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ELI MANNING OWNS TIKI BARBER, THE AFC, THE ENTIRE LEAGUE, AND THE UNIVERSE!!!
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Cloudy said:
I hate when coaches do that shit.
They actually believed that keeping Moss in there as a Decoy was a good idea.
"Hey guys, let's have Moss run deep routes and throw it underneath to Welker, that will help us win!"
...No it fucking won't. What took you to this game? Throwing underneath to Welker for 100+ yards or over the top to Moss? God damn, why do coaches do this shit? Same thing happened with L.T. last year, San Diego came out in the 2nd half against the Patriots just using him as a Decoy and ended up losing the fucking game.
Give the fucking ball to Moss dammit. End around, screen, ANYTHING. I didn't see any of that. Just plain bad coaching, IMO.
This shit happens against the Warriors too, and it's a reason we always lose to the Spurs (except this year 2-0 baby!). Other teams try and play us like they feel they can use a certain player as a decoy instead of using him like he should actually is used.
The best plays in the playoffs usually don't happen in the SB.FrenchMovieTheme said:the montana pass to john taylor against cincy is the greatest superbowl play ever! yes i'm biased
the tyree play was incredible though. it has to go down as top 5 at least (i still think the final play "1 yard short" in the rams/titans game was incredible)
You will be happy to know that my favorite all time playoff moment (including the SB) is Montana to Clark. Definitely one of the greatest plays of all time and the fact that it was to win the game (against the Cowboys no less) makes it all the more amazing.
Cool Joe still the best qb of all time IMHO.
Gigglepoo said:
Lol great game, absolutely loved watching the Patriots eat some real humble pie but let's be real here this wasn't even close to the Miracle on Ice. The closest we'll ever see to that kind of upset would be if a 16 seed beat an undefeated 1 seed in the NCAA mens basketball final and even then it wouldn't top it. You'll never see it in the Olympics again since professional athletes can compete now.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Any1 know a reliable sight where you can buy custom t-shirts? Gonna go into mass production of
"2007 New England Patriots"
18-1
(in orange and teal)
Grats New Yorkers, from here on out in all neutral games concerning the fins i shall root for the giants for life.
"2007 New England Patriots"
18-1
(in orange and teal)
Grats New Yorkers, from here on out in all neutral games concerning the fins i shall root for the giants for life.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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btrboyev said:
holy shit i did the same thing except i punched some weird wood sign hanging from the ceiling at the bar :O
Karakand said:
Definitely. The Miracle on Ice was an event whose importance transcended Hockey. I can think of very few sporting events that had close to the same impact.
As fun as it was to watch, and as gratifying I'm sure the outcome was to Giants fans and creepy Pats-haters alike, Super Bowl 42 certainly isn't going to be one of them.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Bogus said:
Dolphins fans aren't creepy pat haters, sir.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I don't know, here in SoCal (west coast in general I guess) that Texas/USC felt like one of the biggest upsets ever. Mind you I am not a USC fan. I mean the house I was at watching the game at was in total shock, hehe.
ryutaro's mama
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"First the BoSox won it, then Boston College will, then the Patriots, and then the Celtics. Man, it's great to be a New England fan right now."
-any random Boston area fan
-any random Boston area fan
ryutaro's mama
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NomarTyme said:
Don't get me started on that, man.
That was a dark day for me that I will never forget....
Green Shinobi
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Anyone else think that Belichick's challenge (12 men on the field after the Giants' defense shut the Pats' drive down) was the most classless thing a coach has done in a game in awhile?
It was just so dishonorable. Would he have felt proud, if his team had scored on that drive after winning the challenge? Would he have felt proud knowing that his offense got shut down and the only reason they didn't punt was a stupid penalty that you would only notice by looking at a replay?
But hey, anything to win, right?
