Eminem is the mosted liked person in the world.
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Now you're not being serious. My favourite rappers are Eminem's favorite rappers:
"here's the order of my list that it's in:
It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie
Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me"
I'd take Jada and Kurupt from the list, but other than that it's pretty solid. And as you can see Eminem is not even on Eminem's top 5.
IrishNinja
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Em's got a lotta quotables, OT has several threads worth i wanna say. id have to think on my favorite to post.
BIG
Method Man
Q-Tip
Nas
Cube
GZA (trying to not use a supergroup like Wu here)
Redman
3 stacks
Pac
MF DOOM
Black Star
Shad (okay, he's prolly 1 more album away from my list but i love the dude...same with Jay Electronica if he ever releases shit)
some from Hydeout camp
so no dude, not even close. ironically:
"I got a list: here's the order of my list that it's in
It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie
Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me
but in this industry I'm the cause of a lot of envyso when I'm not put on this list, the shit does not offend me"
so you kinda got it backwards, actually
*edit FUCK YOU RJT haha...good call on C4C too
BIG
Method Man
Q-Tip
Nas
Cube
GZA (trying to not use a supergroup like Wu here)
Redman
3 stacks
Pac
MF DOOM
Black Star
Shad (okay, he's prolly 1 more album away from my list but i love the dude...same with Jay Electronica if he ever releases shit)
some from Hydeout camp
so no dude, not even close. ironically:
"I got a list: here's the order of my list that it's in
It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie
Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me
but in this industry I'm the cause of a lot of envyso when I'm not put on this list, the shit does not offend me"
so you kinda got it backwards, actually
*edit FUCK YOU RJT haha...good call on C4C too
That list was from 2002, and I never paid much attention to it, honestly. I don't think that's how Eminem feels still.
And like I said, do some research about the dudes you list as your favorite MC's. It would be mindblowing if Eminem is not on their lists of best rapper of all time.
And like I said, do some research about the dudes you list as your favorite MC's. It would be mindblowing if Eminem is not on their lists of best rapper of all time.
Angry Fork
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He's been trash since 2004 (with bits and pieces of good flaring up here and there) but judging from Infinite to Eminem Show there's no doubt he was top 5 of all time within that period. If he put out 1 more album the quality of Eminem Show he would've cemented his status as something like the Michael Jordan of rap, someone who could do it all. Instead he collapsed harder than any other musician in history imo. He ruined his legacy completely as far as I'm concerned and nobody who knows about the underground or still listens to emcees for their delivery lyrics etc. respects him like they used to.
At least Canibus collapse was gradual but Eminem went from Eminem Show/8 Mile songs to Puke and Ass like that within 1 year. It was catastrophic. He's a horrible caricature of his former self now and it broke my heart for a while since I was a huge fan but I've moved on to other genre's now.
At least Canibus collapse was gradual but Eminem went from Eminem Show/8 Mile songs to Puke and Ass like that within 1 year. It was catastrophic. He's a horrible caricature of his former self now and it broke my heart for a while since I was a huge fan but I've moved on to other genre's now.
You never paid much attention to his list when he was on top of his game? He'll probably rank himself lower now.
Angry Fork
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They're awful. I could explain why but I really don't feel like getting into it. In terms of structure, rhythm/flow, multi's, delivery etc. everything is completely different for the worse. His tracks are dreadful to listen to now. Trust me when I say I don't want to hate him, I was a huge fan, but I'm judging objectively. 2004-2007 he was one of the worst rappers on the planet mainstream-wise, now he seems to care a bit more but he's still bad and sometimes only tolerable.
The first half of encore was great though.. I read it was pirated and eminem went crazy and made sure the rest of the album sucked. (The sucky songs still topped charts)
High five eminem your a troll
The Return of
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Hopsin isn't fresh at all. Unless you are like desperate to listen to a much worse and even cornier version of Eminem and ignore all other type of acts that's been happening within the genre
IrishNinja
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its the best thing he's done in like forever now (you're talking pt 2/last year's one right?), so if you could stomach the other stuff, this should really be a treat.
yeah, that album was shit because em wanted it to be
man, this is like god-tier stanning right here. i mean, i fuckin love the RZA. ive read dude's books/interviews, try to enjoy the shit he puts up on we wednesdays/try out all his cousins and weed carrier shit he props up these days, etc
but even i draw a line. i couldn't give a pass to stuff like the prince to his face. if i had that level of cognitive dissonance, i think i'd still be a
Wow, great to know. I have no idea why I never gave it a try before. I consider myself to be a huge Eminem fan, so I should be ashamed.
IrishNinja
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dont sweat it, i think a lotta people chalk it up to being Royce albums but they're both golden, part 2 sounds more to me like classic Em than anything in a while now.
it's kinda like how a lotta people rate Nas albums and forget Lost Tapes, until someone mentions em. it's weird.
Eminem is that high school girl shit. I mean literally he is the Linkin Park of rap. Ill give him some nods for some obvious technical ability, but in terms of broad trailer trash appeal he's prolly no better than say, tech n9ne?
this is whats real.
this is whats real.
