Wastelander92
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Probably for the best they scrapped Kang in favor of Doom.
In an alternate universe, Avengers The Kang Dynasty released today
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Probably for the best they scrapped Kang in favor of Doom.
Connificent
Al Pachinko, Konami President
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
And manabyte would call it the best movie ever, no flaws.
kpopSuperstar
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Even without his actions that ruined his career, they diminished his character in that Ant Man film where he got bested by the worst Avenger.
MayauMiao
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They took the Sony approach and Concord it before potentially losing several more millions.
Doom85
Member
While I don't think they should have done it, there's a few details from it fans miss:
-Kang dominates in the fight against Scott for most of it, this is despite him being weakened from getting swarmed by Hank's ant army as that destroyed his powered armor. Only when Hope catches him off guard when she comes blasting in does Scott get a hit on him and then the two escape
-this Kang was nowhere near his full power. Part of the reason Janet was so afraid of him escaping was because he would be far more dangerous with access to a wider scope of technology, whereas in the Quantum Realm he had only his powered armor in terms of his own personal arsenal.
-the Kang Dynasty as a whole were more powerful than this Conqueror Kang, so their threat had yet to be measured fully
I still agree they should have ended the movie differently, but the threat of the Kang Dynasty and even the Conqueror was not necessarily diminished by the events of the film.
kpopSuperstar
Member
Sure, but no one thinks like this watching the film, compared to Thanos he seemed like a kid.
It was also hard to grasp exactly what he was gonna do, was he gonna swarm Earth with his clone army? Was that the threat?
ClanOfNone
Member
Was never a Kang fan, his design was dumb.
Doom >>> Kang, though I still wish it was someone other than RDJ.
Doom >>> Kang, though I still wish it was someone other than RDJ.
DKehoe
Gold Member
I think there was potential to do something interesting with him. But having a version of Kang, regardless of the qualifiers that mean other versions could be more of a threat, get defeated by someone who isn't considered an 'A-list' hero diminishes how people perceive Kang since that's now a lot of people's first impression of the character.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
I kinda like more the Dr Doom idea, but I'm not sure about the upcoming execution
Marvel always got weak here and there, like with Antman or Thor, but there's a lot of bangers like Winter Soldier or Civil War. But after Endgame just the last Guardians and Deadpool 3 are good, and not even as great as the first ones...
Maybe it's just super hero fatigue. We need to slow down
Marvel always got weak here and there, like with Antman or Thor, but there's a lot of bangers like Winter Soldier or Civil War. But after Endgame just the last Guardians and Deadpool 3 are good, and not even as great as the first ones...
Maybe it's just super hero fatigue. We need to slow down
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
What are those couple of movies you're thinking of? I can only think of the most recent Spider-Man movie, but it was in my opinion the weakest of the three.
Ulysses 31
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Deadpool & Wolverine?
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Oh right, I forgot it was a MCU movie. It was so heavy on the classic X-Men that I lumped it together with the Fox-verse. Yeah, that one was very good.
Spyxos
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Yes, I would also have preferred to see the end of what was planned.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Ties into the multiverse theme.
This Doom will be a version of Tony Stark from another universe.
Win for Disney. They can combine a fan favourite villain with a fan favourite actor.
bitbydeath
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Did you watch Loki?
They used that show to finish Kang's story.
TDiddyLive
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They kind of hinted that all Kang variants are bent on ruling the world/universe (except the one killed by girl Loki) and then they push out a dorky variant that's a con man with a goofy speech pattern in Loki season 2. Thank god they were able to end that train wreck of a big bad. Not a fan of Downey as Doom, but the character has a much bigger upside.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Would Kang had been better received had he been a comics accurate version instead of a live action multiverse version?
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TDiddyLive
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Nah, Kang has always been lame as fuck. He's Tumu Doctor Doom. Changing his story possibly helps, but might as well use a better character.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
So much of the Loki tv show was about Kang anyway, controlling narratives, timelines, it could make a movie boring.
Doom85
Member
The Kang Dynasty is a legit great Avengers comic. Kang has definitely been in great stories, he just happens to be in shitty ones too like The Crossing.
I mean, if we excluded any "lame" comic element from entering the MCU, then Captain America: Civil War would never have been made. Sorry, I know it has its fans, but most over the years have realized how poorly written that comic is, and we're talking even more problems than having Tony Stark basically become a villain: you've got the Registration Act not being fully defined on how it works, Peter Parker publicly reveals his identity despite one of the few clear elements of the Act being you only needed to register your ID with the government, Reed Richards is written like a robot who has never socially interacted with a human being, Maria Hill tries to arrest Cap over a bill that had not been passed which is all sorts of unlawful, etc. The Russo Bros dropped all that garbage and gave the film "adaptation" a legit good story by taking only the most basic element (Steve and Tony divide the Avengers over a proposed law) and making everything else in the film their own story divorced from the comic storyline.
Werewolf Jones
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Should've been the Krang Dynasty.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
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He was Kang, but not anymore.
BlackTron
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Some timelines are meant to be split.
spookyfish
Gold Member
It more than likely will be. I'm betting RDJ isn't the "final" Doom.
March Climber
Gold Member
I think what they should have emphasized better with Kang is that he is an enemy that literally would not stop, because there are infinite variations of him. He would wear down an Avengers-level team simply due to overwhelming numbers.
The Ant Man movie didn't make this clear enough and instead made it seem like that one version of Kang was the big bad who got fried.
Doom85
Member
Though nothing official yet, but I've heard it reported that Secret Wars is the conclusion of RDJ playing Dr. Doom, but not the end of the character for the MCU.
Since it's safe to assume RDJ's Dr. Doom comes from the same alternate universe this Fantastic Four hail from, that means they can reveal the Dr. Doom of the main universe after Secret Wars. Likewise, Shalla-Bal is the Silver Surfer in that alternate universe (just like she is in the comics in the alternate universe of the Earth X series), but Norrin Radd himself will appear after Secret Wars (or maybe during, who knows?) as the Surfer of the main universe.
spookyfish
Gold Member
The rumor is Viggo Mortensen has been approached. Which would be enough to pull me back in for a while, anyway.
Doom85
Member
Hmm, I'm 50/50 about that choice. 20 years ago, maybe even 15, for sure that could have been great, but by the time Secret Wars releases, Viggo will be in his late 60's. I mean, I would love to have seen Mads Mikkelsen in the role, but he's getting up there too.
Sure, they could keep the next version of Doom masked at all times, but it's also about commitment, I wouldn't blame an actor in their 70's not wanting to be attached to a franchise for the next 5-8 years or so. Sure, some are up for it like John Lithgow signing on to play Dumbledore in the Harry Potter series, but for example I assume Harrison Ford is only playing Ross that one time, MAYBE one or two more films in the future at most (not for a lack of interest, in fact I heard Ford flat out debunk the idea he was doing this halfheartedly and/or just for money, and Ford said he's actually had a great time playing the role of Ross).
If the rumor is real and also Viggo legit intends to be up for playing Doom for Phases 7-9, then that could work.
I guess some might say, "dude, he can just do the voice, he never needs to be in the costume". Well, apparently at least RDJ is committed to being in costume, the reports I heard say he's expected to be on the Avengers Doomsday set for a majority of the shoot, so obviously he'll actually be the one behind the mask the vast majority of the time, which is cool to hear. And it would be neat if the next actor to play Doom could follow suit.