Empire Strikes Back DVD-RIP - New Emperor Scene

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George Lucas is a ballsucking hack.... but I dunno why anyone would get angry over this. Who cares?
 
This was much better...

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BRING BACK BAD EFFECTS MONKEY LADY!
 
Looks good to me.
 
The dialogue about him being the "offspring of Anakin Skywalker" kinda sucks. But putting in the new Emperor is fine. Eh, I'd prefer it without the changes, but this one isn't worth getting worked up over.
 
I like the changes in the film (I have not seen the scream, or lack thereof, yet tho). I like this better than ROTJ (The changes that is).
 
MrPing1000 said:
adding the anakin line take the shine of the shock that darth vader is luke's father. I know we all know but still
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BINGO! For those of us that actually prefer to pretend that those other films don't exist, changes like these only help to screw up what was once a storied franchise. Dumb, Lucas...just dumb.
 
Wow... I can no longer watch that scene without hearing the Star Wars rap in my head. :lol
 
3rdman said:
BINGO! For those of us that actually prefer to pretend that those other films don't exist, changes like these only help to screw up what was once a storied franchise. Dumb, Lucas...just dumb.
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Anyone who watches the movies in order will realize that... besides, the new lines don't come right out and SAY it. It's not like Palpatine says "Dude, about your son..." to Vader.
 
MrPing1000 said:
adding the anakin line take the shine of the shock that darth vader is luke's father. I know we all know but still
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Ruin it for who? People who start at episode 4?

If you start at episode 4, you do not know who anakin skywalker is. Nothing ruined.

If you start at episode 1, then you know Anakin is Vader to begin with.
 
Exactly the point Society! I hadn't even thought of it before ... but the shock of Lukes parentage is a major factor in the orignal trilogy, and the new films totally draw that sting ...

>_<

It matter to me, OK?



Edit, I get what you're saying, having read you again ... but still ...
 
Society said:
Ruin it for who? People who start at episode 4?

If you start at episode 4, you do not know who anakin skywalker is. Nothing ruined.

If you start at episode 1, then you know Anakin is Vader to begin with.
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I never said ruin it. I said the shine has gone, it feels less a surprise in the context of the movie, since its already been given away basically
 
What I don't like it is that it changes Vader to some clueless oaf who's just finding out that Luke is his son.

In the original, Vader obviously already knows about Luke when talking to the emperor, whereas here, it's like it's coming as a complete surprise to him, which doesn't make his confrontation with Luke as, I'm not sure what word to use here, maybe "sinister":

Luke: He told me enough. He told me you killed him.

Vader: No, I am your father.

Luke: nooooooooooooooooo.

Vader: Yeah, freaky, eh? I just found out yesterday.
 
Boogie said:
What I don't like it is that it changes Vader to some clueless oaf who's just finding out that Luke is his son.

In the original, Vader obviously already knows about Luke when talking to the emperor, whereas here, it's like it's coming as a complete surprise to him, which doesn't make his confrontation with Luke as, I'm not sure what word to use here, maybe "sinister".

Luke: He told me enough. He told me you killed him.

Vader: No, I am your father.

Luke: nooooooooooooooooo.

Vader: Yeah, freaky, eh? I just found out yesterday.
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I was about to edit my post to include what u just said
 
Boogie said:
What I don't like it is that it changes Vader to some clueless oaf who's just finding out that Luke is his son.

In the original, Vader obviously already knows about Luke when talking to the emperor, whereas here, it's like it's coming as a complete surprise to him, which doesn't make his confrontation with Luke as, I'm not sure what word to use here, maybe "sinister":
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Agreed. The original made it clear, in hindsight, that Vader knew Luke was his son before his encounter with the Emperor. Hell, he probably had a good inkling when he was chasing Luke during the Death Star run. Now it makes Vader seem like a generic servant who can't think for himself.
 
Dan said:
Agreed. The original made it clear, in hindsight, that Vader knew Luke was his son before his encounter with the Emperor. Hell, he probably had a good inkling when he was chasing Luke during the Death Star run. Now it makes Vader seem like a generic servant who can't think for himself.
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I absolutely agree. Vader looks like less of an omnipotent god-villain and more like a forgetful errand boy.

It also changes the focus and tone of the story entirely. IV, V and VI was all about keeping track of what the heroes were up to and how they would eventually square off against the minions of the Empire - hence the revelation to Luke that Vader is his father is such a surprise to us all. Now the focus has shifted to telling us the story about Vader's redemption from the dark side. All of those little surprises will be gone. Vader won't be a villain who inspires fear anymore, but a character who's meant to inspire sympathy over his fall from grace.

His final redeeming moment - throwing the emperor into the reactor - is meant to overwhelm the audience with the realisation of the suddenness and magnitude of the action, his love for his son etc etc etc, and there's a sense of dramatic irony that comes from realising you have such a sudden admiration for a character you've been fearing/booing/hating for the last three movies.