It was just so dishonorable. Would he have felt proud, if his team had scored on that drive after winning the challenge? Would he have felt proud knowing that his offense got shut down and the only reason they didn't punt was a stupid penalty that you would only notice by looking at a replay?
But hey, anything to win, right?
NomarTyme said:
That loss sucks even more with all the details about the day before super bowl camera crap. Patriots deserve to lose all their recent Super Bowl Wins with all this going on.
Green Shinobi said:
That Whole situation was crap. They Punted the ball and the Giants were about to start thier drive then they decide to challenge. Moment you do your next play the chance to issue a Challenge should be gone.
Green Shinobi said:
If it's not against the rules to challenge the penalty, what's the problem with the challenge? It's an objective ruling that the refs missed that was quite obvious.
EDIT: Defensive 12-man on the field penalty is not a pre-snap penalty, so that play's snap is still that play.
BigJonsson
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What a game!!!
I work at a bar and watching it there was actually pretty fun
What an incredible catch by Tyree, unbelievale!
I work at a bar and watching it there was actually pretty fun
What an incredible catch by Tyree, unbelievale!
MiamiWesker
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What a game, it started slow but it ended as one of the best SB's of all time. I am still in shock, even though I went for the Giants I never once thought they could pull it off. They were the better team on the field, as usual a dominant defense will beat a dominant offense and the Giants d was incredible. They ate the O-line of the Pats, and they got to Brady, I know its easier said than done but that is the key, take down Brady you take down the offense. Credit to the Pats D cause for the most part they played well, they held the Giants to 17, that should have been enough, but they couldn't hold on. Eli, wow, that play, OMG. The whole game the Giants just played a little bit better. Congrats to them.
I really feel that week 17 was the turning point of this whole season. The Giants were a different team since that game, confident, player better than ever. The Pats were not the same team in the playoffs, their offense was off. I have this weird feeling that if the Pats would have just sat down their players week 17 not play their hardest in that game that maybe they win the SB. Maybe the Giants don't game all that confidence, maybe the Giants dont know what to expect from the Pats. But the Pats gunned for perfection and it bit them in the ass. If the Pats cant go undefeated I dont know how anyone will. Say what you will of the 72 Dolphins what they did was special. I don't even think they are the best team of all time, but you have to respect them for what they did, this just proves how hard it is to go undefeated.
I really feel that week 17 was the turning point of this whole season. The Giants were a different team since that game, confident, player better than ever. The Pats were not the same team in the playoffs, their offense was off. I have this weird feeling that if the Pats would have just sat down their players week 17 not play their hardest in that game that maybe they win the SB. Maybe the Giants don't game all that confidence, maybe the Giants dont know what to expect from the Pats. But the Pats gunned for perfection and it bit them in the ass. If the Pats cant go undefeated I dont know how anyone will. Say what you will of the 72 Dolphins what they did was special. I don't even think they are the best team of all time, but you have to respect them for what they did, this just proves how hard it is to go undefeated.
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Green Shinobi said:
Joke post???
Dishonorable for winning a challange that CLEARLY showed the other team was in violation of an NFL rule. What in the hell dude. If that was your team you would be pissed if they did not challenge that.
Green Shinobi said:
The rule is black and white. Belichick saw that the Giants had made a mistake, and he knew that his team would get the first down if he challenged it.
You can make cases for legitimate "dishonorable" moves by Belichick, but this wasn't one of them. Let's not grasp at straws.
Cloudy said:
You make it seem like that's a bad thing. The Patriots became obstinate this season - refusing to run even when their passing attack was floundering because they had all these stars and great stats. If they played a conventional NFL offense they would have been a better team this year.
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Gigglepoo said:
I agree. The Pats looked more like the Colt teams that never won the SB than the Pats of old. The Colt team that won last year played more like the Pats did back when they were winning. Balance is key, but to be fair the Giants D didn't allow them to do much of anything.