Half and half
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ODB
Pac
Biggie
Jay-Z
Nas
round out my top five (in that order) Then there's
Method Man
Eminem
Black Thought
Mos Def
Rakim
for the 6-10 spot. These 5 are more fluid and can come and go depending on my mood.
Pac
Biggie
Jay-Z
Nas
round out my top five (in that order) Then there's
Method Man
Eminem
Black Thought
Mos Def
Rakim
for the 6-10 spot. These 5 are more fluid and can come and go depending on my mood.
Uno Venova
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Em would end up in my top 5.
This is silly.
90TilInfinity
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I love 90s Em, actually think Infinite is underrated, but I would be stunned if those who are claiming dude to be the indisputable technical God of hip hop have actually listened to Stress: The Extinction Agenda, Internal Affairs, Wanted Dead or Alive, 4,5,6, Capital Punishment and/or Lifestylez (I'll be fair and just assume you've heard ATLiens & Aquemini).
If you don't even know who's albums they are, never mind their content, then refrain from making such wild claims. Em is amazing on form, but he's not in a league of his own in any department. Not catalogue, not talent, not lyrical content, not delivery and no, not technique.
Detroit is well known for having technically ridiculous MCs (Finale, Elzhi, Royce, hell, even Invincible). Em is at the top of that list, but not at the top of hip-hop's list.
If you don't even know who's albums they are, never mind their content, then refrain from making such wild claims. Em is amazing on form, but he's not in a league of his own in any department. Not catalogue, not talent, not lyrical content, not delivery and no, not technique.
Detroit is well known for having technically ridiculous MCs (Finale, Elzhi, Royce, hell, even Invincible). Em is at the top of that list, but not at the top of hip-hop's list.
See, stupid comes from both sides. Because Em was/is adored by High School girls doesnt mean he made music for that demographic. Usually there was 1, maybe 2 single type tracks, the rest were just shit from his head, a bizarre place no doubt. Say whatever you want about his discography post Eminem Show, but he had three straight great-classic albums. This isnt just fanboys talking. SSLP/MMLP/Eminem Show constantly show up on many online and print best of lists.
The Recipe is my official 2012 summer jam.
I've never quite seen someone so expertly launch himself out of the "novelty white rapper" pit into "srs respected rapper even tho he white guise!" land, but G.O.A.T.? Good lord, no. No matter how hard his marketing pushes to forget that era, let us remember that this man at one point had rap beef with the Insane Clown Posse.
Nas has GOAT on lock. Once you drop an Illmatic, you get a free pass for life.
Umm what? Most of his hate and or anger is in jest. Then there are maybe 1-2 tracks of actual hate. And then more songs making fun of himself. And at his best he did offer some decent social satire tracks.
This is moronic. You and your type of rap fans have made it almost impossible for anyone to like Eminem to the point of putting him in their top 5. Because obviously if anyone puts Eminem in his top 5 it must be because they are A. White B. Only listen to Eminem and not hip hop or C. Stopped listening to rap in 2003. Its beyond stupid. And no one even mentioned those things but you brought it up right away.
Music is subjective people. You can't just claim lists or greatest of all times as facts. Some will say Biggie. Some will say Pac. Some will say someone completely else. Once you get to a point where the talent is evident, any can be put at the top based on the individuals personal tastes. To dismiss anyone who likes Eminem to the point of having them in their top 5 is juvenile and one of the silliest things about rap.
No.
Relapse is full of songs making fun of himself. Eminem sucks now when he tries to recapture that magic from 98-03. It seems forced. I rather him make music that he actually likes and wants to now.
Eminem haters are usually those who just don't like his music or style. Which is fine.
But then there are other haters who hate him not because he isn't talented, but because they think he gets too much credit and feel the urge to defend other artists or rap in general. As if people liking Eminem means other artists are not relevant, talented, better, or innovators. In their eyes the minute you mention you like Eminem or consider him to be one of the best of all time you lose all credibility.
Your argument makes zero sense to me. A lot, if not all, rap fans still put Biggie, Pac, Nas, Wu Tang (certain members of the group) Kool G, and many other rappers from 15-20 years ago on the top of their list as the best ever. So why doesn't that apply to Eminem? Why is it that when he is brought up you have to put up qualifiers? Yeah his best stuff might be from the Bush Era times (btw what does that have to do with rap rankings?) but it exists and IMO liking his music enough to put him in the argument is no different than arguing whether or where certain rappers belong on the list. And even then the "list" is your personal list not some sketched in stone code of law.
I really don't think his marketing is pushing for anything. All of his personal beefs were pretty public. ICP, Everlast, Canibus, Benzino, and some others I might be forgetting.
Where do you get the impression that Interscope or Eminem himself is trying to distance himself from his past altercations?
