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[Baconsammy]

Not saying Microsoft can't make a big splash at theirs, but to suggest Microsoft is just DOMINATING Sony on mindshare is complete nonsense when the consoles are basically even on global sales, and that's with one competitor not being on the market as long.

They are dominating Sony in mindshare. And this gen they dominated Sony in marketshare as well. Profits also. Sorry, Sony got owned this gen. It's not up for debate. Thus Microsoft is the bigger story when they announce. If they fall flat on their face next gen like Sony did this gen, then the fortunes will be reversed. They announce these things in America for a reason. This is the region both sides desperately want (and need) to win.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

They are dominating Sony in mindshare. And this gen they dominated Sony in marketshare as well. Profits also. Sorry, Sony got owned this gen. It's not up for debate. Thus Microsoft is the bigger story when they announce. If they fall flat on their face next gen like Sony did this gen, then the fortunes will be reversed. They announce these things in America for a reason. This is the region both sides desperately want (and need) to win.

They've only dominated on profits and an increase in marketshare.

Mindshare? Nope. Sold more in less time.

Yeah, Sony got "owned" this gen. That's past tense, Sony is selling more now globally and has for some time. Hence, they have more mindshare.

Announcing a console is similar to selling a console - it's a global thing. This is not NPD.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

They've only dominated on profits and an increase in marketshare.

Midnshare? Nope. Sold more in less time.

Yeah, Sony got "owned" this gen. That's past tense, Sony is selling more now globally and has for some time. Hence, they have more mindshare.

Announcing a console is similar to selling a console - it's a global thing. This is not NPD.

The mindshare is still there. With developers and consumers. MGS5 just got announced for Xbox, for example. First time they will have a numbered MGS game day and date. It was the only big franchise they were missing. It's huge.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

They've only dominated on profits and an increase in marketshare.

Midnshare? Nope. Sold more in less time.

Yeah, Sony got "owned" this gen. That's past tense, Sony is selling more now globally and has for some time. Hence, they have more mindshare.

Announcing a console is similar to selling a console - it's a global thing. This is not NPD.

They've captured considerable mind-share from Sony. I'm surprised anyone can claim they haven't.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

They've only dominated on profits and an increase in marketshare.

Midnshare? Nope. Sold more in less time.

Yeah, Sony got "owned" this gen. That's past tense, Sony is selling more now globally and has for some time. Hence, they have more mindshare.

Announcing a console is similar to selling a console - it's a global thing. This is not NPD.

I'm pretty sure the Xbox was the bestselling console in 2011. Worldwide. And that's without even being in some of these markets. Sony also has moved less units than they ever have.

 

[Xamdou]

They've only dominated on profits and an increase in marketshare.

Midnshare? Nope. Sold more in less time.

Yeah, Sony got "owned" this gen. That's past tense, Sony is selling more now globally and has for some time. Hence, they have more mindshare.

Announcing a console is similar to selling a console - it's a global thing. This is not NPD.

So you agree that Sony did get owned this gen, more mindshare in anticipation of the actual Durango reveal and specs due to MS's "silence."

 

[Hoo-doo]

Gears of War 4 as a possible launch title for Durango and showcasing the true graphical prowess of the hardware would sure be awesome.

Dear christ, I hope not.
The Gears of War series needs a 5 year break, get some fresh people on that IP and create a new IP first.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

The Xbox brand is as big as Playstation now, end of.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm talking about TOTAL MINDSHARE.

Relatively, Microsoft increased, Sony decreased this gen. I'm not arguing that.

Baconsammy makes it out to be that Microsoft just DOMINATES with this nebulous 'mindshare' (and only in the US) and that Sony somehow cannot compete when it comes to announcements. That's bunk. The PS4 announcement had a huge draw.

The mindshare is still there. With developers and consumers. MGS5 just got announced for Xbox, for example. First time they will have a numbered MGS game day and date. It was the only big franchise they were missing. It's huge.

I never said it wasn't. Again, I'm not claiming that Sony dominates Microsoft on mindshare right now (but they do have more, evidenced by global sales since launch). Baconsammy is claiming the opposite.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

They've only dominated on profits and an increase in marketshare.

Mindshare? Nope. Sold more in less time.

Yeah, Sony got "owned" this gen. That's past tense, Sony is selling more now globally and has for some time. Hence, they have more mindshare.

Announcing a console is similar to selling a console - it's a global thing. This is not NPD.

The mindshare Sony has is so strong right now, they released a gaming platform that is already in danger of not being stocked soon despite being released just a year ago.

 

[Uno Venova]

So you agree that Sony did get owned this gen, more mindshare in anticipation of the actual Durango reveal and specs due to MS's "silence."

I don't really see how there is more mindshare for the reveal of durango, they haven't even strongly alluded to a next gen console yet.

