It's free to download and the fan translation is easy to apply. What's the problem?
Yoishi obviously has a thing for the dead and the protagonist was definitely possessed
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It's free to download and the fan translation is easy to apply. What's the problem?
R_thanatos
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Lol don't play both games at the same time lol.it's totally not recommanded.
Believe me, you should finish EVER17 first .
Believe me, you should finish EVER17 first .
Ah, you know.. Tsugumi's route really got better towards the end and I started thinking that maybe I should finish Ever17 completely first, and now your post just reinforced the idea... :V
It'd be pretty hard to come from a 3d game to a visual novel like this anyway.
Anyway, the
(it's a jpnese story, this shouldn't be a spoiler but i still tagged it) by the end but goddamn it do I have a soft spot for that kind of stuff. And here I was, hating Tsugumi just some hours ago. Hoping to see more of the same in the other routes too.
Ever17 and second playthrough, here I come! If I start now, around 3pm, maybe I won't be forced to play till 4am again lol.
late edit: playing as kid now and holy shit does takeshi have the most irritating laugh ever. i thought he was an idiot when i played as him and now he's really showing it.
even later edit: here i am, writing, all by my lonesome... lol
anyway just finished sara's route and it was so goddamn heartwarming i think i'm catching a fever. most of my guesses about the plot have been right so far but i'm still expecting to get fucking blown away by the true route. here we go!
holy shit what the hell is going on
It'd be pretty hard to come from a 3d game to a visual novel like this anyway.
Anyway, the
romance got pretty cheesy
Ever17 and second playthrough, here I come! If I start now, around 3pm, maybe I won't be forced to play till 4am again lol.
late edit: playing as kid now and holy shit does takeshi have the most irritating laugh ever. i thought he was an idiot when i played as him and now he's really showing it.
even later edit: here i am, writing, all by my lonesome... lol
anyway just finished sara's route and it was so goddamn heartwarming i think i'm catching a fever. most of my guesses about the plot have been right so far but i'm still expecting to get fucking blown away by the true route. here we go!
holy shit what the hell is going on
Sorry for the double post
just finished Ever17 and I think I'll spend the rest of the evening collecting parts of my brains and mind from the room
i am utterly speechless
Normally I'd say it was a 5/5 experience but because it has lost all meaning, I have to say it was at least 10/5
Every single detail made sense in the end. Everything. This is probably the most beautifully crafted story I have ever read. And the ending... it was perfect. I couldn't have hoped for anything better. Most of all it was... conclusive.
Usually endings leave me with the feeling that I NEED more, that it wasn't perfect just yet. But not this time. I mean yes, of course I'd absolutely love to get more, like a
or something. Now I "just" want more, I'm still absolutely content with what I've got. I loved the fact how
I do have some questions about
, but I can't be bothered to think about it right now.
So good. So very, fucking fantastic, in fact. I need to take a break before I tackle VLR.
just finished Ever17 and I think I'll spend the rest of the evening collecting parts of my brains and mind from the room
i am utterly speechless
Normally I'd say it was a 5/5 experience but because it has lost all meaning, I have to say it was at least 10/5
Every single detail made sense in the end. Everything. This is probably the most beautifully crafted story I have ever read. And the ending... it was perfect. I couldn't have hoped for anything better. Most of all it was... conclusive.
Usually endings leave me with the feeling that I NEED more, that it wasn't perfect just yet. But not this time. I mean yes, of course I'd absolutely love to get more, like a
short slice of life manga about tsugumi's and takeshi's and their kids' life
slice of life-ish the ending itself was. I was expecting some cheesy romantic ending. I like those, no doubt about that, but this was really the best way to end the story in my opinion. I was also afraid it'd end in a bittersweet way, where some got what they wanted and others didn't because that's how the stories seem to usually end in VNs.
I do have some questions about
Blick Winkel and his/her/its decisions
So good. So very, fucking fantastic, in fact. I need to take a break before I tackle VLR.
Just so you know, there IS actually more (including exactly what you described, though it's a really short part). Just look for the 2 drama CDs, there are subtitles floating around. They have some post-game stories.