Why did Brady throw the ball 40+ times when the Patriots were up most of the game? And are people still laughing at my prediction that Moss won't be back next season? Troy Brown was infinitely more valuable in their Super Bowl runs than Randy Moss this year. You don't need stats to win, you need a solid team.
Green Shinobi
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mCACGj said:
The problem is that their drive had been shut down, but was kept alive by a ticky-tack penalty that had nothing to do with the play. Would you really want the entire NFL championship to be decided by a lineman taking a quarter of a second too long to get off the field?MiamiWesker said:
It was 4th and 5. The Giants' defense had shut them down. They didn't earn that first down. You can bet your ass that if they had scored on that drive and that had been the difference in the game, you'd see people calling for a rule change so that you can't get a first down due to a 12 men on the field penalty.
The way it should happen is that the play moves up 5 yards, but it's still 4th and 5, or at least 4th and 1. An entire defensive stand shouldn't be negated by one guy taking a quarter of a second too long to get off the field.
MiamiWesker
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Green Shinobi said:
Its the rules, its been there since forever. Have your guys off the field or its the offenses right to snap the ball when you are not ready. It is a stupid reason to make a first down but its simple, don't have 12 men on the field, I put all the blame on the Giants for not being organized. Ask yourself this, if it wasn't the Pats doing it would you care.
Green Shinobi
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If the difference in a championship game was a score after a drive that had been kept alive by a penalty like that, I would definitely care.MiamiWesker said:
They really need to amend the rules so that minor penalties cannot result in a first down.
Green Shinobi said:
Your disagreement with the validity of the rule doesn't affect how "honorable" Belichick's challenge was. The concept of honor in professional sports is entirely nebulous and subjective. The fact of the matter is that any coach worth his salt would have recognized the opportunity and taken advantage of it.
It's a penalty like any other, and it can change the outcome of a game just like any other. Would you have such a problem if, for example, there was pass interference on a fourth down conversion attempt that resulted in a first down?
Green Shinobi is on an island on this one, I think. I don't believe there's "no honor" in pro sports (see my posts earlier this year about running up the score), and I didn't have any problem with the challenge either... it's what you do...
At any rate, it wound up better for the Giants in the end, because that drive wound up as the 4th-down gamble drive, and they got better field position after the Pats failed to convert.
At any rate, it wound up better for the Giants in the end, because that drive wound up as the 4th-down gamble drive, and they got better field position after the Pats failed to convert.
Green Shinobi
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No, because penalties like pass interference, holding, facemask, etc have an effect on the play at hand. Penalties like false start or offsides are fuck-ups committed by the players directly involved in the play, and in many cases, are planned for by the opposing side (long counts before the snap).Bogus said:
12 men on the field has nothing to do with the play at all. Furthermore, the refs initially decided not to call it.
Green Shinobi said:
I strongly disagree. Teams should be punished for breaking the rules.
Green Shinobi said:
You don't think an extra man is an advantage? Or do you think some 12 men on the field penalties should be called and others should not? How do you feel about holds that take place far from the ball?
Suburban Cowboy
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...the dolphins didnt win you knowTheDrizzlerJ11 said:
Green Shinobi
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An extra man who is a fraction of a second away from reaching the sideline is not an advantage to anyone.Gigglepoo said:
Suburban Cowboy
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just be happy there isnt the college rule that if the kicker is touched kicking team gets an automatic first down. Now thats bullshitGreen Shinobi said:
MiamiWesker
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Suburban Cowboy said:
But history did, muahahahaha!
The Giants played incredible, you guys deserve all the credit. Know this, that the second most happiest group of people in the nation right now all live in Miami. For once NY and Miami are cheering together.
perfectchaos007
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I have a question. Where did the tradition of saying "I'm Going to Disneyland" after winning the superbowl start?
Green Shinobi
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I'd say when it's the difference between 4th and 5 or a 1st down, that's a good time not to call the penalty. I just don't think the game should be decided by that shit.Gigglepoo said:
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