EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

SPE said:
It was only recently that I discovered that some people hold a massive grudge towards Dick Bedwetter. It boggles my mind. My preferred console this gen has been the PS3 over the 360, but I've never read a DF face/off that I felt was unjust. Some of his points are subjective, most of them objective.

The fact that his FF13 face off is given up as evidence of his rampant bias is ludicrous. Not only is the article non-stop in favour of the PS3 version, but his comments around how S-E haven't made use of the 360's eDRAM is just a factual point. He is not bellaching that his beloved 360 didn't get the best version, but that S-E didn't use the main hardware advantage the 360 has over the PS3.
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Well the same can be said about devs not using the PS3 hardware (SPE ) early on but i don't think i read a face off with him talking about that .
Still i had no problem with him until he stared doing next gen specs face off where it was rather easy to see bias in his writing and no fact checking .
 
SPE said:
It was only recently that I discovered that some people hold a massive grudge towards Dick Bedwetter. It boggles my mind. My preferred console this gen has been the PS3 over the 360, but I've never read a DF face/off that I felt was unjust. Some of his points are subjective, most of them objective.

The fact that his FF13 face off is given up as evidence of his rampant bias is ludicrous. Not only is the article non-stop in favour of the PS3 version, but his comments around how S-E haven't made use of the 360's eDRAM is just a factual point. He is not bellaching that his beloved 360 didn't get the best version, but that S-E didn't use the main hardware advantage the 360 has over the PS3.
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So why isn't he making the same factual point about every single PS3 game where the xbox is better not leveraging the Cell effectively? Why did it take so long to get audio even mentioned? and even then only in a table, it's never discussed.

Another point he complains about is the quality of pre rendered cutscenes on the 360 version, It wasn't Square-Enix who went with DVD on the console.
 
So are there still people that think the X1 is even comparable to the PS4:??? 50% more power will show in games whether that be multiplat or not.... it will show. What is the argument that it wont?
 
Skeff said:
So why isn't he making the same factual point about every single PS3 game where the xbox is better not leveraging the Cell effectively? Why did it take so long to get audio even mentioned? and even then only in a table, it's never discussed.

Another point he complains about is the quality of pre rendered cutscenes on the 360 version, It wasn't Square-Enix who went with DVD on the console.
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The point was the cutscenes were poorly compressed. They got a constant level of bandwidth regardless of the amount of action.

Also not every game better on the Xbox could be the same on PS3. The Cell can't make up for all the deficiencies of the RAM and GPU.
 
TheExecutive said:
So are there still people that think the X1 is even comparable to the PS4:??? 50% more power will show in games whether that be multiplat or not.... it will show. What is the argument that it wont?
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That additional CUs have inherent inefficiencies....for some reason.
 
also the available memory will always lead to better texture loading. It will always lead to better popin and easier to load textures. Faster memory will lead to less problems... is anyone disputing this?
 
NBtoaster said:
The point was the cutscenes were poorly compressed. They got a constant level of bandwidth regardless of the amount of action.

Also not every game better on the Xbox could be the same on PS3. The Cell can't make up for all the deficiencies of the RAM and GPU.
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First point about the cutscenes, they only had to be compressed because of the DVD, it was another limitation of the xb360 which wasn't handled correctly by Square Enix.

Second point, your right, some games would have struggled, but GTAV certainly didn't and I can't think of many more demanding multiplatform games to be honest considering the level of graphics and the open world nature.

The whole comparison came off as a bitchy whine fest, but even so the more important aspects are the terrible articles he has been coming out with since the console reveals.

He posted about the OS having a 3.5gb reserve, then in the actual article pointed out it was only a 3gb reserve because of the flexi ram, but kept the 3.5gb reserved headline, not to mention Developers came out and pointed out the article was factually incorrect. and I wont even bother with the comparison thread of GPU's.
 
TheExecutive said:
So are there still people that think the X1 is even comparable to the PS4:??? 50% more power will show in games whether that be multiplat or not.... it will show. What is the argument that it wont?
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Infinite power of the cloud
SHARP GFLOPS
CPU boost
Latency
CU not scaling linearly

Have I missed something?
 
