Emulation on PSP.

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Angel

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So I've been a reader and member of GA for a little while now and though it about time that I post a topic, I've had a read through the TOS and I think that this topic is OK but if the powers that be feel this is against them please delete.

We all know that the PSP is a powerful handheld and from the comments from Sony we know that you will be able to run software from a memory stick this means emulators are very much possible, so the question is how far do you think the hardware can be pushed? my dream would be for PSone emulation but as I have no idea about coding emulators I dont know if this is possible, is it?

Also what are the possibities of a Divx/Xvid player being made aswell?

As I said i'm clueless about how people get this stuff up and running so it may not even be possible, just though that it would be good to play some of my favorite games on the a portable thats also got decent dev support for new releases.
 
I'm hoping for any non-3D hardware to be perfectly emu'd on PSP. And I'll be honest when I say I'm more interested in PSP's homebrew opportunities than the actual software lineup, which I'm sure will add fuel to the PSP hate from DS fans.
 
If it's easy to launch software fromt he stick then I'd expect the whole repitiore of MAME, SNESX to be ported in it's lifetime. Only downer is the lack of HDD built in - so you need expensive sticks, but it's really a case of keeping your fave roms onboard...10 / 20 for each system rather then a whole DVD-R (as in case of Xbox emus) with everything and kitchen skink thrown in. Emu / hombrew was a massive boon for Xbox...and I'd expect it to be same for PSP.
 
It's probably no different from consoles. You'll have to mod your system to make it run any "unauthorized" programs.
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I don't think you will have to mod it. I am sure people will come up with a way to play mame and even GBA games on it.
 
XS+ said:
Do you have to mod a GBA to run NES emulators?
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I'm not sure the GBA has much security built into it. PSP probably will, especially if you can run software from the memory stick. You would think Sony would want to control it to some extent. If you can run your own Divx, media players Sony's UMD movie format will be DOA.
 
seismologist said:
I'm not sure the GBA has much security built into it. PSP probably will, especially if you can run software from the memory stick. You would think Sony would want to control it to some extent. If you can run your own Divx, media players Sony's UMD movie format will be DOA.
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no one said it would be easy, but the haxors always prevail. im hoping for mame and GBA support myself.
 
no one said it would be easy, but the haxors always prevail. im hoping for mame and GBA support myself.
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Yes GBA emulation is kinda appealing, it certainly would be funny seeing a pokemon game running of a sony handheld (as long as you own the original cart):P
 
Angel said:
Yes GBA emulation is kinda appealing, it certainly would be funny seeing a pokemon game running of a sony handheld (as long as you own the original cart):P
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Ok, you want to play GBA games on it? Why not get the GBA or better yet a Nintendo DS!?? Am I missing something?
 
I do own a GBA and love it, but it would be easier to have one less gadget to carry round with me, dont get me wrong im not saying that everyone should go out and and buy a PSP just to play GBA games on but as I am buying a PSP anyway it just makes life easier.

To be honest the DS does not really appeal to me at the moment, but thats just me.
 
sohka88 said:
If there is anyone missing something on this forum it is you.
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Go fuck yourself. I have a problem with someone purchasing a PSP and thinking(oh it doesn't matter, I can still play my GBA games on it,) That shit is illegal and you sir and anybody else that thinks I'm the one missing something can just kiss my ass.
 
MrparisSM said:
Go fuck yourself. I have a problem with someone purchasing a PSP and thinking(oh it doesn't matter, I can still play my GBA games on it,) That shit is illegal and you sir and anybody else that thinks I'm the one missing something can just kiss my ass.
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Every time you post I lose one thousand brain cells.
 
MrParisSM: The point is that you can emulate the GBA on the PSP. Meaning you can run real GBA games, homebrew GBA games and all sorts of GBA projects in between. You can do it without having to lug around another GBA in your pocket. A memory stick is much smaller than a GBA Cart and some games. Aside that, the PSP should be able to do a wealth of other game platforms aside GBA.

It also makes the DS vs PSP choice easier :D

I'm expecting sub-N64. It should be able to do the most very basic and small PSX games without bogging down too much, but I don't expect a PSX emulator to be released for it.

However, IF a developer takes lots of time out to develop a High-Level Emulation, Very low or nonexistant overhead, Assembly PSX emu with lots of shortcuts and TONS of game specific testing, then I think we could see a PSX emulator comparable with the Early PC ones, though very buggy. Number of buttons and Analog stick is still a problem though.

