Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
How much of this games issues can be resolved with patching?
Is the stamina bar a drag on combat? Can it be enhanced with a patch?
Is the stamina bar a drag on combat? Can it be enhanced with a patch?
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Elex |OT| Gothic 5: Risen From Jank
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PB used to make good games tho', Gothic 2 is a genuine masterpiece. They just haven't made a good videogame in like 10 years (I dunno about this Elex).
TardisLover
Neo Member
Loving it so far,
Graphics are fine (its actually really pretty in some paces), gameplay and combat are fine too.
Massive game world, I reckon it will be at least 150-200 hours judging by the map size, and the OCD must go everywhere, do everything attitude
So far has potential to be my favourite RPG in a long while
Brilliant
Graphics are fine (its actually really pretty in some paces), gameplay and combat are fine too.
Massive game world, I reckon it will be at least 150-200 hours judging by the map size, and the OCD must go everywhere, do everything attitude
So far has potential to be my favourite RPG in a long while
Brilliant
Moff
Member
I think both the stamina bar and the combo system is good. people just need to fight carefully here, it's part of the design. you are supposed to be afraid of the world even 10 hours in. you are not supposed to breeze through hordes of enemies. and you need a companion.
and well I absolutely fucked up the berserker faction, this is not as easy as simply solving all the quests, you need to do it right.
I got some people killed, half assed some assignments and the boss dude said I can forget about joining them, he even banned me from trading and wants me to pay a 2000 elexit fine, lmao. I didn't even commit a crime!
This weird narrative has to die, Risen has quite a few fans and was received quite well even by international media with a Metascore of 77. I'm not in love with Risen 2 & 3 but they are basically Risen in different scenarios and at worst, boring, always talking about the PC versions. Not having played Elex also doesn't help your argument.
They are a small, independent developer that has managed to not only stay in business for almost 20 years now, but also develop two successful role-playing franchises with a third now in the works, all based on their own engine and tech. These are good games. Just because they don't look like The Witcher 3 and are lacking on the technical side doesn't make them worse per se. A game like Fallout 4 can be released full of bugs, terrible animations, lifeless characters, but because ELEX is a european PB product every second comment you hear is "lol eurojank". It's pretty tiring to see how this very special breed of roleplaying game you don't get with bigger AAA productions gets dismissed at every corner.
Sorry for the tangent
TardisLover
Neo Member
This weird narrative has to die, Risen has quite a few fans and was received quite well even by international media with a Metascore of 77. I'm not in love with Risen 2 & 3 but they are basically Risen in different scenarios and at worst, boring, always talking about the PC versions. Not having played Elex also doesn't help your argument.
They are a small, independent developer that has managed to not only stay in business for almost 20 years now, but also develop two successful role-playing franchises with a third now in the works, all based on their own engine and tech. These are good games. Just because they don't look like The Witcher 3 and are lacking on the technical side doesn't make them worse per se. A game like Fallout 4 can be released full of bugs, terrible animations, lifeless characters, but because ELEX is a european PB product every second comment you hear is "lol eurojank". It's pretty tiring to see how this very special breed of roleplaying game you don't get with bigger AAA productions gets dismissed at every corner.
Sorry for the tangent
Agreed, they make great games ELEX is awesome, I loved Fallout 4 but this is better so far
This weird narrative has to die, Risen has quite a few fans and was received quite well even by international media with a Metascore of 77. I'm not in love with Risen 2 & 3 but they are basically Risen in different scenarios and at worst, boring, always talking about the PC versions. Not having played Elex also doesn't help your argument.
They are a small, independent developer that has managed to not only stay in business for almost 20 years now, but also develop two successful role-playing franchises with a third now in the works, all based on their own engine and tech. These are good games. Just because they don't look like The Witcher 3 and are lacking on the technical side doesn't make them worse per se. A game like Fallout 4 can be released full of bugs, terrible animations, lifeless characters, but because ELEX is a european PB product every second comment you hear is "lol eurojank". It's pretty tiring to see how this very special breed of roleplaying game you don't get with bigger AAA productions gets dismissed at every corner.
Sorry for the tangent
+1
arts&crafts
Member
This weird narrative has to die, Risen has quite a few fans and was received quite well even by international media with a Metascore of 77. I'm not in love with Risen 2 & 3 but they are basically Risen in different scenarios and at worst, boring, always talking about the PC versions. Not having played Elex also doesn't help your argument.