The Xbox brand is as big as Playstation now, end of.

They're both very similar now yes, which is why I don't get why one would claim one dominates the other in the mindshare and marketshare area.

 

[Triple U]

They are dominating Sony in mindshare. And this gen they dominated Sony in marketshare as well. Profits also. Sorry, Sony got owned this gen. It's not up for debate. Thus Microsoft is the bigger story when they announce. If they fall flat on their face next gen like Sony did this gen, then the fortunes will be reversed. They announce these things in America for a reason. This is the region both sides desperately want (and need) to win.

I looove it when you show your true colors. But yeah, lol.


I love your recent trend on "mindshare" and who has it, like it isn't some useless arbitrary cherrypicked "metric" that you are constantly and desperately trying to champion MS with. There's no objective measure you can attempt to pull out of your ass to support this, yet you try to throw it out as much as you can. Why?

The only thing factual in your post is about how Sony got dominated in profits, which sony ultimately has nobody to blame but themselves. Despite their horrible launch strategy, they still outpaced the 360 in every step of the way.

MS is certainly going to make a huge splash, but after the two-three day honeymoon, the rest of the way they are going to be placed next to the PS4, and if its inadequate MS could quickly see its only crutch snap.

 

[Triple U]

The Xbox brand is as big as Playstation now, end of.

I wouldn't say that at all.

I'm pretty sure the Xbox was the bestselling console in 2011. Worldwide. And that's without even being in some of these markets. Sony also has moved less units than they ever have.

Yeah that one year of over-shipping still didn't stop Sony from passing MS now did it? And yeah, PS3 is Sony's weakest console market-wise, yet MS will still fall short with their best.

 

[Baconsammy]

The mindshare Sony has is so strong right now, they released a gaming platform that is already in danger of not being stocked soon despite being released just a year ago.

They do dominate negative mindshare, that's for sure. But with the Wii U it seems like Nintendo wants a piece of that.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I looove it when you show your true colors. But yeah, lol.


I love your recent trend on "mindshare" and who has it, like it isn't some useless arbitrary cherrypicked "metric" that you are constantly and desperately trying to champion MS with. There's no objective measure you can attempt to pull out of your ass to support this, yet you try to throw it out as much as you can. Why?

The only thing factual in your post is about how Sony got dominated in profits, which sony ultimately has nobody to blame but themselves. Despite their horrible launch strategy, they still outpaced the 360 in every step of the way.

MS is certainly going to make a huge splash, but after the two-three day honeymoon, the rest of the way they are going to be placed next to the PS4, and if its inadequate MS could quickly see its only crutch snap.

Mind-share is absolutely a valid and very important metric to use/consider.

We only need to look al the reception the Wii U received to see just how important it can be. Nintendo failed to maintain any mind-share in the last year or so before release and it severely damaged their new consoles sales and reception.

This cannot be denied. Mind-share isn't some useless cherrypicked metric. It's vital to gauge the health of a platform in the general populace and the consumer base you intend to your wares to.

 

[SlipperyMoose]

Yeah that one year of over-shipping still didn't stop Sony from passing MS now did it? And yeah, PS3 is Sony's weakest console market-wise, yet MS will still fall short with their best.

I think the point is that despite who sells more in the end of this current generation, the PlayStation brand took a big hit. They went from above and beyond the top selling console of the last two generations to barely out pacing the Xbox this one. Not to mention Nintendo went from last to first.

I don't really care who sells more, I'm going to get both consoles more than likely.

 

[Triple U]

Mind-share is absolutely a valid and very important metric to use/consider.

We only need to look al the reception the Wii U received to see just how important it can be. Nintendo failed to maintain any mind-share in the last year or so before release and it severely damaged their new consoles sales and reception.

This cannot be denied. Mind-share isn't some useless cherrypicked metric. It's vital to gauge the health of a platform in the general populace and the consumer base you intend to your wares to.

Well yeah it's totally valid, perhaps I should have worded it a little better. It's not valid at this stage is what I mean. It's not valid until the numbers start rolling out.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Yeah that one year of over-shipping still didn't stop Sony from passing MS now did it? And yeah, PS3 is Sony's weakest console market-wise, yet MS will still fall short with their best.

Last official figures don't support this claim. Pointing to an ambiguous and non-committal comment from Tretton when he was put on the spot doesn't really count as an official figure.

Well yeah it's totally valid, perhaps I should have worded it a little better. It's not valid at this stage is what I mean. It's not valid until the numbers start rolling out.

I'd argue now is when it's most important. Both are about to launch new consoles. It's not as important during the mid/latter years of a console, but the year leading up to a new console? It's absolutely important. Even more so this time around with both consoles rumoured to be launching very close to each other.

