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[ManDudeChild]

For me, the ACTING on TNG aged horribly. Troi was alright when I first watched it, but now I roll my eyes whenever I catch a rerun because she is a dreadful actress. Riker is doing a passable but worse Kirk impression much of the time, Geordi is boring as all fuck at his line delivery, Picard the frenchman with the british accent never bothered me, but now seems dumber, Dr. Crusher is quite blah despite having one of the best episodes (where she is in the bubble). The acting for me is sub par for most of the characters, and this contributes to a feeling of genericism.

On DS9, a lot of the appeal for me was the storyline and finding out what happened, so I can see it losing some of its lustre upon repeated viewings. But DS9's most annoying regular character, Quark, had many more episodes where he was quite good than Troi ever did. The acting on DS9 was just better.

IAWTP

One of the worst instances of the Troi character (imo at least) was the episode where The Enterprise is doing a battle drill, the one where Data loses that game. Anyway, Data's going over his analysis of Riker and then Troi interuppts, "exactly, the man that he is." EVERYTIME i see that part I think, "bitch, let the man finish his sentence already."

 

[Saturnman]

"Moooooooooo-giiiiiieeee"



DS9 weaknesses are definitely Dax and Ferengis. No wonder she left the show. Some Ferengi episodes were good but it seems as the war got more serious, they had to make the Ferengi episodes even sillier.

 

[ManaByte]

For me, the ACTING on TNG aged horribly. Troi was alright when I first watched it, but now I roll my eyes whenever I catch a rerun because she is a dreadful actress. Riker is doing a passable but worse Kirk impression much of the time, Geordi is boring as all fuck at his line delivery, Picard the frenchman with the british accent never bothered me, but now seems dumber, Dr. Crusher is quite blah despite having one of the best episodes (where she is in the bubble). The acting for me is sub par for most of the characters, and this contributes to a feeling of genericism.

The TNG characters on their own are as you describe, but when they get into the pairings the show set up they work pefectly. Picard/Data and Data/Geordi are some of the best mini-stories in the series.

Also both TNG and DS9 turned out well because the cast didn't hate each other. The Voyager run is full of stories of how the cast would murder each other on a moment's notice. They hated each other and the producers with the ultimate venom.

 

[Saturnman]

The TNG characters on their own are as you describe, but when they get into the pairings the show set up they work pefectly. Picard/Data and Data/Geordi are some of the best mini-stories in the series.

Also both TNG and DS9 turned out well because the cast didn't hate each other. The Voyager run is full of stories of how the cast would murder each other on a moment's notice. They hated each other and the producers with the ultimate venom.

Dish out the dirt, Manabyte. Don't be shy.

 

[ManaByte]

"Moooooooooo-giiiiiieeee"

DS9 weaknesses are definitely Dax and Ferengis. No wonder she left the show. Some Ferengi episodes were good but it seems as the war got more serious, they had to make the Ferengi episodes even sillier.

Ezri Daz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jadzia Dax

I loved the DS9 Mirror universe episodes that happened every season as each time they would kill off one of the Ferengis.

But Nog joining Starfleet

Spoiler

and losing his leg

was cool.

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

The one where Quark dresses in drag is the worst DS9 ever. :lol

Rom was annoying, but he did become less so as the series went on. Nog got a lot better.

Yeah, I would peg Dax as the worst actor on the show as well. But she's academy award winning compared to Troi.

 

[ManaByte]

The one where Quark dresses in drag is the worst DS9 ever. :lol

LUMBA!

The only good thing about that episode was it brought back the Nagus again, and the Nagus RULES.

 

[BigJonsson]

Yes the nagus rules

And I always liked Dax, why are you hating

 

[Saturnman]

Because most of her episodes suck. Simple as that.

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

The Ferengi episodes were their low budget filler episodes-and it showed. They tended to show up after the really expensive looking, cool episodes. "Must....conserve....budget!"
I mean, most of the Ferengi episodes consisted of them standing in a room and screaming at each other. :lol

 

[Saturnman]

I like the Ferengi episode where they all go save Moogie from the Dominion. Iggy Pop played one of the Vortas in it.

 

[ManaByte]

I like the Ferengi episode were they all go save Moogie from the Dominion. Iggy Pop played one of the Vortas in it.

Yelgrun

 

[BigJonsson]

I liked the episode where Sisko is recalling how they got the Romulans into the war

 

[ManaByte]

I liked the episode where Sisko is recalling how they got the Romulans into the war

Any episode with Garak is awesome.

 

[Saturnman]

I liked the episode where Sisko is recalling how they got the Romulans into the war

It's generally seen as one of the best episodes of the series. And it stars one of the most popular guest regulars.

 

[BigJonsson]

Was anyone else getting a Kirk vibe when Archer was fighting the Vulcans on Enterprise? Those melee weapons looked familiar

 

[ManaByte]

Was anyone else getting a Kirk vibe when Archer was fighting the Vulcans on Enterprise? Those melee weapons looked familiar

Bigger budget versions of the weapons used in Amok Time:

 

[Doogdogg]

"Moooooooooo-giiiiiieeee"



DS9 weaknesses are definitely Dax and Ferengis. No wonder she left the show. Some Ferengi episodes were good but it seems as the war got more serious, they had to make the Ferengi episodes even sillier.