With this re-write, audiences who are fresh to the story will be sitting there *hoping* for Vader to turn back to the good side, so when he eventually does toss Palpatine overboard, it won't be so much of a massive turning point as a Disney-style sugar-coated happy ending that everyone was hoping for.

It's horrible, being able to see this coming from so far away, but George Lucas is about to destroy my childhood.
 
It wouldn't matter what was done to the films at this point. People would bitch about anything.

And people needs to quit this rhetoric about Lucas "destroying your childhood." This melodrama is getting obnoxious.
 
IAmtheFMan said:
It wouldn't matter what was done to the films at this point. People would bitch about anything.

And people needs to quit this rhetoric about Lucas "destroying your childhood." This melodrama is getting obnoxious.
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You're right. People will "bitch" about anything being done to the films. What do most fans want? The original movies, left alone. How difficult would that have been. You can complain about our whining, but don't say that nothing will satisfy us. We wanted the Star Wars Trilogy. What we're getting is a hacked up version of it. Bottom line.
 
Yeah, you want the original scratched, worn, matte box'd effects, translucent snow speeders, shitty Rancor, puppet show, versions in stereo sound.
 
Warm Machine said:
Yeah, you want the original scratched, worn, matte box'd effects, translucent snow speeders, shitty Rancor, puppet show, versions in stereo sound.
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I want effects cleaned up. AND THAT'S IT. Don't be a douchebag :P
 
Warm Machine said:
Yeah, you want the original scratched, worn, matte box'd effects, translucent snow speeders, shitty Rancor, puppet show, versions in stereo sound.
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Nope.

I want a remastered, NO ADDITIONAL or EDITED footage, boxset.


Puppet show?

Oh shut the fuck up. I suppose you hate the human actors too?
 
*sigh*

It's not worth getting into another argument about this. The lines of the argument are always the same.

1: "We want the original trilogy, not some hacked up job"
2: "It doesn't matter, it's not your trilogy"
1: "Yes it is, once the filmmaker makes it, it's everybody's"
2: "Yes, to enjoy, but Iit's Lucas' artistic perogative to change it as he sees fit"
1: "But not change history"
2: "It's sheer nostalgia that's getting into your reasoning..."
1: "No, it's about preserving a film treasure"
2: "Well if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it"
1: "I'm not!"
2: "Well good!"
1: "Fine!
2: "Fine!"

A little abbreivated, but yeah Too much effort and time, and nobody ever changes their minds.
 
IAmtheFMan said:
*sigh*

It's not worth getting into another argument about this. The lines of the argument are always the same.

1: "We want the original trilogy, not some hacked up job"
2: "It doesn't matter, it's not your trilogy"
1: "Yes it is, once the filmmaker makes it, it's everybody's"
2: "Yes, to enjoy, but Iit's Lucas' artistic perogative to change it as he sees fit"
1: "But not change history"
2: "It's sheer nostalgia that's getting into your reasoning..."
1: "No, it's about preserving a film treasure"
2: "Well if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it"
1: "I'm not!"
2: "Well good!"
1: "Fine!
2: "Fine!"

A little abbreivated, but yeah Too much effort and time, and nobody ever changes their minds.
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Actually, no. I don't bother with any of that crap. I simply stop at the part where I say "Lucas is destroying the original trilogy". I don't argue about whether he has the right to hack it up; I don't give a damn. He IS hacking it up, and that's what I am complaining about, and will continue to comlain about.
 
IAmtheFMan said:
That's where you and I disagree then. None of the changes bother me; some I could've done without, some I enjoy.
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IFAWTP!!!!! A lot of the shit he's done to the films I really don't care for one way or the other, but it doesn't do anything to change the tone or theme of the movie.
 
You know, I am a big SW fan, and I kept pretty silent about this whole altering of these movies. But I figured, why not throw my opinion into the ring.


I think Lucas has every right to change this movie, whether it makes you people happy or not. I for one could care less. I dont think the changes were drastic in anyway. I dont think they destroyed the movies. I dont think they did anything negative to the trilogy. I do think that Lucas wanted to improve on an already good thing with updated technology to make the trilogy has a longer lasting appeal to fans of the new millenium, and to keep them in check with his "horrible" new prequels. I will say that the added scenes dont affect me one bit. So what, Han now speaks to Jabba in the hanger at Mos Eisley! Who cares. In the original cut of the film, that scene existed and Jabba was some big fat foreign dude in a bear skin coat. I like it better with the Jabba that I know from ROTJ. I think every added scene or FX was fine, with the exception of Greedo shooting first. I mean Han is a "Space Pirate" to use the term lightly and to make Greedo shoot first just makes Han look like a softy. ESB was another movie, where I thought all the added scenes and FX shots were fine, same with ROTJ. I just think that these SW uber Fans have built this image into their head of what these movies are, and now because the owner of these movies wants to try and make them better, it is destroying their image, and pissing them off. Well I say what the fuck. Let the man make a better trilogy. I dont mind.
 
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