Apples, meet oranges.
EDGE: What Microsofts always-on Xbox means for PlayStation 4
- Thread starter Deadly Joker
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Apples, meet oranges.
schwabdizzle
Banned
Both consoles will not allow used games. I am not sure if the PS4 will require always online though.
dragonflys545
Member
He's from N4G from what I heard.
Green Yoshi
Member
Depends, I heard a lot good things about it. I live near Cologne and have only DSL 2000 (~180 Kilobyte per second), in some German villages you have only DSL via satellite, so the upload speed via the standard phone wire is very lame.
Isn't there a patent by Sony that locks new games via NFC to the console? So they don't need the internet to block used games.
I take it you don't play games through Steam/Origin and you don't play games on a smart phone or tablet?
Duxxy3
Member
The only loser in this whole thing is gamestop.
Microsoft won't deny it because the story doesn't effect their stock negatively.
Sony actually looks better because the rumor doesn't involve them at all.
Nintendo looks much better because we already know that second hand sales are fine and always online won't ever happen.
Microsoft won't deny it because the story doesn't effect their stock negatively.
Sony actually looks better because the rumor doesn't involve them at all.
Nintendo looks much better because we already know that second hand sales are fine and always online won't ever happen.
As someone that has owned all three systems each generation, I can't say I'm all that surprised. During the mid-life cycle of the 360 (lol mid-life) you saw this shift in the company, focusing more on integrating ALL media into their system. Just think about the their last two E3 conferences.
Granted, many just assumed: hey, MS is already in the lead, they already have their user base. So they are just working on ways to improve the 360. But it's starting to look like, the company in general - was having a massive shift in this new direction (also evident by their other products).
This kind of complacent, anti-consumer circular reasoning is just mind blowing to me. Do you often vote against your own interest?
Colonel Nasty
Member
Why wouldn't third parties flock to MS? the userbases are zero. Try and kill / force Sony to join or close up shop. Microsoft wouldn't do this without knowing the repercussions they probably have some third party agreements.
It could be to combat piracy too, its pretty rife still on xbox so making games come with a code tieing them to one system with this always on drm could be the biggest move we have seen against piracy.
DeuceGamer
Member
Can only imagine the launch of Xbox with these restrictions. I won't be buying one at launch if this is true, but they better do an amazing job with PR and marketing otherwise they are going to have a ton of pissed off consumers who may not have realized they had to be connected to online and they cannot buy used games.
I haven't purchased a game since the Playstation 2/Xbox/Gamecube days, and even then, I maybe purchased a handful of them over the course of the entire generation.
If Microsoft's new system has games I want, I'm going to purchase it. Fuck principal and convictions, that's not going to stop me from playing what I want. This is most definitely the future of video games, so I personally don't see the point in boycotting what's sure to be the norm in due time. I have no issue with it on my phones and PC, and I sure as hell don't have an issue with it on my consoles. We already have it to an extent through XBLA/PSN/Wiiware, and the only difference here is the presence of a physical product.
If Microsoft's new system has games I want, I'm going to purchase it. Fuck principal and convictions, that's not going to stop me from playing what I want. This is most definitely the future of video games, so I personally don't see the point in boycotting what's sure to be the norm in due time. I have no issue with it on my phones and PC, and I sure as hell don't have an issue with it on my consoles. We already have it to an extent through XBLA/PSN/Wiiware, and the only difference here is the presence of a physical product.
StriKeVillain
Banned
Damnit Microsoft, why do you make it so hard to like you?
If these rumors are true I'm seeing a lot of Sony in my future.
If these rumors are true I'm seeing a lot of Sony in my future.
What if publishers and developers are so happy with Microsoft's approach that it results in even more timed exclusive content for big games? You'll have retailers trying to push a system that allows them to make money off of second hand game sales, while the content creators would want people to go with the system that doesn't. That is potentially weird situation.
Why would Microsoft play their hand before Sony? If Sony comes out and says they're using their anti-used DRM they patented, Microsoft can come in and dance all over them by saying they'll allow used games or maybe they'll just say "Yeah, we're doing it too because that's what publishers want. Deal with it." and let Sony take most of the blow.
So, how exactly did you play games this generation?
I'm trying to figure out why you'd be okay with this if you don't purchase games. Unless of course your suggesting you'll just pirate them, in which case you shouldn't do that.
Born and raised apparently.
Don't give them any more ideas kitty. At some point they are going to have handcuffs attached to every console.
I bet some Justin friend just pushed the ethernet cable when he dropped the combo and lost the tournament! =)
Not suggesting we have it worse than everywhere else, or that there isn't areas in the US with incredible connections (especially in comparison to what you said). Just saying, our internet infrastructure (overall) has some problems, and I think it's weird they are touting this always online DRM bs.