But yeah you should have a ton of questions! Check this out if you feel like getting some nice explanations. The "kick the can" stuff are what had me stumped when I played, so this page was a lifesaver.
R_thanatos
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Congrats ..and yeah the way everything join in the true route is something else you don't see in many Vns ..
So, I also played Ever 17 recently, but posted in the LTTP thread. So I'll just copy and paste that here to get atleast some discussion going on and hopefully have some people shed more light on my questions. The link above provides an answer to the Kick the Can thing already.
So much questions! The kick the can thing is a bit more clear now. So it's only BW who hears the counting and the can and that's why nobody freaks out, right?
So much questions! The kick the can thing is a bit more clear now. So it's only BW who hears the counting and the can and that's why nobody freaks out, right?
That's the beauty of
Oh yeah, I disliked You's name. It was distracting seeing something like "You entered the room" on the screen when my brain automatically assumes it's "The player character entered the room".
time travelling. The BW telling You to summon BW later is a very "standard" stable time loop. He does exist, because he was summoned in 2034. When he goes back in time, he puts in motion the plan to summon him in 2034. Thus the loop continues. As it's a loop, it doesn't have a start or an ending so it kind of just... Works.
The others can hear the can. It has to do with the theme about something existing, if you believe it exists. In short, BW believed it would happen, and this reflected to others, so they heard it. It's the same how BW can talk to You in 2017.
The others can hear the can. It has to do with the theme about something existing, if you believe it exists. In short, BW believed it would happen, and this reflected to others, so they heard it. It's the same how BW can talk to You in 2017.
Oh yeah, I disliked You's name. It was distracting seeing something like "You entered the room" on the screen when my brain automatically assumes it's "The player character entered the room".
As far as the
ending goes, it's also referenced in the link (Predestination paradox). It's not just that Blick Winkel went back to the past to cause his awakening in the future - it's that he HAD to do it or he wouldn't exist in the first place, making it a closed loop paradox.
For the kick-the-can,
In 2017, Pipi kicked the can. It's presented as a mystery to the player (and to BW) (it HAS to be a mystery) because BW had a temporary memory loss, caused by the inconsistency with 2034's game... but I'm pretty sure everyone else figured out it was Pipi and that's why they didn't freak out. Because BW was so confused by this unsolved mystery, he projected that same mystery into 2034, only no one actually kicked the can this time (and it stayed in place, obviously). As proof, he hears Takeshi in the rest area, because he expects him to be there due to 2017.
If the kick-the-can is still confusing to you then that's normal, but I can't really make it any simpler.. sorry (I can try to explain any part of it again if you want). Rest assured it had me confused for a long long time, I even made diagrams about it, geez. It's the only mystery in Ever17 that is
a mystery to the players by canon, and just wouldn't work/make sense if it was explained to us
It still doesn't make that much sense to me.
! ARRGGGH
I get what this predestination paradox is supposed to be, but it still doesn't make sense. It's almost like it says; don't think about it, it just works. Maybe I'm thinking about the grandfather paradox a bit too much. I get that the events occur because he will travel back in time in the future, but it just doesn't make sense
Maybe you're just thinking about the original starting point
(when they got into the closed loop)
First of all think of BW in terms of alternate timelines - if BW didn't wake himself up, that would create a new timeline that would branch off from there and carry on its own (and then fall apart, like it did in the game, because it can't exist outside of the loop, but the point still stands).
As far as how the "starting point", and combine this with the alternate timeline thing, he doesn't really "go back in time", more like he's everywhere at all times. That includes all timelines, i.e. all routes besides Tsugumi/Coco and all other possibilities that don't involve his awakening). Therefore in his perspective, the closed loop exists as just another timeline he can look into. The only reason he interferes outside of his interest, causing the closed loop, is because Hokuto's connection pressures him to do it.
As a 4D being he's supposed to look at all timelines from the outside as if they were a bunch of lines on paper.
But yeah it's still a paradox. That's sorta what paradoxes.. DO.
