I see as a more redundant but great iteration in a series of very samey games.
BotW is venturing out more but still seems stuck in the old mediocre story mold of certain games.
It's a way better game than Skyrim, and that game seems to always get a free pass on these lists.
Trials Fusion ahead of Katamari Damacy is the biggest travesty.
I don't think Horizon comes close to being as good as Skyrim
Like I said, embarrassing. No one will remember Horizon as anything other than another open world game 5 years from now.
Bleed 2 might be a top 100 game actually. That game is real solid.
A lot of games on the list ahead of Katamari Damacy is a travesty. : p
Trials Fusion ahead of Katamari Damacy is the biggest travesty.
I don't think Horizon comes close to being as good as Skyrim
Like I said, embarrassing. No one will remember Horizon as anything other than another open world game 5 years from now.