They are a small, independent developer that has managed to not only stay in business for almost 20 years now, but also develop two successful role-playing franchises with a third now in the works, all based on their own engine and tech. These are good games. Just because they don't look like The Witcher 3 and are lacking on the technical side doesn't make them worse per se. A game like Fallout 4 can be released full of bugs, terrible animations, lifeless characters, but because ELEX is a european PB product every second comment you hear is "lol eurojank". It's pretty tiring to see how this very special breed of roleplaying game you don't get with bigger AAA productions gets dismissed at every corner.
Sorry for the tangent
Yep, I still loved Risen 3 too even with its problems.
arts&crafts
Member
Thanks!
Edit. How many companions can you have at the same time? Thinking about grabbing two asap and invest in non combat stuff in the beginning and let my companions do the dirty work.
Only one.
SaiyanRaoh
Member
I'm on vacation and I brought my old gaming MSI GT60 laptop. (i7-3610QM 12GB memory and a GTX 670M). Lol, this game is THE definition of unoptimized jank. How can I get a decent 30 FPS on something Like Evil Within 2 (especially with as many problems as it has) and Shadow of War but I can only get 15-20 on this game with every setting on low?, I am really liking it despite the problems but I'l have to wait until I return home to actually play it.
His Majesty
Banned
They really like it, but just in a Codex kind of way. An outsider might easily think the game is shit based on those reactions.
This weird narrative has to die, Risen has quite a few fans and was received quite well even by international media with a Metascore of 77. I'm not in love with Risen 2 & 3 but they are basically Risen in different scenarios and at worst, boring, always talking about the PC versions. Not having played Elex also doesn't help your argument.
They are a small, independent developer that has managed to not only stay in business for almost 20 years now, but also develop two successful role-playing franchises with a third now in the works, all based on their own engine and tech. These are good games. Just because they don't look like The Witcher 3 and are lacking on the technical side doesn't make them worse per se. A game like Fallout 4 can be released full of bugs, terrible animations, lifeless characters, but because ELEX is a european PB product every second comment you hear is "lol eurojank". It's pretty tiring to see how this very special breed of roleplaying game you don't get with bigger AAA productions gets dismissed at every corner.
Sorry for the tangent
I absolutely love Risen 1 and its setting. The pirate setting of Risen 2 and 3 didn't really do much for me and the game felt too restricted and linear. ELEX looks like a return to form and a much more ambitious game than Fallout 4. But yeah, it seems like a lot of people cannot look past some muddy textures and AI issues.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I have played every single one of their games and I thought Gothic 1 was great for it's time, Gothic 2 + expansion were great, and Risen was alright. Gothic 3 was terrible. Risen 2 was quite bad and Risen 3 was mediocre.
I can't help but be cautious toward PB products. I will get the game at some point but I will allow a few patches to go through first.
boredJonathan
Member
This weird narrative has to die, Risen has quite a few fans and was received quite well even by international media with a Metascore of 77. I'm not in love with Risen 2 & 3 but they are basically Risen in different scenarios and at worst, boring, always talking about the PC versions. Not having played Elex also doesn't help your argument.
They are a small, independent developer that has managed to not only stay in business for almost 20 years now, but also develop two successful role-playing franchises with a third now in the works, all based on their own engine and tech. These are good games. Just because they don't look like The Witcher 3 and are lacking on the technical side doesn't make them worse per se. A game like Fallout 4 can be released full of bugs, terrible animations, lifeless characters, but because ELEX is a european PB product every second comment you hear is "lol eurojank". It's pretty tiring to see how this very special breed of roleplaying game you don't get with bigger AAA productions gets dismissed at every corner.
Sorry for the tangent
Just wanted to add that the 'eurojank' is really troubling to hear for someone completely unfamiliar with the term, the developer and it's previous work. Anecdotal yes, but that's basically what happened to me last night.
I launched Steam and saw an ad for what looked like a cool mashup of Fallout, Elder Scrolls and Mass Effect. It looked a little rough around the edges in terms of presentation, but I can get over that. I mean, I'd heard of Risen and Gothic but never in any great detail - I hadn't even heard that they were beloved series until I went to GAF to see what the hive mind here had to say. Which was mainly equal parts people being excited and people hyping eurojank.
Thankfully, I took the plunge as I've absolutely loved my first 2-3 hours with the game. And now I also get what that 'eurojank' *is* but it's hardly something that should be scaring people off. It is exactly the kind of weirdness I expect from open world games, particularly Bethesda games. It does have it's own flavor, which is why I get the euro part of the term. I'm just bummed that I almost passed this title up because of a bunch of jokey posts.
It's funny you should bring up the Witcher 3 too, because at least in the early goings, the game I'm most reminded of in terms of how Elex feels to play is the original Witcher. A classic game that had some weird UI issue, stiff characters, spotty voice acting and odd combat - but that was filled with great stories/quests, a fantastic world to explore, and a real sense of place. And as always, some of the charm of these games is the jank. As many posters went on about when Fallout 4 launched.
