Enjoy laughing at the UK over the Online Safety Act?

kruis said:
There are politicians already clamoring for and end to anonymity in order to make the internet "safer".


Here's an example of the Spanish prime minister holding a speech at the WEF meeting in Davos and asking for end of anonimity:

"Sánchez he would propose legislation aimed at ending anonymity for social media users when the EU's leaders meet in Brussels on March 20-21.
His idea is for each username to be a pseudonym that must be registered under a real identity with European authorities, using a "European digital identity wallet."

"This way citizens could use nicknames if they want, but in the case of a crime, public authorities would be able to connect those nicknames to real people and hold them responsible," he said.

Sánchez argued that "no one can send packages without showing an I.D. or buy a hunting weapon without giving their name, and yet we are allowing people to roam freely on social networks without linking their profiles to a real identity. This paves the way for misinformation, hate speech and cyber harassment because it is facilitating the use of bots and it is allowing people to act without being held accountable for their actions."

The proposal, however, clashes with longstanding demands of digital rights groups, which say that protection of online anonymity is important to protect freedom of speech and removing it could have a chilling effect. Such groups say anonymity is a cornerstone of online communications and a critical tool to challenge authority and express controversial opinions. "


Well, the EU is busy working on digital IDs. The forthcoming EU age verification app will of course be linked to a digital ID. When the EU has already forced all European internet users to use a digital ID and an official EU verification app, it will make it much easier to add more "functionality" to the system ...
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Yeah man, it's coming. Just a matter of time. People need to understand how much the net has changed since the masses entered with the smartphone and social media. Man, the internet IS more reality than real life when it comes to gen z (in terms of time spent). Anonymity was doomed to fall.

I read somewhere that there are plans to allow porn only to be uploaded if the videos are tagged with the real names of the participants. I can fully see that coming. That'll put a big dent into the industry… I honestly don't mind too much. I still remember what I had to go through to get to my first porn and by that time I was already a teens. Just imagine today… You can watch your kids as much as you like, on of their friends will have some videos for sure.
 
The thing is we really need all this stuff. Kids shouldn't have access to hard core porn with a couple of clicks, kids shouldn't be able to go on social media and interact with adults without any safe guards, and adults shouldn't be able to go social media masquerading as kids. Kids shouldn't be preyed on by mtx riddled games with addiction loops engineered in.
The problem is that no-one trusts any government to not abuse the power it would give them.
For those who say its up to the parents - you can prepare your kids for this, but you can't really keep them from the internet unless you police their entire lives.
 
YCoCg said:
Some of you are missing the forest from the trees here, Americans, that bill that's about to be submitted will bring this shit to you! Do something now!
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Go to GovTrack and look up Kids Online Safety Act. You'll see it's been introduced several times in both the House and the Senate over the last several years. Usually by the same handful of sponsors and cosponsors. They've died every time.

This latest one only has a 15% prediction to pass.
 
The scariest part of this isn't the bullshit reasons to protect kids from porn and suicide that's just the excuse to pass the law. It's whatever the state seems inappropriate.

It's already being used to block anything to do with anti immigration. Videos that show anti immigration are already reporting to need an online check to view.

I bet the gaza loving terrorists don't have that block on their protests.
Or all the left wing notjobs fighting for refugees.

Oldest play in the book. Protect our kids just silence narratives don't align with the mainstream narrative
 
poppabk said:
The thing is we really need all this stuff. Kids shouldn't have access to hard core porn with a couple of clicks, kids shouldn't be able to go on social media and interact with adults without any safe guards, and adults shouldn't be able to go social media masquerading as kids. Kids shouldn't be preyed on by mtx riddled games with addiction loops engineered in.
The problem is that no-one trusts any government to not abuse the power it would give them.
For those who say its up to the parents - you can prepare your kids for this, but you can't really keep them from the internet unless you police their entire lives.
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You can police it as a parent for the most part very easily.

You simply whitelist sites and regularly check what they are up to by looking over their shoulders. Devices can be set up to see their activity. Their friends are an issue, but you can still control that for the most part.

Most of all though, you just raise them properly to be resilient and reasonable. And don't alienate them, so they'll talk to you about their online activity openly, even if only eventually.
 
poppabk said:
This literally already exists in large parts of the US.
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17 states already have a porn online age verification law.

It's not about the porn it's the principle. Anonymity is dead and the internet is just another corporate and government controlled hellscape. It's not the future I want.
 
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Tams said:
You can police it as a parent for the most part very easily.

You simply whitelist sites and regularly check what they are up to by looking over their shoulders. Devices can be set up to see their activity. Their friends are an issue, but you can still control that for the most part.

Most of all though, you just raise them properly to be resilient and reasonable. And don't alienate them, so they'll talk to you about their online activity openly, even if only eventually.
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Yeah I have done all that and my kids have been good enough to come to me with dodgy interactions. But locking down tech is a job in itself - and could be completely undone with a $20 burner cellphone.
 
poppabk said:
Yeah I have done all that and my kids have been good enough to come to me with dodgy interactions. But locking down tech is a job in itself - and could be completely undone with a $20 burner cellphone.
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If you're even a half decent parent, you'd soon find that burner phone and make a big show of destroying it.