SNES, Genesis, CPS1&2, Neo Geo, older Arcade (Non 3D, No Killer Instinct or heavy digitized games either, Later Mortal Kombat arcade games inclusive), NES, Master System, Game boy-Game Boy Advance, MSX and more should be possible on the PSP
 
Imagine playing GBA games on that big sexy bright beatiful screen!!! It even makes playing crappy games tolerable.
 
MrparisSM said:
Go fuck yourself. I have a problem with someone purchasing a PSP and thinking(oh it doesn't matter, I can still play my GBA games on it,) That shit is illegal and you sir and anybody else that thinks I'm the one missing something can just kiss my ass.
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Shut up, hippie.
 
I have a problem with someone purchasing a PSP and thinking(oh it doesn't matter, I can still play my GBA games on it,)
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you are amazinly dense. Do you actually think anyone thiks the above?
 
Thank you Vagabond, I was wondering if a PSX emulator would be pushing it a bit not that it matters im only really interested in some of the older consoles that have not really been emulated on a handheld yet i.e snes and megadrive.

Yes how can you forget that gorgeous screen :D
 
MrparisSM said:
Go fuck yourself. I have a problem with someone purchasing a PSP and thinking(oh it doesn't matter, I can still play my GBA games on it,) That shit is illegal and you sir and anybody else that thinks I'm the one missing something can just kiss my ass.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
 
Angel said:
So I've been a reader and member of GA for a little while now and though it about time that I post a topic, I've had a read through the TOS and I think that this topic is OK but if the powers that be feel this is against them please delete.

We all know that the PSP is a powerful handheld and from the comments from Sony we know that you will be able to run software from a memory stick this means emulators are very much possible, so the question is how far do you think the hardware can be pushed? my dream would be for PSone emulation but as I have no idea about coding emulators I dont know if this is possible, is it?

Also what are the possibities of a Divx/Xvid player being made aswell?

As I said i'm clueless about how people get this stuff up and running so it may not even be possible, just though that it would be good to play some of my favorite games on the a portable thats also got decent dev support for new releases.
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I have to admit I've thought of this, too. From a pure hardware perspective, the PSP should have the power to emulate just about any major personal computer or video game system from the SNES/Genesis/TG-16 generation and earlier. In addition, it should be able to emulate all the major handhelds from the GBA and earlier.

I don't know how easy it would be for an end user to download an emulator and transfer ROM/disk images onto a Memory Stick, and play them on the PSP. We'll likely see some commercial emulation projects, but homebrew emulators might not happen without some kind of modification to the hardware.

There are lots of modern PDAs that have emulators available. I've played several emulators on Pocket PC, and I've seen a couple early ones for the Zodiac (Palm OS device). If you're looking to get something soon, then a PDA might be a good alternative for your homebrew/emulation needs while waiting to see what happens with the PSP.

MrparisSM said:
Am I missing something?
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Do you really want to know? :D
 
I'm not too sure about PSP's current standing point, or if there are any groups willing to do stuff like that as of yet.

But as far as I know, guys over at gbatemp are already talking about SNES and even MAME emulation on the DS. Don't know about you, but SNES emu > *
 
speedpop said:
I'm not too sure about PSP's current standing point, or if there are any groups willing to do stuff like that as of yet.

But as far as I know, guys over at gbatemp are already talking about SNES and even MAME emulation on the DS. Don't know about you, but SNES emu > *
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What's going to happen is that the PSP emu scene is going to be almost just as active as the Dreamcasts'. Mostly because many of the same teams are going to be working on it and there's an easier way to transfer files to/from PSP. Vamp (Japanese emu programmer) Had hands on with the PSP but he hasn't gotten his own system yet. Once PSP security is circumvented, there'll be a huge boom especially if there's no modchip needed.

Development on PSP will far excel DS :P
 
if the PSP emulation scene is anything like the PS2 emulation scene.. i wouldn't hope for much... there are almost as many emulators for GameCube as there are for PS2...

but you can always hope... and you can fit quite a bit of stuff on a 1GB memory stick :)
 
Vagabond said:
MrParisSM: The point is that you can emulate the GBA on the PSP. Meaning you can run real GBA games, homebrew GBA games and all sorts of GBA projects in between. You can do it without having to lug around another GBA in your pocket. A memory stick is much smaller than a GBA Cart and some games. Aside that, the PSP should be able to do a wealth of other game platforms aside GBA.