Sword Of Doom said:
I don't think the Edge article was comparing how the games are running. If I remember correctly the guy basically said Dead Rising looks like a more interesting/fun game
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Shooting zombies with guns is more fun/interesting than shooting FIRE and NEON and God knows what else from your fingers?!? I:SS is a day-one for me.
 
TheExecutive said:
So are there still people that think the X1 is even comparable to the PS4:??? 50% more power will show in games whether that be multiplat or not.... it will show. What is the argument that it wont?
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The argument is that you have a 1 million fillion horsepower Corvette vs a 600 horsepower Porsche but the Porsche will win because of "balance" yo. Even though a more apt comparison would be to a stock Mustang 5.0 Coyote pushing 420hp through Getrag MT82 jank vs a Mustang 5.0 Coyote with a stage 1 Roush supercharger pushing 575hp through a Tremec T56 Magnum. Sure the stock MT82 tranny has a taller 1st and 2nd gear but the semi-remote shifter will fuck you thanks to binding linkage under a load (let's just call this esram) whilst you can row gears all day in the Tremec without issues and won't break nearly as quick thanks to a 700 lb-ft torque rating (GDDR5)

Get it? Same car. One has a bit more power and a smoother trans while the other has less power but will fuck you with its stock tranny.

Man... Fuck the MT82. Crap trans :(
 
Jack_AG said:
The argument is that you have a 1 million fillion horsepower Corvette vs a 600 horsepower Porsche but the Porsche will win because of "balance" yo. Even though a more apt comparison would be to a stock Mustang 5.0 Coyote pushing 420hp through Getrag MT82 jank vs a Mustang 5.0 Coyote with a stage 1 Roush supercharger pushing 575hp through a Tremec T56 Magnum. Sure the stock MT82 tranny has a taller 1st and 2nd gear but the semi-remote shifter will fuck you thanks to binding linkage under a load (let's just call this esram) whilst you can row gears all day in the Tremec without issues and won't break nearly as quick thanks to a 700 lb-ft torque rating (GDDR5)

Get it? Same car. One has a bit more power and a smoother trans while the other has less power but will fuck you with its stock tranny.

Man... Fuck the MT82. Crap trans :(
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Dude. Best car analogy I've seen all day/week.

DBZ? :D
 
Jack_AG said:
The argument is that you have a 1 million fillion horsepower Corvette vs a 600 horsepower Porsche but the Porsche will win because of "balance" yo. Even though a more apt comparison would be to a stock Mustang 5.0 Coyote pushing 420hp through Getrag MT82 jank vs a Mustang 5.0 Coyote with a stage 1 Roush supercharger pushing 575hp through a Tremec T56 Magnum. Sure the stock MT82 tranny has a taller 1st and 2nd gear but the semi-remote shifter will fuck you thanks to binding linkage under a load (let's just call this esram) whilst you can row gears all day in the Tremec without issues and won't break nearly as quick thanks to a 700 lb-ft torque rating (GDDR5)

Get it? Same car. One has a bit more power and a smoother trans while the other has less power but will fuck you with its stock tranny.

Man... Fuck the MT82. Crap trans :(
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No I dont get it because your fill doesn't match the ridiculous amount of difference there is between similar architectures. No reason to make ridiculous comparisons
 
RoboPlato said:
PS4 has a 90% advantage IIRC

The Tflop advantage isn't all the PS4 GPU has. The ROPs, texture units, etc are all substantially in PS4's favor.
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Ok- so let's walk through this- if the ps4 has a significantly larger fill rate what would it take for the X1 to have a real world advantage?
 
TheExecutive said:
Ok- so let's walk through this- if the ps4 has a significantly larger fill rate what would it take for the X1 to have a real world advantage?
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All I can come up with is if you take a hammer to the PS4 the xb1 should perform better than it would in a post hammer attack state.
 