Of course, the trust needs to go both ways. There's no need to read their messages, but seeing how much time and in what applications is important.

Sadly, many parents are just not up to it. That doesn't mean we should be giving the state so much control.
 
Tams said:
If you're even a half decent parent, you'd soon find that burner phone and make a big show of destroying it.

Of course, the trust needs to go both ways. There's no need to read their messages, but seeing how much time and in what applications is important.

Sadly, many parents are just not up to it. That doesn't mean we should be giving the state so much control.
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How would you find it? Even assuming you are doing a search of your kids room and the rest of your house like you are tossing a jail cell - unscrewing vents, pulling up floor boards, searching crawl spaces, inside other electronics - your kid probably would have a better hiding place than you can think of.
 
poppabk said:
How would you find it? Even assuming you are doing a search of your kids room and the rest of your house like you are tossing a jail cell - unscrewing vents, pulling up floor boards, searching crawl spaces, inside other electronics - your kid probably would have a better hiding place than you can think of.
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There's no need to be some SWAT team and upturn their room.

You observe their behaviour and try to catch them using it if you suspect something.

You won't catch everything, but nor should you try to. Any gaps should be covered by instilling resilience and common sense.
 
poppabk said:
How would you find it? Even assuming you are doing a search of your kids room and the rest of your house like you are tossing a jail cell - unscrewing vents, pulling up floor boards, searching crawl spaces, inside other electronics - your kid probably would have a better hiding place than you can think of.
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Pretty controversial take here but you are mainly just a parent until their teenage years after that you become more of an advisor and just hope you instilled enough knowledge and respect into them that they make the right choices

Or you can just buy a cell phone jammer and stick it in the attic above their room ;)
 
UK better hope in their next election they can repeal this. But the problem is that when new people come into power they will want to be able to control the narrative too. So the government in and of itself will never be motivated through its own good graces the restore rights.

A country that forced their king to sign the manga carta can force the restoration of rights and privileges.
 
poppabk said:
Back in September last year, Australia announced a ban on social media for kids and the main sentiment in that thread was that it was a good idea and that social media was trash.
Now everyone is pro social media for kids - what changed?
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They realized they now have to deal with their kids and don't know how to communicate with them?
 
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Tams said:
There's no need to be some SWAT team and upturn their room.

You observe their behaviour and try to catch them using it if you suspect something.

You won't catch everything, but nor should you try to. Any gaps should be covered by instilling resilience and common sense.
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Agreed.

I'm not a parent, but just like anything in life there's only so much anyone can do when it comes to watching someone and hoping for the best. Parent, boss, fam or friend, you arent going to lock them up with chains being a prison warden. But if you can do the right thing and be a good person, give some good advice and hope the person learns and grows. .Just like I do my best being one part chill fun uncle and one part school, career and hockey tips advice guy.

And also hope the person is self aware enough to inherently know what is right and wrong. You dont need the best parents or best boss in the world to have kids or workers know to not doing anything too idiotic in life. If they do go ape shit, it's more on them. You got some abnormally uncontrolled morons to get along with. I didnt need mom and dad to lecture me about not trying to somehow get Penthouse mags, do good in school and not steal or do drugs. You just kind of know what hot topics not to do dumb shit. And if you do, you already know mom or dad would get pissed.

But maybe when it comes to home life it does take a little bit of grounding for two weeks or smack their ass to get them in line instead of letting them steamroll your own household. It makes no sense kids should be ruling the roost bossing the parents around like they own it. I got my ass whacked here or there. But that was more for talking back, not because I did any shady or illegal stuff as a kid.

But whether it's gov, work or homes if you let things get out of hand then you got to crack down on the stupidity going on. But that doesnt mean draconian 1984 Orwellian laws with cameras on every corner. There's a foundation of rules which is one part freedom and one part dont do anything stupid. And the world is assumed to be everyone is smart enough to get with the program where nobody does anything stupid. But when it happens then someone has to jump in and correct.
 
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Something definitely needs to be done to prevent kids from having total access to the internet and all the fucked up shit on it, but this isn't the answer.
 
So I was curious and asked different people I know about this. Almost every older woman I asked liked the idea, saying stuff like "devices are too hard, I don't have the time, other people aren't responsible, etc etc." When confronted with the fact this could be used as a trojan horse to censor the internet, some begrudgingly agreed. It seems many people are also completely unaware of electronics designed for children, such as smart phones or watches stripped down and locked with parental features.

The men I asked either shrugged or were against it.

My conclusion is we're facing another emotional argument, and the solution is education. What products to use, online safety classes or other measures. Ignorance and laziness will be the downfall of the internet as we know it. But given how so many people already relinquished their privacy for convenience, I don't have much hope
 
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