It's even worse for what you described.
publishers: too expensive to be resold multiple times over when we can force anyone who really wants them in to a brand new purchase.
If a game is 30-50GB it'll be much faster to walk into a retail store than wait for it to finish downloading.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Won't stop me from gladly buying an Xbox next gen. I bet Microsoft will keep the system they have now, games/content ties to the Xbox Live it was purchased on, and the first console it was purchased on. Doesn't sound bad to me.
Not to go off on a rant, but lay off Edge. This is actual journalism on their part - They have a source, they believe in it, and they're running with it at their own risk. That is a big step up from the usual marketing-dictated, publisher fellating spew we get from most places.
If it isn't true, Microsoft should probably respond before Sony's event. If it is, then they're probably waiting to see if Sony will announce their take on the 20th.
I don't think publishers will go all in with either one. Big titles cannot really afford to close off potential market, especially if consumers flock to that console/market. There's also the Japanese market and aren't used games a much bigger deal over there?
If it isn't true, Microsoft should probably respond before Sony's event. If it is, then they're probably waiting to see if Sony will announce their take on the 20th.
I don't think publishers will go all in with either one. Big titles cannot really afford to close off potential market, especially if consumers flock to that console/market. There's also the Japanese market and aren't used games a much bigger deal over there?
Funny enough I think people would rather wait for it to download than have to drive to the store.
Publishers would never leave free money on the table like that, an easy port job between these two systems for little cost they wouldnt with hold software as they would take a kicking from investors wondering why they are limiting there returns.
rakkadakka
Member
I wish we just knew already. Next couple months of speculation are going to be awful.
That's the thing, we don't know how the decision to implement anti-used policy was motivated within MS. Does MS have publishers pledges/support? Or is MS just high on its Windows For Games/Windows8 integration dreams and think Xbox is the console to really push it with? They can't compete with Steam on PC, but they can take console DD platform business since its open grounds right now.
And then after all of that - Do publishers stick it out with MS despite PS4 clearly selling more? Even if this happens, that stance won't last long, because Sony has the advantage of better 1st party support on which they can simply thrive and survive any 3rd party backlash they might face. Eventually when PS4 is pounding Nextbox is sales, publishers will be forced to jump ship.
What we have to see - Do gamers buy the Xbox when it has exclusive 3rd party games even with anti-used games tech there? Lets see.
I don't pay any more than $10-$15 for games on those platforms so its no big deal.
$60+ on the other hand....
Going outstide is scary!
Dead Prince
Banned
sony need a preload feature for psn store across the region.
What would be wrong with download-only? Printing discs is a waste of money and environmental resources.
Not true for everyone.
Hellsing321
Member
Edge isn't backing down which means they must have pretty good sources. They didn't even run the original story as a rumor. Looks like I'm not getting the next Xbox.
I wouldn't bet against 3rd party's playing it safe to begin with (if MS and Sony are on opposite sides)
Yes, they would definitely prefer the console that blocks 2nd hand games. However, they will be very nervous as they know that this could cause one hell of a consumer backlash.
They hate 2nd hand games but not as much as the fear their sales would nosedive of a cliff as they backed the wrong horse
Alx
Member
They should get the support of the third party publishers, they're the ones who are asking for it. And I suppose Sony would follow too, especially considering the simultaneous launch : supposing that MS has this system and Sony doesn't, there would be a big initial support of third parties, that could tip the balance in favor of MS (imagine a time-exclusive Call of Duty for example...).
Even if there is a risk of backfire, it's worth trying for them ; if the support from third parties and sales to the public don't follow, they can easily "unplug" it and allow second-hand games again...
Is the more than likely outcome, third party still make bank on these systems even with used sales. I dont think the market is ready for the total kill on one system like this it would be bad news all round.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Whatever MS does, it will be done to benifet third parties.
Everything is bullshit until the systems launch and are in gamers hands.
Everything is bullshit until the systems launch and are in gamers hands.
phosphor112
Banned
They were trying to save the industry so no one can use it.
Some people just love to take it from the big corporations.
Well even IF publishers want it to happen, what's to stop stores that sell used games like Best buy, Gamestop, GAME, and those who want to get into it like Walmart/Kmart from simply not carrying the device outright? They did it to the PSP download only system, I think that's who MS should worry about.
And If I was Sony i'd definitely not follow suit because always online, no used games is bullcrap and it'd solidify why purchase of Sony's console.
And If I was Sony i'd definitely not follow suit because always online, no used games is bullcrap and it'd solidify why purchase of Sony's console.