It also makes the DS vs PSP choice easier :D

I'm expecting sub-N64. It should be able to do the most very basic and small PSX games without bogging down too much, but I don't expect a PSX emulator to be released for it.

However, IF a developer takes lots of time out to develop a High-Level Emulation, Very low or nonexistant overhead, Assembly PSX emu with lots of shortcuts and TONS of game specific testing, then I think we could see a PSX emulator comparable with the Early PC ones, though very buggy. Number of buttons and Analog stick is still a problem though.

SNES, Genesis, CPS1&2, Neo Geo, older Arcade (Non 3D, No Killer Instinct or heavy digitized games either, Later Mortal Kombat arcade games inclusive), NES, Master System, Game boy-Game Boy Advance, MSX and more should be possible on the PSP
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Thanks for the intelligent response Vagabond. I understand the benefits of emulation and I can definitely see how cool all this stuff would be on one device. I just don't personally condone it, especially if it's emulating hardware that isn't even extinct yet. The GBA is still selling very well, and I think it would set a dangerous precendent if a competing Sony handheld was allowed to emulate another competitors games on it's systems. But anyway, I'm through. I'm not gonna type anything on here for a minute. Everything I say I get attacked or some jackass has something smart to say. It's all good. Thanks for the response. I just got my DS today, so I'll be busy playing that for a minute. :)
 
Vagabond said:
Development on PSP will far excel DS :P
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Couldn't care less which excels which since I'll be getting both - as long as they are easily accessible then I will be satisfied somewhat a little more with their purchases :D
 
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I emulate the NES and the GB (not as good as the NES' emulator) on the GBA, for convenience's sake, relatively often, plus MS sometimes (again, just decent). And I love it. Being able to run MAME on that hell of an LCD would be so good I'm at a loss for words. But first, whichever security the PSP's built in with has to be bypassed, and second, all that stuff has to be ported. That's not easy, and 3D stuff makes it a hell of a lot more complicated. N64 or PSX emulators are, as far as I know, very unstable on a PC. It's kinda pointless. But being able to play old 16-bit not-abandonware-but-quite would be... aw. Good, so good. Not a reason to buy a ~$200 system (plus memory), but definitely a plus for us interested in taking advantage of that feature. I hope the scene's going to be as good as Vagabond predicts.

Running GBA on PSP would be... curious... just like Linux on Xbox...
 
"Thanks for the intelligent response Vagabond. I understand the benefits of emulation and I can definitely see how cool all this stuff would be on one device. I just don't personally condone it, especially if it's emulating hardware that isn't even extinct yet. The GBA is still selling very well, and I think it would set a dangerous precendent if a competing Sony handheld was allowed to emulate another competitors games on it's systems. But anyway, I'm through. I'm not gonna type anything on here for a minute. Everything I say I get attacked or some jackass has something smart to say. It's all good. Thanks for the response. I just got my DS today, so I'll be busy playing that for a minute. "

Didn't Nintendo take out, about a year or so ago, some pre-emptive legal action in regards to GBA emulation?

I remember saying at the time "pre-emptive measure" - because it would obviously be upsetting for them.

Me personally - i own a GBA , and the roms i run on it, so i've no qualms about emulating. Mame is where it is at though. That would be awesome.
 
aerodynamik said:
That's not easy, and 3D stuff makes it a hell of a lot more complicated. N64 or PSX emulators are, as far as I know, very unstable on a PC.
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N64 and PSX emulators are extremely stable for PC and have been for several years now. Granted a handfull of games aren't emulated well, but overall the vast majority of them emulate perfectly.
 
The Faceless Master said:
if the PSP emulation scene is anything like the PS2 emulation scene.. i wouldn't hope for much... there are almost as many emulators for GameCube as there are for PS2...

but you can always hope... and you can fit quite a bit of stuff on a 1GB memory stick :)
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The PSP Uses a more conventional processor, as well as a faster way to move data from PC to product. It'll be VASTLY different. IIRC the PSP uses the same CPU as the CPUs in other Sony PDAs. I actually expect an early port of a PDA OS (WinCE?) to the PSP when it's cracked, which will vastly enhance function.