As far as how the "starting point", and combine this with the alternate timeline thing, he doesn't really "go back in time", more like he's everywhere at all times. That includes all timelines, i.e. all routes besides Tsugumi/Coco and all other possibilities that don't involve his awakening). Therefore in his perspective, the closed loop exists as just another timeline he can look into. The only reason he interferes outside of his interest, causing the closed loop, is because Hokuto's connection pressures him to do it.
As a 4D being he's supposed to look at all timelines from the outside as if they were a bunch of lines on paper.
But yeah it's still a paradox. That's sorta what paradoxes.. DO.
Red_taiyaki
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That's the thing with stories revolving
time travel/parallel universes there's always logical inconsistencies
I just got passed the point in Steins;Gate when shit gets real. Even though, I saw the anime, I simply want to lock myself away in a room for a few days and plow through the last half of the game. So fucking good, and it expands on topics the anime touched one for a few sentences or so.
Ah okay, makes a lot more sense now. I forgot about the fact that
Blink Winkel is a 4D being. So basicly when Hokuto started interfering with BW he sort off became 3D for awhile? But only in that particular timeline?
Thanks for trying to explain it, helped me out quite a bit
.I can't bring myself to play the Steins;Gate VN after I've seen the anime
I've learned the hard way to never watch the anime if you plan to play through the VN.
R_thanatos
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Ahah the anime ignored many cool things so youll be extra surprised at some points
Red_taiyaki
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Works the other way too. If you play the VN first, the anime seems shitty in comparison....Little Busters I'm looking at you.
I can't bring myself to play the Steins;Gate VN after I've seen the anime
I actually thought in Steins;Gate's case it held up really well.
I might be alone on that though. But White Fox did an amazing job to me.
The S;G anime was definitely great, but you just can't beat the art of the VN
Haha of course not. But I didn't expect huke's god-tier designs to transition well. Although it has its ups:
Nostalgia Drive
Nostalgia Drive
Well that's one of the reasons why I can't bring myself to play the VN. The anime was really, really good. In fact, it's one of the best I've seen, one of the rare that was very close to making me tear up in some parts.
The first time through I didn't see the extra episode or whatever it was, and it ended with
Kurisu passing by Rintarou in the streets and not noticing him
super sweet heartwarming aww ending
And I'm not a very good reader. The story has to be REALLY interesting to make me read it in book or VN form that have no or very scarce audio-visual elements. The animations imo made the emotional impact even bigger. That's why I can't really bring myself to play the VN. It'd feel like.. Well, not ruining the story obviously but something like that. It has all those 'extra' routes which would be interesting, but they wouldn't feel "right" when I've seen the true canon route already :V
It's one of those things that I can't very well put in words. Hopefully there aren't too many elitist VN readers here to lay judgement on me for liking the anime more lol
creid
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What are your impressions of the English patch? It's starting to set in that no official English version is really ever coming, so I may as well finally play it.
Mamont1537
Member
Wait, it was a scene right at the end of the last episode, but Kurisu definitely noticed Okabe and said her usual "I'm not Cristina or your assistant!" even it was a different timeline, which made you realize that everything was going to be well for them.
Just to add to that list!
The Nitro+CHiRAL game Dramatical Murder is also being worked on. Translation is complete, script editing is at ~76% and actual formatting/inserting is at some +50% or so.
Once its fandisk (Dramatical Murder re:connect) hits the stores work on that too will commence.
This. (Mostly because 99% of the time, Anime adaptations just rape the original material, see Higurashi, Umineko or C;H... actually no, don't see them.
)R_thanatos
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This. (Mostly because 99% of the time, Anime adaptations just rape the original material, see Higurashi, Umineko or C;H... actually no, don't see them.
I disagree on higurashi..umineko and chaos head , yes had very poor adaptation but higurashi , like stein gate did a very good job .
There comes a moment where you can't adapt everything , and everything doesn't work as well from medium to medium.
Umineko and steinsgate are fine. The vns are superior , yes but the anime is more than enough
This. (Mostly because 99% of the time, Anime adaptations just rape the original material, see Higurashi, Umineko or C;H... actually no, don't see them.