I thought Terry left to be on some stupid comedy? Where she later left after a few years. (never seen the show)

Anyway, Jadzia >>> Ezri.

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

She left to be on Becker(with Ted Danson), then left that after 4 seasons.

 

[ManaByte]

She left to be on Becker(with Ted Danson), then left that after 4 seasons of that.

So then, Terry left to be on some stupid sitcom...

 

[COCKLES]

Problem with TNG, apart from the Borg is, when they did have a good idea they never ran with it. End of season 1 with the parasite insects transmitting their signal into space in Conspiricy for example...and then bugger, you never heard anything about it ever again. Same with the episode were the craw are having experiments done on them from another dimension, they plant the seeds of a plot-line with the energy probe that goes wandering off in our realm...but never address it again. Boooo.

 

[Phoenix]

Problem with TNG, apart from the Borg is, when they did have a good idea they never ran with it. End of season 1 with the parasite insects transmitting their signal into space in Conspiricy for example...and then bugger, you never heard anything about it ever again. Same with the episode were the craw are having experiments done on them from another dimension, they plant the seeds of a plot-line with the energy probe that goes wandering off in our realm...but never address it again. Boooo.

Those episodes are generally movie/series seeds. The one that's been the most successful is Khan and they've been riding that one out forever

 

[SpoonyBard]

Problem with TNG, apart from the Borg is, when they did have a good idea they never ran with it. End of season 1 with the parasite insects transmitting their signal into space in Conspiricy for example...and then bugger, you never heard anything about it ever again. Same with the episode were the craw are having experiments done on them from another dimension, they plant the seeds of a plot-line with the energy probe that goes wandering off in our realm...but never address it again. Boooo.

That signal was supposed to go to Borg. In the episode after Conspiracy, Neutral Zone, they were supposed to meed the Borg at the end with a season ending cliffhanger. But there was writer's strike or something like that and the whole Borg thing got delayed and chanced slightly.

 

[ShadowRed]

Problem with TNG, apart from the Borg is, when they did have a good idea they never ran with it. End of season 1 with the parasite insects transmitting their signal into space in Conspiricy for example...and then bugger, you never heard anything about it ever again. Same with the episode were the craw are having experiments done on them from another dimension, they plant the seeds of a plot-line with the energy probe that goes wandering off in our realm...but never address it again. Boooo.

The insects were originally the main bad guys, but for some reason they changed them to the Borg. I have to agree though that they screwed the pooch with not following up on some of the great dangling plot threads that they left over. One I would have like to have seen was the sentient concousness of the Enterpise that took over Barkclay. Would have been a real good excuse to get Barkley into the movies as a main character rather than the cameo he had in First Contact.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Wow, another great arc ending. Just like the end of the Augments arc, it allayed all of my fears that the show might be sliding into fanservice for the hell of it and provided one hell of a conclusion.

Spoiler

I thought the Vulcan-Andorian battle was really well-done...it finally gave me a sense of just how outclassed the Enterprise is compared to the technology of more established races, and I got a real feeling of the sacrifice Trip was making to get between the two flotillas. The scene where the artifact displayed its information was just beautiful. The budget constraints are pretty apparent now, with the cheesy-looking Vulcan caves and a few obvious FX-hiding shots, but I'm glad they're able to transcend that with great production design, direction, and writing. And the Romulans! #%(*#&%(#

It'd be a total shame if they canned the series now, when it's become so good. Have ratings improved at all, I wonder?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Have fun with the grumpy captain who doesn't like children, yet regrets not starting a family of his own.

Enjoy the tourment that engulfs Riker over that promotion.

Stay tuned whenever it feels Wesley Crusher will be the main focus of an episode.

Season 1 is full of gems like that African planet or that other planet where women run things.

Troy's empathic powers are always put to good use.

Technobabble originated on TNG, that means it must be good thing.

Holodeck malfunctions = guaranteed fun.

Whether it is Data's quest to be human, Data's kid or taming a borg kid, it's never sappy enough.

Don't miss those episiodes with Data's evil twin: Lore.

Oh and when Worf breaks his spinal cord: greatest TV moment in history.


P.S. I like TNG, but those are definite plot weaknesses which do not age well.

:lol Q said something similar to that in "All Good Things". Wish I could find a transcript.

One I would have like to have seen was the sentient concousness of the Enterpise that took over Barkclay.

You're getting a couple episodes mixed up here. There was one where the Enterprise seemed to become self-aware, and had the weirdass holodeck program going on representing its different thoughts. Then there was the one where a mysterious alien influence infested Barclay and made him super-genius, and eventually he ended up wiring his brain into the Enterprise because he could do things faster than the computer.

Barclay > *

It'd be a total shame if they canned the series now, when it's become so good. Have ratings improved at all, I wonder?

Nope. Lower than ever it appears.
http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~mvrojo/entratings.htm

Season 1 Average: 6.7 million viewers
Season 2 Average: 4.4 million viewers
Season 3 Average: 3.8 million viewers
Season 4 Average: 3.2 million viewers

It's like the viewership and show quality have an inverse relationship.