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[The Shadow]

I'm trying to figure out what the apologists love more: Lucas's Star Wars movies or his hot chunky semen.

 

[Dan]

I'm trying to figure out what the apologists love more: Lucas's Star Wars movies or his hot chunky semen.

To the apologists they are one and the same.

 

[mattx5]

None of the changes bother me that much. I love Star Wars, and while I don't think Lucas should be fiddling around with the OT too much, none of the changes really detract from the experience...... except -

It's not about loving Star Wars.

It's about loving film

 

[BuddyC]

Yoda never really liked Anakin much anyways, so I don't get why they're all "WHEE LOOK AT US WE'RE GREAT FRIENDS TOGETHER FOREVER IN DEATH WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA"

fucking lucas. fucking fans.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

I don't consider myself a Lucas apologist; I didn't really like most of EP:1, and thought that EP:2 was really uneven, with a lot of hackneyed dialogue (but not quite as bad as the f*cking "yippees" in EP:1.)

But I still am able to enjoy the movies. Hell, the first time I saw EP:1, I enjoyed it, and EP:2 I very much enjoy watching as long as I have that "skip" button ready, but I FF through lots of parts of Empire and Jedi too.

Honestly, I don't think the PT movies are nearly as bad as everyone claims (I've heard "worst movies ever" crap far too many times) and the changes in the OT aren't that huge a deal as others make either.

I enjoy the movies for what they are; fun movies with a good story. I would not defend Lucas on anything (i.e. "yippees," Jar-Jar stepping in shit, Jar-Jar saying things, Jar-Jar being on camera, Howard the Duck) but I will defend what I enjoy.

 

[B-B-Bomba!]

Fine, FMan, that's up to you. It just seems from what you're saying that you aren't too big a fan of Star Wars in the first place? If to you it's just a pleasant way of idly snarfing back a bag of popcorn, then why trade opinions with those for whom, for better or worse, these films are an integral part of their identity? I'm serious - I take it that seriously! A lame example, but the only appropriate one I can think of, would be if God started rewriting parts of the Bible? Sorry if people find the analogy offensive, but it is only that ... cause religious people would be all like: 'wtf? We believed that crap, we were living it, and now you just want to make a few adjustments?' Whereas people who never went for religion in the first place would be all 'Meh ... '

L U K E: Who the fuck's this kid?

H AY D E N: I am soft, like your father.

A U D I E N C E: FUCK this ...

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

im not angry just about this but about all the stupid little changes.

especially the ending of return of the jedi.

 

[jett]

L U K E: Who the fuck's this kid?

H AY D E N: I am soft, like your father.

A U D I E N C E: FUCK this ...

Haha, that's priceless. Goddamn, I don't care too much for the other changes, but this is just too much. Re-editing RotJ to accomodate Lucas's no doubt shitty ass EP3 story/script. BLEH.

 

[mrklaw]

The one thing I still can't understand, is that for both the special editions and this version, they've gone back and redone special effects, including (for me) unnecessary CG monsters etc.

but in EpIV, they still leave the 'flying over a sheet of polystyrene' Trench sequence as is! Thats the most jarringly bad special effects sequence in the entire original trilogy for me - I don't mind the lightsabers, or most of the puppets. Just redo the fucking trench bit. It looks amateurish now.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Have you guys ever compared the holiday special acting and direction, with the original trilogy? My gosh, Lucas is definitely a god compared to that. Han loses practically all personality in it. Sure, it's not a big budget film, but eh, you can tell they didn't even try giving the actors some kind of direction. It's just kind of funny to compare the acting in both.

 

[Shinobi]

Heh, these threads always crack me up...

 

[Willco]

THE HEMPEROR SHOOTS FIRST!

 

[Ghost]

to be honest the first couple of times i watched RotJ i couldnt work out who the third ghost was (I guessed it was Anakin but couldnt tell at all by looking at him)..you only see him (David Prowse is it?) for like a minute and hes all dying and robotic and stuff, so he's not exactly recognisable in ghost form.