Whoever has the most mind-share will win out.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Gears of War 4 as a possible launch title for Durango and showcasing the true graphical prowess of the hardware would sure be awesome.

Too quick,that will be not even one year between GOWJ and GOW4

 

[Triple U]

Last official figures don't support this claim. Pointing to an ambiguous and non-committal comment from Tretton when he was put on the spot doesn't really count as an official figure.

I won't get into that argument with you again. Numbers will come soon enough and we can see who's right...

I think the point is that despite who sells more in the end of this current generation, the PlayStation brand took a big hit. They went from above and beyond the top selling console of the last two generations to barely out pacing the Xbox this one. Not to mention Nintendo went from last to first.

I don't really care who sells more, I'm going to get both consoles more than likely.

I think you mean barely outsold. I'm pretty sure that since its second quarter on the market, Sony has outpaced MS most every quarter. That's why there was always confidence that Sony was gonna past 360 despite the shitty launch.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I won't get into that argument with you again. Numbers will come soon enough and we can see who's right...

I have no doubts that Sony will have passed MS at the next Q results. They are much stronger in a larger number of regions for them not to pass MS this year. I'm just pointing out that the last official figures don't support the claim.

I'd also point out the fact that it took them 7 years shouldn't be discounted though as it's been by a number of people. Regardless of any stumbling along the way or any self inflicted wounds, it's a great accomplishment to almost quadruple your overall sales from your last console.

 

[ii Stryker]

the xbox contingent is just butthurt that MS hasn't announced anything because the Sony contingent is gloating because of the PS4 announced specs.

Mind share only matters when these devices are available at retail. The consuming public has ADD and will quickly move onto the next thing.

Sony's announcement was more for the core and developers and really only raised more questions then answers. MS knows to have long term sustainable growth you'll need more than the core, they've proven this with the Kinect and the other entertainment options the 360 has.

 

[Baconsammy]

Last official figures don't support this claim. Pointing to an ambiguous and non-committal comment from Tretton when he was put on the spot doesn't really count as an official figure.

Tretton's statement wasn't just ambiguous, it was clueless. "We've shipped 77 million consoles...I think." He has no idea. Meanwhile the coach of the worst team in basketball today said, "We've won more games than anyone else this season...I think."

 

[Triple U]

Tretton's statement wasn't just ambiguous, it was clueless. "We've shipped 77 million consoles...I think." He has no idea. Meanwhile the coach of the worst team in basketball today said, "We've won more games than anyone else this season...I think."

That's such a terrible analogy.

But yeah hyperbole aside, "I think we're at 77 million" as he said it is far from clueless. Who the fuck knows when he might have got briefed last. He's a CEO of a company getting ready to announce its biggest product in almost a decade.

 

[Hindle]

I'm pretty sure MS are more pleased with thier situation then Sony are with thiers. They're in a good place to be number 1 next gen.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'm pretty sure MS are more pleased with thier situation then Sony are with thiers. They're in a good place to be number 1 next gen.

They are absolutely pleased. They roughly have the same number of people paying for Live Gold as Xbox consoles sold last generation.

That alone should be cause for celebration within MS Entertainment HQ.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm pretty sure MS are more pleased with thier situation then Sony are with thiers. They're in a good place to be number 1 next gen.

Microsoft is in a good place to be number one despite being third this gen?

I don't understand this logic.

They're in a better position than Nintendo by far, but Sony has more momentum leading into next-gen if current-gen sales are anything to go by.

Microsoft also has more hurdles in certain markets than Sony has -- for instance, they'll never make much headway in Japan, and they've never done particularly well in mainland Europe, whereas Sony has some history of doing well everywhere.

 

[Triple U]

I'm pretty sure MS are more pleased with thier situation then Sony are with thiers. They're in a good place to be number 1 next gen.

Yeah they didn't lose billions of dollars selling about 25 million consoles. They're ecstatic.

 

[charsace]

They've only dominated on profits and an increase in marketshare.

Mindshare? Nope. Sold more in less time.

Yeah, Sony got "owned" this gen. That's past tense, Sony is selling more now globally and has for some time. Hence, they have more mindshare.

Announcing a console is similar to selling a console - it's a global thing. This is not NPD.

You're lying to yourself. Playstation 1 and 2 were juggernaut consoles. Before sony you had some people who were all about sega and nintendo. After the launch of the Playstation everyone was all about the Playstation. Sony took gaming out of the niche and into the mainstream. Nintendo and Sega were systems that were mostly supported by hardcore gamers. Then the PS2 built on the PS1's momentum. This gen its nintendo, sony and ms that people are all about. Non-gamers associating xbox and nintendo with gaming is a sign that Sony has taken a hit in regards to mindshare.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Microsoft is in a good place to be number one despite being third this gen?