So yeah. TL;DR - for those not sure on if they should buy this based on all the talk of eurojank, just think about how you handled the jank in Bethesda games. If you can see past that kind of jank to enjoy those games, you'll find a good time here as well.
I gotta say, this game kind of scratches that Horizon: Zero Dawn itch from a environmental and to a lesser extent combat perspective for me. Definitely not as polished, and the stamina system makes it a much more challenging experience, at least early on, but man, just roaming out and fighting animals or just hanging out and watching animals fight each other is pretty awesome. Aiming for a melee build early on, but I'm still in the first 3-4 hours of the game, so we'll see, I've been keeping some points in reserve in case I decide to go another way.
Hard to believe that I didn't even know this game existed until around 9am yesterday. Now I'm sitting at work wishing I was at home playing.
Hard to believe that I didn't even know this game existed until around 9am yesterday. Now I'm sitting at work wishing I was at home playing.
I feel exactly the same way about the PB games you mentioned, although I really liked Risen 1.
I would say you'll like this one. I've put about 7 hours in so far, and it's on level with Risen 1 if not slightly better so far.
Jag
Member
Yep. I did the same thing. All the quests to build rep and all i did was piss him off. I actually got a kick out of it. I like that there are consequences and options in some quest completion. Better than "go fetch me 10x boar ribs" (although it has those too).
I finally got a two handed sword and some decent gear it feels quite good to properly time your strikes and significantly speed up your animations. This sword also hits like a truck! I'm genuinely curious whether I can fully advance through the Berserkers now though because a few of my quest choices have come back to screw me over.
EdwardTivrusky
Member
I just wanna go hoooooooooommmeeeeeee 
Why does society want to stop me playing this game, why? I'm up to my neck in SCCM issues and all i can think about is getting some exploring done, lol. Luckily i've sorted my deployment woes so for the next hour or so until hometime i can daydream about Elex
So far It's exactly what i expected, wanted, and knew i needed. I suppose it helps that i loved Risen 2 & 3 The Pirate Editions, Vendetta RC, Two Worlds and Boiling Point so my tastes are definitely dodgy but i find it so easy to just slip into these games and lose hours at a time. Just what i need on a stormy autumn night.
Why does society want to stop me playing this game, why? I'm up to my neck in SCCM issues and all i can think about is getting some exploring done, lol. Luckily i've sorted my deployment woes so for the next hour or so until hometime i can daydream about Elex
So far It's exactly what i expected, wanted, and knew i needed. I suppose it helps that i loved Risen 2 & 3 The Pirate Editions, Vendetta RC, Two Worlds and Boiling Point so my tastes are definitely dodgy but i find it so easy to just slip into these games and lose hours at a time. Just what i need on a stormy autumn night.
CrichtonKicks
Member
Gothic 1 was legit ahead of its time. The closest thing to doing a huge 3D world like that with that level of interactivity was Ultima 9 which...yeah.
Gothic 2 was pretty much state of the art as well. It released the same year as Morrowind and they had their pros and cons relative to each other but both were absolutely taking the genre forward.
I think PB really wanted to take that next step with Gothic 3 but they clearly bit off more than they could chew with that one. Since then it seems like they are content to keep iterating on the Gothic formula but have clearly lost the desire to compete on the same playing field with other major RPG devs. Which is probably for the best. We need their niche now more than ever.
Gothic 2 was pretty much state of the art as well. It released the same year as Morrowind and they had their pros and cons relative to each other but both were absolutely taking the genre forward.
I think PB really wanted to take that next step with Gothic 3 but they clearly bit off more than they could chew with that one. Since then it seems like they are content to keep iterating on the Gothic formula but have clearly lost the desire to compete on the same playing field with other major RPG devs. Which is probably for the best. We need their niche now more than ever.
WonderCheese
Banned
How is the frame rate on PS4 pro?
yeah people tend to forget (or don't know), that at some point with jowood heavily investing, Piranha Bytes have been competing with the very best.
Anyhow...in a world, where 4-6 million copies of AAA singleplayer games arent enough anymore, Iam so happy a game on this scope can be created by 20-25 people with a budget of what...5 million euros?
It's pretty decent. It drops in certain areas, but nothing too egregious.
WonderCheese
Banned
Im assuming 30ish? Ive got a decent PC with a 980ti but do find my PS4 slightly more convenient to play on. If I can get 60 FPS on my PC versus 30ish on PS4, Im thinking I should probably get it on PC. Ill be playing with controller either way, so m/kB doesnt factor into my decision.
Should be more than enough for 60fps, Had no Performance Problems with a 970.