So this change probably would make more sense to people watching all the way from episode 1-6 who hadnt seen any of it before.

The emperor scene looks SO much better, he looked like an evil ewok in the original version, cant believe some of you are bitching about that one.

I do find it sad that Lucas is so insecure in his work he feels the need to nitpick and make small changes to the films that made him what he is, but they ARE his to fuck around with as he sees fit.

 

[BojTrek]

No David Prowse played Darth Vader in all of the original trilogy movies... under the costume.

But when Darth is unmasked, it is not David Prowse... it was an older actor.

David Prowse just had the height and build that was perfect for Darth Vader... James Earl Jones had the best voice for Darth...

I don't think people are mad about the new look of the Emperor scene, it looks great! It is that Lucas has changed the words and meaning of the scene... now Darth learns that Luke is his son through the Emperor. In the original cuts of the film, it is like Darth knew Luke was his son all along... these prequels are so fucked up, it has forced George Lucas to change his original ideas... STUPID George, very STUPID.

 

[belgurdo]

"Destroying my childhood?" Sorry, but that's kind of fucking pathetic, especially since these are little changes and not something like writing entire characters or events out of the movie or anything

 

[tedtropy]

I don't really mind the changes so much, although I think it would be nice if the DVDs included an 'Original Movie Mode' and an 'Enhanced Movie Mode'...

 

[3rdman]

I don't really mind the changes so much, although I think it would be nice if the DVDs included an 'Original Movie Mode' and an 'Enhanced Movie Mode'...

Everybody (even the hardcore enthusiasts) agree with you. But Lucas instead has seen fit to ignore all the requests from the fans by never offering a DVD version of the original. For now, the best and only way to keep a copy of the original version is through Laserdisc or a DVD rip of it.

 

[tedtropy]

Everybody (even the hardcore enthusiasts) agree with you. But Lucas instead has seen fit to ignore all the requests from the fans by never offering a DVD version of the original. For now, the best and only way to keep a copy of the original version is through Laserdisc or a DVD rip of it.

Well, I'm sure it won't be too long after the DVD releases that some clever fans re-edit rips of the DVD and splice in footage from the laserdiscs and remove any of Lucas' additions.

 

[mattx5]

What's better, the quality of the DVDs or the quality of the Laserdics?

What I think I'm gonna do is get a hold of the DVDs and Laserdiscs, keep the DVD transfer for most of the scenes (Assuming it's the one that looks better) and just edit out the new ROTJ ending with the old one.

With that scene Lucas is not only fucking with Star Wars, but with film in general. Having Luke look at a spirit (of his father) that's younger than him just sucks all the emotion out of the seen.

All the other changes don't bother me, just this one....

 

[Teddman]

The problem, as someone else on these boards said once, is that Lucas is changing the original three movies to fit the vastly inferior prequels. And it looks sloppy.

Not only does it screw with movies that were near perfect to begin with for the sake of movies that are mediocre at best, it shows that he hadn't planned out the first three installments as much as he'd let on. All of this clone saga stuff just feels so tacked on to me. He hasn't ruined the Star Wars saga, but he's bastardized it and diminished its power.

I do think in the far future, say a couple hundred years from now, the films will be watched largely in their original versions and the rereleases will be looked at as curiosities. And it will be prevailing public opinion to watch the original trilogy first.

Nobody in their right mind would want to experience Star Wars in Lucas' chronological order... Which is sad, because he's bending over backwards to that purpose in futility.

 

[BojTrek]

Exactly, PREQUELS suck... he should have gone into the future... that is why I hate Star Trek: Enterprise... I want future stories, not "we know you know the past history, now we will show you"

LAME... he should have paid Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher some big bucks and continue the story with another big, bad-ass villian.

 

[Tabris]

"Yoda never really liked Anakin much anyways, so I don't get why they're all "WHEE LOOK AT US WE'RE GREAT FRIENDS TOGETHER FOREVER IN DEATH WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA""

*Yoda with a very concerned face*

Yoda : Pain, suffering, death I feel. Something terrible has happened. Young Skywalker is in pain. Terrible pain.

