EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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BruceLeeRoy
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I'm assuming you heard this argument from another poster ages ago and didn't actually look into it yourself so its not completely your fault that you have no understanding of what led to the success of the previous consoles but for your own sake and so people take you seriously you need to drop the power argument. It does nothing for you.
1600x900 at 20 FPS is a gigantic difference man. You'd have to be blind not to notice this. It doesn't get much worse than that or if it does than fuck all Xbone is screwed with the pretty.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
That opens them up to having competitors (Both 1st and 3rd party) putting out a significantly superior product to theirs.
The line they would need to walk would be narrow, otherwise they will make their own product look inferior to the competition.
More likely we will see content parity (textures, models, most effects), with slight differences coming down to maybe dynamic / sub-HD resolutions or slight FPS drops on Xbox One vs full 1080p and locked framerate on PS4.
That's certainly my expectation.
BruiserBear
Banned
It would be one thing if Edge were the only source saying this stuff. The problem for people like you is there are lots of people saying this stuff. Trying to discredit one of them isn't going to help. Sorry.
Actually thought the article was rather charitable to the Xbox - with the vague political/driver/'cloud' citations - if the kind of upfront performance difference in the first paragraph is true.
I mean devs would have to spend time/money bringing down the PS4 version and that's at least as uneconomical as out-of-the-way exploitation of more power. And this generation already showed us what can be an acceptable level of 'parity' for developers.
I mean devs would have to spend time/money bringing down the PS4 version and that's at least as uneconomical as out-of-the-way exploitation of more power. And this generation already showed us what can be an acceptable level of 'parity' for developers.
BruiserBear
Banned
This right here.
3 people taking 6 months to port code written for the PC version by a totally separate development team is far too long. Clearly the PS4 is as difficult to code for as the PS3. Pre-order cancelled.
Canis lupus
Member
I'll probably get crap for this, but when your publication does things like this, that doesn't exactly make you a trustworthy source for this kind of information.
I won't go so far as to suggest that they're being paid, because that's a mighty big accusation to make, but you can't exactly blame anybody for questioning their credibility and motives, if he was even being serious, that is.
Edge is paid by Sony:
No it was after the 180.
No tub for you then. Do you really want to give up your new tub?
Nicktendo86
Member
Jesus, what a fuck up by MS. $100 for an inferior piece of hardware? No thanks.
travisbickle
Member
Hardly. It was one issue specifically stating "right now" the ps4 is the only choice. Edge have in the past had multiple issues about specific consoles and they will have in the future.
Portugeezer
Member
Forza 5 running at 60fps is great, but the framerate of different exclusive games is not indicative of whatever power difference may/may not exist.
LOL
Back on topic the power difference is definitely there and pretty obvious but the example given (30fps @1080p versus 20fps @900p) is showing a BIG gap...didn't expect such big differences to be honest.
This holiday season will be very interesting.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
And this is why I've said all along that third party games will look near identical. Not because of the power of the system, but because I don't trust third-party devs to do the work. I mean, they are even admitting as much right here.
Sure, but that'll be when they've actually got a controversy to milk. Until the public has direct access to these multiplat games, there won't be any proper comparisons; that was my only point.
I can see that argument too. What also might help is 3rd parties competing with each other. For example if Activision decided to enforce parity between versions on Call of Duty they would risk being shown up by their competitors on PS4. And if the PS4 really does outsell the xbox significantly which does seem like a strong possibility then that could make all the difference. Nevertheless, this article makes me believe that we won't see large disparity between version at launch.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Shocking news #1 - the CPU update isn't anything special.
Shocking news #2 - having just one pool of fast memory is easier to use than two pools of memory, one small and fast and another big and "slow" one.
Shocking news #3 - the gpu is less powerful.
Shocking news #2 - having just one pool of fast memory is easier to use than two pools of memory, one small and fast and another big and "slow" one.
Shocking news #3 - the gpu is less powerful.
I'm not here to badmouth Forza but I really want to actually see it running at 60FPS. Something is going to give imo. The system doesn't have the power to maintain that framerate and not cut some huge corners.
Chobel
Member
Do you know they retracted that http://www.edge-online.com/features/ps4-vs-xbox-one-the-state-of-play/
EDGE said:
Yet games like Uncharted have some of the best latency this gen.
If they do it and first and second party show them up for it it could be an even more costly side to take.
I'll probably get crap for this, but when your publication does things like this, that doesn't exactly make you a trustworthy source for this kind of information.