MrparisSM said:
Thanks for the intelligent response Vagabond. I understand the benefits of emulation and I can definitely see how cool all this stuff would be on one device. I just don't personally condone it, especially if it's emulating hardware that isn't even extinct yet. The GBA is still selling very well, and I think it would set a dangerous precendent if a competing Sony handheld was allowed to emulate another competitors games on it's systems.
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No problem :D

Your mindset mirrors the majority of this forums' opinion. Believe me. It is illegal to emulate the Game Boy Advance, Color or even the older Game Boys (And N64) Because Nintendo has gotten a patent for the hardware architecture. Sony isn't allowing anything and if anything they would be dismayed anyone would intentionally want to reverse-engineer their product. (Remember the changes they made to the PSX and PS2 to avert that?)

Most people here understand how you feel, and I'm sure most agree with you. However, they don't enter a thread and are so abrasive (To put it lightly). I think you do know what that means. If even a fraction of the people here who read that thread and responded like you did, this thread would have been WAAAY off course. However, they saw the topic matter, and left it alone.

speedpop said:
Couldn't care less which excels which since I'll be getting both - as long as they are easily accessible then I will be satisfied somewhat a little more with their purchases
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With the DS you'll, at the least, have to purchase a flash card. Basically like the GBA.

aerodynamik said:
and second, all that stuff has to be ported. That's not easy, and 3D stuff makes it a hell of a lot more complicated. N64 or PSX emulators are, as far as I know, very unstable on a PC.
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Yes, we need the ability to code something on a development kit. Here's hoping one leaks, or a library is made. I Don't think everything will be ported, though, as the PSP isn't the Xbox. You'll be using different processors and a different way of coding.
 
Vagabond said:
The PSP Uses a more conventional processor, as well as a faster way to move data from PC to product. It'll be VASTLY different. IIRC the PSP uses the same CPU as the CPUs in other Sony PDAs. I actually expect an early port of a PDA OS (WinCE?) to the PSP when it's cracked, which will vastly enhance function.
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No, the PSP uses a modified version of the EE, plus a Media Processor for movie playback.
WinCE would be totally useless. Embedded Linux is what we need.
 
GBA games running on the PSP screen would look about the size of a thumbtack. The black bars would be so huge It would look kind of silly.actually.
 
With the PSP's screen resolution it can pretty much emulate any older system perfectly without cropping/down-sampling, right? I hate how GBA's resolution isn't high enough to fully display 16 and 8-bit games, resulting in either less detailed sprites or screen cropping.

seismologist said:
GBA games running on the PSP screen would look about the size of a thumbtack. The black bars would be so huge It would look kind of silly.actually.
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You can always stretch/upscale, with the PSP's power they can probably throw in some nice filtering/smoothing/AA to boot.
 
pcostabel said:
No, the PSP uses a modified version of the EE, plus a Media Processor for movie playback.
WinCE would be totally useless. Embedded Linux is what we need.
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Oh. How horrible. I expect the PSP to increase interest in the emu scene for the PS2 and PSP. It'll be better.

I expect full, functional ports of the following emus that are on the PS2 (These systems are emud on the PS2, and I expect ports to PSP soon, seeing as they use similar processors);

Atari 5200
Commodore 64
Neo Geo CD
NES
BBCMicro
Master System/Game Gear
Genesis
SNES
TG16/PCEngine

You'll notice a lack of arcade.

Here is a list of consoles emulated on the PS1. I am thinking that the I/O processor has something to do with it. This is just thrown out there:

Galaxian
Invaders
Phoenix/Pleiads
GameBoy
NES
Spectrum

Not encouraging YET! BUT! There will be drastically increased interest with the release of the PSP.
 
My main concern about emulation on PSP is a SNES emulator. Just release an emu that runs fine (sound / graphics) and PSP will be the best system ever.
Anyways regarding more powerful emulation...Why not ? It has enough power to do PSX emulation without problems.
 
Insertia said:
N64 and PSX emulators are extremely stable for PC and have been for several years now. Granted a handfull of games aren't emulated well, but overall the vast majority of them emulate perfectly.
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Mmm, I ran into problems last time I tried to emulate Mario 64 (I own the system and the cartridge, but I wanted a certain screenshot), an early game, and a friend got very mad not long ago when his saves for Paper Mario 1 got messed and had to restart :/.

Maybe you're right, but that's my experience (2 out of 2).
 
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