To a point, and I think that just harkens back to the familiar argument regarding all forms of adaptation. One will always inform the other, and obviously, we always have some inherent bias with these things. My stance has changed over time, though. I usually see most things as a companion piece, rather than replacing the source material. As long as it has a positive effect on those who consume it, I don't see the problem. I mean, for better or worse, I probably wouldn't have been aware of SG, had the anime not become a thing.
But with that said, this will be my first real foray into VN's , so I'll be curious to see what I make of it. Maybe I'll end up eating my words...
And hello! This looks like a nice little thread/community you have going.
You sure? I'm somewhat convinced it was left open. Well.. At least the extra episode confirms
they both still love each other, then
Guess I have to re-watch it again in a few weeks then! I was thinking of checking out some anime again, it's been long since I've watched any. First I'm gonna watch through Ghibli's production though.
e: Higurashi anime was great
Higurashi is a terrible adaption. They butchered pretty much everything but the first arc. Rei is missing half of the plot, entire plot points were dropped, backstories were cut and the arcs most emotional moments were either downplayed or absent. It's a Tsukihime-level of adaptation and no way representative of the VN quality.
The English patch isn't perfect, a lot of simple grammar mistakes. But overall, it does the job quite nicely, and you won't ever feel confused by the translation. I would highly recommend playing SG with the current patch than wait for JAST to release the game in 2034.
I hope White Fox animate Linear Bounded Phenogram.
R_thanatos
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i believe this is a case of things being impossible to adapt from another medium ..you can't just cram the amount of backstory of higurashi into episodes like that.
I haven't seen rei , but i have seen the original and "kai" and i do remember them adding another chapter for kai to add backstory they forgot to in it.
Similar argument could be made for steinsgate ( since they did ignore a large chunk of backstory ) yet the anime works very well.
I tried to read the VN of Higurashi and then watch the anime in between arcs, but that was a failure. I had to quit that and go VN-only at the end of the second arc because I couldn't take the heavy butchery anymore. It's also made me super wary of VN->anime adaptations and I now try to avoid most of them if I can.
amishpriest99
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I'm totally ready to break down and get it. The anime was sooooo good.
Hot damn, that's exciting to read!
cj_iwakura
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Long way from finishing the Steins;Gate VN, but I started the anime to get a taste for the dub.
Wonderful stuff, especially Kyouma. (30 hours and I'm only at Chapter 5 of the VN...)
Only watching the first couple episodes, I always do the VN first, but at least this anime's supposed to be worth watching(and so far I agree).
Wonderful stuff, especially Kyouma. (30 hours and I'm only at Chapter 5 of the VN...)
Only watching the first couple episodes, I always do the VN first, but at least this anime's supposed to be worth watching(and so far I agree).
I think the Higurashi anime was an 'okay' adaptation. It certainly isn't bad and is very enjoyable in its own way, but my main problem is that it (the first season, anyway) tries to be a horror anime. They cut out a lot of content that are more about the relationships between the characters, which is actually what the story is about.
They did kinda fix this a bit in the second season, but by that time the damage had already been done and a lot of people got turned off by it since they had got used to Higurashi being a horror story even though it isn't really.
Red_taiyaki
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Did you ever play Demonbane?
cj_iwakura
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Uh, aren't SnU and the science series by entirely different writers/developers?
Uh... Sort of. Nitro+ (developers of SnU) collaborated with 5pb. to create both C;H and S;G. R;N is the first game of the series where N+ hasn't been involved.
However, the writer for the science series has always been someone from the 5pb. side, iirc. (not too sure about C;H, almost sure about S;G)
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
cj_iwakura
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As far as I can tell, no. I have no clue how it affects relationships, either.
cj_iwakura
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I think it makes me sad that this got more attention than Phenomeno. (Well, if you believe any attention is good attention that is...)
Okay, so it doesn't have a discernible able effect on potential endings or anything? I understand that this may be veering into potential spoiler territory, so feel free to answer accordingly.
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