Sounds like he cared.

 

[Incognito]

Actually, no. I don't bother with any of that crap. I simply stop at the part where I say "Lucas is destroying the original trilogy". I don't argue about whether he has the right to hack it up; I don't give a damn. He IS hacking it up, and that's what I am complaining about, and will continue to comlain about.

You're hacking up your posts. I don't like it. I'm going to complain about it until something is done!!

 

[3rdman]

What's better, the quality of the DVDs or the quality of the Laserdics?

What I think I'm gonna do is get a hold of the DVDs and Laserdiscs, keep the DVD transfer for most of the scenes (Assuming it's the one that looks better) and just edit out the new ROTJ ending with the old one.

With that scene Lucas is not only fucking with Star Wars, but with film in general. Having Luke look at a spirit (of his father) that's younger than him just sucks all the emotion out of the seen.

All the other changes don't bother me, just this one....

DVD is a better. Laserdisc is (in case you didn't know) an analog format similiar to VHS but a much better resolution (The share the same resolution as DVD, I believe). Well transfered films can look outstanding on Laserdisc, but the best output any player has is S-Video. One thing in which Laserdisc is superior in is sound. The PCM tracks are without compression and (I'm told) that the surround soundtracks for the Star Wars - Definitive Collection THX are simply awesome. Laserdiscs can also do DTS and DD but most transfers are simply 2CH surround.

 

[Makura]

Thats actually quite good, I like it. I don't see much difference between saying "The son of Skywalker" and "the offspring of Anakin Skywalker". Although, I understand why Vader asking if it's possible would upset some fans.

 

[BuddyC]

*Yoda with a very concerned face*

Yoda : Pain, suffering, death I feel. Something terrible has happened. Young Skywalker is in pain. Terrible pain.

Sounds like he cared.

Just cause he can sense Anakin broadcasting his angst through the Force doesn't mean that they were best buds. When ROTJ ended, you got the sense that Yoda, Obi and Anakin were a hell of a team back in the day. The prequels seem to contradict that, as Yoda doesn't trust Anakin much, nor is he that good of a friend - Yoda looking out for Anakin is more of a professional interest.

 

[Ristamar]

WE GOT DEATHSTAR!!!

:lol :lol :lol

 

[SteveMeister]

When ROTJ ended, you got the sense that Yoda, Obi and Anakin were a hell of a team back in the day.

5 seconds -- if that -- of footage gave you that impression?

 

[BuddyC]

5 seconds -- if that -- of footage gave you that impression?

*shakes fist*

Damn kids, get off my lawn!

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

According to this article...

"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them."

well now.

 

[Boogie]

Wow. For Lucas to say that makes him just about the biggest hypocrite in the film industry.

 

[Dan]

Wow. For Lucas to say that makes him just about the biggest hypocrite in the universe.

Fixed for accuracy.

A lot of people were jumping on him for that quote, and I wish more would. He's used the exact same argument people use against him, and yet he somehow dismisses it. Seriously, he's given people the exact ammo they need to fire right back at him. I get the feeling he's just taunting his fans.

 

[shantyman]

Fixed for accuracy.

A lot of people were jumping on him for that quote, and I wish more would. He's used the exact same argument people use against him, and yet he somehow dismisses it. Seriously, he's given people the exact ammo they need to fire right back at him. I get the feeling he's just taunting his fans.

His argument is that he is changing his films, while what he is talking in that quote is people changing other people's films (e.g. Turner colorizing something). There is a distinction.

 

[Dan]

His argument is that he is changing his films, while what he is talking in that quote is people changing other people's films (e.g. Turner colorizing something). There is a distinction.

Don't make me laugh.

"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them," said Star Wars creator George Lucas

There is no distinction.

 

[shantyman]

There is a distinction. He can do whatever the hell he wants to his own films. Whether he is pissing on the fans is another issue.

 

[Dan]

You're making this distinction up. You're putting words into Lucas' mouth, but he's spoken for himself and he's simply the biggest hypocrite ever.