You tell me, AT THAT TIME BEFORE MS' 180, could anyone but an MS fanboy really, honestly disagree with that assertion?
Many people were saying this after Sony's smoke and mirrors at TGS 2005.
I feel like a broken record, if the difference was truly that large, Sony would be shouting it from the rooftops and the first-party launch games, rushed or not, would blow the X1 first-party launch games out of the water.
That is just not the case so far.
McHuj
Member
Where did I say it would be noticeable?
I said little as in I expected the difference to be much bigger for not optimized code.
googleplex
Member
Yes, at launch the $100 price difference between the PS4 and Xbone will be a bigger factor when it comes ones to sales then the power advantage.
Unfortunately for Microsoft, the PS4 is also in a better position to reduce the manufacturering cost much quicker over the course of the generation then Microsoft is. Given the simpler nature of the chip design. So not only could the PS4 be cheaper at launch, but Sony could maintain their price advantage or even increase it over the next 5 years.
Unfortunately for Microsoft, the PS4 is also in a better position to reduce the manufacturering cost much quicker over the course of the generation then Microsoft is. Given the simpler nature of the chip design. So not only could the PS4 be cheaper at launch, but Sony could maintain their price advantage or even increase it over the next 5 years.
No. But that was released AFTER the 180.
False equivalency again.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Speccing down for "political reasons" isn't realistic, because it puts multi-plat devs at a distinct disadvantage to single-plat/first-parties on both sides.
Obviously if you are developing just for the stronger platform you have an open goal to shoot for well above what is considered the norm, but by the same token if you are just working on the "weaker" system, you have the luxury of being able to tailor to the best features and tech of that platform, again giving you a leg-up performance wise against multi-plat competition.
Regardless, the platform with the most performance headroom should always come out on top, as the weaker system will always be likely to "bump the ceiling" (intermittently fail to maintain target frame-rate) more often than the stronger one.
Obviously if you are developing just for the stronger platform you have an open goal to shoot for well above what is considered the norm, but by the same token if you are just working on the "weaker" system, you have the luxury of being able to tailor to the best features and tech of that platform, again giving you a leg-up performance wise against multi-plat competition.
Regardless, the platform with the most performance headroom should always come out on top, as the weaker system will always be likely to "bump the ceiling" (intermittently fail to maintain target frame-rate) more often than the stronger one.
We've seen it running at 60fps already. And how are you such an expert on what the Xbox One can and cant do? :/
Anyways, the PS4 is a fair bit more powerful, I think we know this already. Why is it still being discussed?
Your the one with the power arguement, which has has no historical basis. Games led to the success of previous consoles and will for next gen too,its not rocket science.
They're quoting developers working on both consoles.
I love it.
This, and also such change is trivial compared to other ways (less effect, worse textures etc.) to bring performance to par
*if you live in one of the 7/8 elite countries with it's native language supported, that is.
Nicktendo86
Member
Sweet jesus, and of course MS is gimped as they have to pack a kinect with each console. Would love to pick up a PS4 in a year's time for £250. Make is happen Sony!
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Why? Because they're writing positive articles about the more powerful console? Jesus
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
The PS3 was supposed to be significantly more powerful than the 360, wasn't it? I can't recall the console wars numbers game. Was it kind of like this? PS3 whatever% faster?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I think what Mark Cerny said about less time to triangle is absolutely true when you read what devs are saying. It sounds to me like the ease of development being afforded on PS4 is going to give devs more time to optimize and code the PS4 versions of games much better than Xbone. This is still ignoring the fact that PS4 is more powerful but it's very good pleasing to read how easy it is to get things working on PS4. This is not news though as I've heard things like this since January of this year from behind the scenes.
The article isn't entirely dismissive of Xbone but that doesn't change the facts and banging of the same drum when describing the disparity between the lesser console vs the more powerful and efficient PS4.
I don't think past consoles will have any bearing on what will transpire between these two platforms.
For some reason this makes me laugh.
Yes, this is coming up more and more in the conversation. When you basically concede or try to side step then you point out to the games do more for you or Xbone comes with a camera or you resort to comments like the one you quoted.
No it wasn't. Check your facts. Cover was leaked just before or at the same time as ONE of the 180s, not all of them. You can't just change your entire magazine cover on a dime...
mangochutney
Member
3rd parties would all be in the same boat, though. The differences would differ from engine to engine, game to game of course, but there'll still be a difference.
Only 1st party would be able to turn up with something tremendously better than a multi-plat that has taken the easy, agnostic route.