Well to be fair that was the dark era of rap when a lot of sucky shit was coming out of the mainstream. The first half of the naughties were a bleak, dark era for our favorite genre. We had some good underground efforts (for example MF Doom), but by and large Em dominated an era full of unoriginal emcees and an industry that was confused with future direction. The Larry Holmes of rap.
ill admit em can rap, but the way dude aired out his family is gross
except Larry Holmes was dope tho
ill admit em can rap, but the way dude aired out his family is gross
Every conflict is a story with many sides. It's not like they can respond to him on the same scale to refute or debate anything he said. Eminem self-deprecates enough to make the stories seem fair or true enough, but how do you know that's not calculated as well? I just find it to be wack. Either way have the decency to not use peoples real names or something even if you have to put your baby momma on blast, jesus.
FYI even though i like Daughters ill criticise Nas for the same
altho he got his daughter to do the video still, so i guess she was chill with it
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mosted?
90TilInfinity
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Because his catalogue isn't on par with theirs. Eminem gets to where he is in top XX lists because of his talent and what he's capable of, but his output isn't on par with Nas' or Biggie's. It's not on par with Ghostface's or Common's. It's not on par with Jay-Z's or Pac's. It's not on par with Andre 3000's or Pharoahe Monch's. I could go on...
He put out good-to-very good albums but we all knew he could do better, through loose songs and features. Hip hop fans rate Eminem very highly because of this, and I'd say we are actually quite lenient in regards to how we judge artists.
Conciliator
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Yeah I'm surprised we have such a big constituency of Eminem...obsessives? Sorry. He definitely was good in his prime, and has some awesome performances in terms of technical complexity, and there's probably a case to be made somewhere but most of the conversations I have and hear regarding 'GOAT' (hip hop's obsession with this is annoything too) don't automatically involve Em by any means.
Half and half
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I think all the GOAT advocates should be highlighting Em's dissing skills, which are top notch imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqiKEcqvdM
Fucking nasty. I blushed the first time I heard that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqiKEcqvdM
"You're gonna ruin my career you better get one. Like ima sit and fight with you over some slut bitch cunt, that made me put up with her pyscho ass over six months. And only spread her legs to let me hit once."
Fucking nasty. I blushed the first time I heard that.
what could be a more salient example of diss talent than returning shots at a pop star! I also appreciated his ethering of his family and various underground rappers that could never respond back to him on the same scale too.
He is a pretty good diss rapper, but his choice of targets.....
Half and half
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On the subject, I found this list of every celebrity he's dissed:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/06/a-history-of-eminems-beefs/240346/
Yeah, he's mean. Some of this is stuff is hilarious and is really sets him apart imo.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/06/a-history-of-eminems-beefs/240346/
Yeah, he's mean. Some of this is stuff is hilarious and is really sets him apart imo.
Roland Garros
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This is a fantastic paragraph.
Infact, the level of vitriol directed at Eminem by supposed rap historians suggests to me they're fighting a losing battle.
I hear ya, a lot of haters in regards to Eminem ....... especially from those hip hop / rap snobs.
IrishNinja
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yeah, it can't just be the 2nd half of his career is an obvious dropoff in quality from the 1st, must be some racial shit.
C. is the correct answer unless B. is true, though
1) a lot in this thread could barely name them, if you followed it.
2) those rappers from 15-20 years ago (barring the dead ones) still make music, much of which holds up. consistency is key, especially if you're on some "greatest of all time" shit. if that wasn't the case, lupe fans would retcon lasers, rather than try to pretend it didn't happen.
3) bush era was meant to give a time period for you - it's been a while since he was consistently good. ill grant bad meets evil 2 if you're into that, but there were many years there he was phoning shit in, i like em but i dont see why we should pretend otherwise.
4) did i say my personal list was down by law? no, i just said even em recognized his betters.
it's not difficult, man. I can put say ghostface in my top 10 easily because he didn't fall off, i can't honestly say more of Deck or RZA's stuff was hit than miss for me. there's a reason Em apologists get the assumption that they stopped listening around '02 or so - that's when the steady decline started. feel free to like what you like and make any list you please, but pretending Em should be a shoe-in for top 5 on other people's lists who've continued listening to new/better artists is kinda silly, too.
we're trying, but it's an uphill battle with the radio crowd.
its a readjustment moreso than vitrol, but please, enjoy your strawmen.
notice most of us are continually pointing to his early career & classic records.
ahahaha "someone keeps up with a subject they speak on? GET THAT SHIT OUTTA HERE"
i guess i know who's still buying those eminem posters they got at wal-mart
that's one of those things from his earlier shit that kills me & ages it poorly: going after boy bands, moby, pop stars etc.
listen to him & x go in on dupri, his greats on everlast, benzino, and just about anybody else and it's awesome, the firing of shots on the (basically) defenseless is no good though. can't believe he started that up again with mariah a while back, gotta figure he's bored these days.
PhoenixDark
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It's like you've never heard of Kool G Rap, Big Pun, early Jay-Z, Rakim, Biggie, Big L, Nas etc. Your argument makes no sense and makes you sound like someone with no rap knowledge
Encore is bad, but there's still 4-5 great songs if you include the bonus tracks. I think Relapse is really underrated and Recovery is a collection of songs, technically still good but a bit... I don't know, it just doesn't feel like a real quality piece of work. Like he didn't work too hard on it.
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