Game is terrifying, sun goes down, I'm carefully choosing my encounters as I slowly make my way across the map, see a guy with some glowy bits on him, do I shoot or try and say hello, before I can finish the thought, dude turns around and starts running at me, I make it to high ground and ping him with an arrow, hes a Mutant and hes pretty much invincible, so I run, and he runs after me. I keep thinking I've lost him, then there he is, still running after me, like a damn terminator. Pretty fun, game doesn't fuck around, its a dangerous world.
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
They need a patch to resolve the following:
- allow rebinding all keys for all functions, don't lock any keys.
- slightly improve response time when trying to move with keyboard, it feels sluggish just like in the Witcher 3 before they released the alternate movement option.
- improve adjutor response time, especially when it is called up, takes forever.
- allow option to disable double tap dodging.
- allow option to permanently disable quest trackers on map or set them to off by default.
The above are what I see as critical issues that need to be fixed immediately.
- allow rebinding all keys for all functions, don't lock any keys.
- slightly improve response time when trying to move with keyboard, it feels sluggish just like in the Witcher 3 before they released the alternate movement option.
- improve adjutor response time, especially when it is called up, takes forever.
- allow option to disable double tap dodging.
- allow option to permanently disable quest trackers on map or set them to off by default.
The above are what I see as critical issues that need to be fixed immediately.
WonderCheese
Banned
Cool, thank you.
arts&crafts
Member
Also I notice my the FPS when I pull my map up is very low for some reason. As I play with a controller, the rest of the issues dont really affect me too much.
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
On an i7700k with a GeForce 980 gtx, I get above 60 on max settings at 1080p.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Hopefully PB brings a patch soon that fixes these issues like terrible A.I. and that you sometimes just don't hit the enemy.
Wouldn't even really surprise me all that much if the A.I. stays this way though. And of course I wonder when they will bring the One X patch.
Wouldn't even really surprise me all that much if the A.I. stays this way though. And of course I wonder when they will bring the One X patch.
GodIsOnTheRadio
Member
Watched a stream of this and it looks jank as hell (but in a good way, mostly). Something I would probably spend way too many hours on TBH, albeit I would wait for a deep discount price, the asking price is just too high for the amount of polish on this game.
There is one part of the jank I might have trouble dealing with, though, the inability to hit enemies when standing on a slope (but they seem to be able to hit you).
There is one part of the jank I might have trouble dealing with, though, the inability to hit enemies when standing on a slope (but they seem to be able to hit you).
Moff
Member
quests need to be followed manually, right? so you can simply not do that.
I am a bit disappointed by the quest trackers as well, it would have been a lot cooler if they gave all the locations on the map actual names and guided you like that. but the way it is now, I don't think the game is playable without them, sadly.
my #1 wish for the game is still the ability to mark the map yourself, though.
cleveridea
Member
Wow the game looks gorgeous on PC 1440/60 and I would imagine at 4K also (waiting on a HDR gsync 4K), really impressive for such a small studio
Controls seem a little laggy/imprecise using controller given that its 60 fps.
I would like an option to see damage numbers (defaulted to off since I realize not many people would like this) so its more obvious to me which melee is working out better eg the damage per combo hit. I'm fine without health or HP on the enemies
Is there a way to see my character's total health/HP? investing in constitution didnt grow the healthbar and I can see my stats but didnt see a health or stamina etc number (probably missed it)
Jetpack is fun
Controls seem a little laggy/imprecise using controller given that its 60 fps.
I would like an option to see damage numbers (defaulted to off since I realize not many people would like this) so its more obvious to me which melee is working out better eg the damage per combo hit. I'm fine without health or HP on the enemies
Is there a way to see my character's total health/HP? investing in constitution didnt grow the healthbar and I can see my stats but didnt see a health or stamina etc number (probably missed it)
Jetpack is fun
His Majesty
Banned
Anyone playing on ultra difficulty? How is it?
This, so much I am an hour and a half in and 4 level ups unspent because I am dumping it all in whatever increases stamina!
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Game is beautiful at ultrawide 3440x1440/100hz. I love these Eurojank games with proprietary engines so much. They always look so great and run well too.
arts&crafts
Member
haha, also the music doesnt get lower when you start talking to people so I had to turn the music to 60% in options but keep voices at 100%
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
That'd be overkill. Just off the top of my head, I can recall a quest that involves finding a very small object. Without the quest tracker, it'd be impossible to find.
The more time I am spending with this game the less I am enjoying it. The combat is just atrocious. There is no other way to describe it. I am also still waiting for those great quests. All I am seeing with the Berserkers so far is cliches and sub par writing. I really dont know if I want to continue this game.