TheExecutive said:
Ok- so let's walk through this- if the ps4 has a significantly larger fill rate what would it take for the X1 to have a real world advantage?
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Its not possible because when you evaluate the machines, the ps4 is superior in every single way from a hardware standpoint. The only area in which the xbox one could have an advantage is already nullified by their 3 os'. The cpu on the xbox one has a 9% advantage but unfortunately, the xbox one has 3 os' so yea. The second biggest issue with the xbox one apart from the hardware is the 3 os'. I'm not a fan of the hypervisor + game os + app os. I feel the os is going to seriously limit how far the xbox one can go. I foresee a very short console cycle this time around. 5-6 years max. I can't wait for the next gen. If this pace keeps up, when the ps5 and the xbox two are announced, they should both have a minimum of 10tf and 80 gig of ram. 4k for the win. Lol.
 
Jack_AG said:
The argument is that you have a 1 million fillion horsepower Corvette vs a 600 horsepower Porsche but the Porsche will win because of "balance" yo. Even though a more apt comparison would be to a stock Mustang 5.0 Coyote pushing 420hp through Getrag MT82 jank vs a Mustang 5.0 Coyote with a stage 1 Roush supercharger pushing 575hp through a Tremec T56 Magnum. Sure the stock MT82 tranny has a taller 1st and 2nd gear but the semi-remote shifter will fuck you thanks to binding linkage under a load (let's just call this esram) whilst you can row gears all day in the Tremec without issues and won't break nearly as quick thanks to a 700 lb-ft torque rating (GDDR5)

Get it? Same car. One has a bit more power and a smoother trans while the other has less power but will fuck you with its stock tranny.

Man... Fuck the MT82. Crap trans :(
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Now there's some Petrol-head talk right here. I like it!
 
Jack_AG said:
The argument is that you have a 1 million fillion horsepower Corvette vs a 600 horsepower Porsche but the Porsche will win because of "balance" yo. Even though a more apt comparison would be to a stock Mustang 5.0 Coyote pushing 420hp through Getrag MT82 jank vs a Mustang 5.0 Coyote with a stage 1 Roush supercharger pushing 575hp through a Tremec T56 Magnum. Sure the stock MT82 tranny has a taller 1st and 2nd gear but the semi-remote shifter will fuck you thanks to binding linkage under a load (let's just call this esram) whilst you can row gears all day in the Tremec without issues and won't break nearly as quick thanks to a 700 lb-ft torque rating (GDDR5)

Get it? Same car. One has a bit more power and a smoother trans while the other has less power but will fuck you with its stock tranny.

Man... Fuck the MT82. Crap trans :(
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Greatest pedantic comparison ever!
 
Skeff said:
But if it's still percentage based you'd divide both by 2 and so the ratio and therefore % would remain the same.
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The % would remain the same but the numbers would differ. A 50% difference is huge if you consider a 1,000 difference between 2,000 and 1,000 but much smaller when you consider 1 to 2.
 
Skeff said:
But if it's still percentage based you'd divide both by 2 and so the ratio and therefore % would remain the same.
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OK I see what you are saying now. the theoretical fill rate is not a percentage but a number. Only when you add the comparison do we start seeing a percentage.
 
MrPresident said:
Oh, hey, memes! Because we're 14 years old.
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And your childish insult is real mature. The gif is impressive because of the lighting, not the number of particles. And yes, I'm sure a 1000 dollar graphics card could annihilate it, but we don't care about that, we're comparing consoles. Not sure why you brought Ageia, last time I checked neither console had PPUs.
 
TheExecutive said:
% only matters if comparisons pull different weight. A 1 MB file compared to a 2MB file is a 100% but when you compare a 1000MB file to a 2000MB file there is only a 100% difference but the amount of data can be completely different.
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Oh, thanks. I forgot how percentages work. Still don't see the relevance.

For post below:
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TheExecutive said:
% only matters if comparisons pull different weight. A 1 MB file compared to a 2MB file is a 100% but when you compare a 1000MB file to a 2000MB file there is only a 100% difference but the amount of data can be completely different.
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so... how did you get the 25%

For the post above:
LOL
 
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