"I am very concerned about our national heritage

This has nothing to do with who is making the changes.

and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them," said Star Wars creator George Lucas

And neither does this.

George Lucas isn't saying he's opposed to the colorizations because the Three Stooges aren't behind them. He's opposed because it's changing film history, and simultaneously America's history. That makes him a hypocrite. Period.

 

[Boogie]

There is a distinction. He can do whatever the hell he wants to his own films.

Yes he can, but that doesn't mean he's not being a hypocrite about it.

edit: what Dan said.

 

[Kon Tiki]

I dont understand why he did not save all these changes for some Special Edition DVDs. He is dead set against rewriting hisrtory.

The ownership bit is purely fucking ignorance. Star Wars was not a one man show, it took thousands of people to make it happen. Not one man should be able to destroy it.

 

[shantyman]

I dont understand why he did not save all these changes for some Special Edition DVDs. He is dead set against rewriting hisrtory.

The ownership bit is purely fucking ignorance. Star Wars was not a one man show, it took thousands of people to make it happen. Not one man should be able to destroy it.

SW fanboys sure get worked up don't they?

Bottom line, his vision, his movies. I won't argue the point any more though, we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

SW fanboys sure get worked up don't they?

At this point, I'm confused about what constitutes a fanboy.

 

[Boogie]

SW fanboys sure get worked up don't they?

You're the one with General Grievous as his avatar

 

[Great Wasabi Man]

From Maxim Lucas interview just before Ep2 came out

Maxim: When you look back at The Phantom Menace, is there anything you wish you’d done differently?
Lucas: No. I don’t think back that way.....

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigth

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

For now, the best and only way to keep a copy of the original version is through Laserdisc or a DVD rip of it.

heh....yup.

 

[Kon Tiki]

SW fanboys sure get worked up don't they?

Bottom line, his vision, his movies. I won't argue the point any more though, we'll just agree to disagree.

Huh? Again the point of ownership is asinine.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i like to believe that Lucas does all this shit on purpose just to piss off the fanboys that have taken 3 nice little movies and turned them into some kind of fucking cult.

 

[Spectral Glider]

George has every right to change his movies. I have every right to express that the original trilogy didn't need three prequals nor does it need endless fixing. I'm interested in knowing if there are people at Lucasfilm who have been instructed to alter these movies every 7-10 years when new technology deems the tech on film to be inferior. Is that the plan? Roll out a new DVD box set and keep selling it to the obsessed over and over and over again?

Hey George.....Meesa no gonna buy your box set!

 

[Shinobi]

Wow. For Lucas to say that makes him just about the biggest hypocrite in the film industry.

I thought this was known already? :lol

i like to believe that Lucas does all this shit on purpose just to piss off the fanboys that have taken 3 nice little movies and turned them into some kind of fucking cult.

:lol



I think the two basic points are these:

He has every right to do whatever he wants to his movies.

He should still release the original versions in some form, since the demand for them is obviously quite high.

Didn't Lucas maintain that he didn't even want to release Star Wars DVD till Blu-Ray hit? And then for whatever reason he changed his mind on that. Why? Consumer demand. So what's different here? No one would bitch about the changes if they had the original version included to view as well. I just don't get his attitude with this.

 

[cybamerc]

SW fanboys sure get worked up don't they?

The ppl bitching are not real fans. They just need something to complain about. For some people SW bashing has turned into a sport.

 

[Dan]

The ppl bitching are not real fans. They just need something to complain about. For some people SW bashing has turned into a sport.

The intelligent people who can see through Lucas' bullshit and understand that he's ruining film history are less fans than the Lucas and Star Wars apologists? Interesting...

Gotta love how on the Internet being a "fan" means accepting all the crap that's sent your way and not being able to think for yourself.

 

[cybamerc]

Gotta love how on the Internet being a "fan" means accepting all the crap that's sent your way and not being able to think for yourself.

Gotta love how on the Internet to be able to think for yourself you have to vehemently disagree with something.