I don't understand this logic.

They're in a better position than Nintendo by far, but Sony has more momentum leading into next-gen if current-gen sales are anything to go by.

Microsoft also has more hurdles in certain markets than Sony has -- for instance, they'll never make much headway in Japan, and they've never done particularly well in mainland Europe, whereas Sony has some history of doing well everywhere.

But Sony is in good position? These are the same reasons they should have won last gen. Not take six and a half years to maybe claim second. They are trending downward. Last year was the first time they were number one and that's with little to no effort from the other big two and another system redesign. This argument can go either way.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Microsoft is in a good place to be number one despite being third this gen?

I don't understand this logic.

They're in a better position than Nintendo by far, but Sony has more momentum leading into next-gen if current-gen sales are anything to go by.

Microsoft also has more hurdles in certain markets than Sony has -- for instance, they'll never make much headway in Japan, and they've never done particularly well in mainland Europe, whereas Sony has some history of doing well everywhere.

That's the simplistic way to look at it.

They sold 22m/23m consoles last generation.

They've sold 76m consoles this generation. They've got a premium subscriber user-base of roughly 22m, they've stolen considerable market and mind-share away from Sony, they also have one of the highest software attach rates of any console and they have been the best selling console int he US for almost two years.

That's the reality, to simply boil it down to they are starting next generation in third place is severely understating the significant strides they've made into the market this generation.

Regarding Japan, how important a market is it for consoles? Handhelds seem to reign supreme in the land of the rising sun.

Finally, how do you figure Sony has more momentum going into the next generation?

 

[Hindle]

Microsoft is in a good place to be number one despite being third this gen?

I don't understand this logic.

They're in a better position than Nintendo by far, but Sony has more momentum leading into next-gen if current-gen sales are anything to go by.

Microsoft also has more hurdles in certain markets than Sony has -- for instance, they'll never make much headway in Japan, and they've never done particularly well in mainland Europe, whereas Sony has some history of doing well everywhere.

This gen proved MS can take marketshare from Sony quite easily. I doubt Europe will be too hard. They already dominate in the UK. Japan is close to irrevelent, it's mainly a handheld market.

Edit. not to mention NA, they can still gain even more there.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

But Sony is in good position? These are the same reasons they should have won last gen. Not take six and a half years to maybe claim second. They are trending downward. Last year was the first time they were number one and that's with little to no effort from the other big two and another system redesign. This argument can go either way.

Better position than Nintendo and Microsoft, sure. Especially with them correcting all of their mistakes with PS3. They are in an extremely strong position going into next-gen that can only be hampered by price at this point, but I don't expect them to pull a $599.

Sony never deserved to have "won" last gen with the blunders they made early on. But so far, PS4 looks to be the leader given how well designed it is.

This gen proved MS can take marketshare from Sony quite easily. I doubt Europe will be too hard. They already dominate in the UK. Japan is close to irrevelent, it's mainly a handheld market.

They only have proven that they were able to get stronger in markets that they already had significant momentum in with the first Xbox (US and UK). Europe is absolutely going to be very difficult for Microsoft to make headway in. You have to remember that Halo basically established the Xbox -- it's the reason there's even a Durango today. Without Halo taking off, there wouldn't be an Xbox. It would have been a failed project. And Halo has little to no impact in mainland Europe.

Japan is not irrelevant, it's a market that's roughly the same size as the UK which you tout as being an advantage for Microsoft.

That's the simplistic way to look at it.

They sold 22m/23m consoles last generation.

They've sold 76m consoles this generation. They've got a premium subscriber user-base of roughly 22m, they've stolen considerable market and mind-share away from Sony, they also have one of the highest software attach rates of any console and they have been the best selling console int he US for almost two years.

That's the reality, to simply boil it down to they are starting next generation in third place is severely understating the significant strides they've made into the market this generation.

Regarding Japan, how important a market is it for consoles? Handhelds seem to reign supreme in the land of the rising sun.

Finally, how do you figure Sony has more momentum going into the next generation?

Yes, I get it - Microsoft has done well improving their position relative to last gen. That's not what I'm arguing about. The bottom line is Sony has been selling more consoles worldwide than Microsoft has since their launch, regardless of how much Microsoft has improved their position, much of Microsoft's momentum was gained early on, Sony then caught up, and we are now at a stage where the markets are settled.

I seriously doubt Microsoft will somehow be able to repeat the increase in marketshare they received this gen going forward into next-gen. That would basically require them winning by substantial margins next-gen, and with Sony correcting their mistakes? That's not going to happen.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

I think every company of the big three are in a fair position. Sony has to recover from the giant losses they had because of the PS3 (and more recently, Vita, but that seems like it might fix itself with a price cut), Microsoft has to keep the core gamer interests on their console, and Nintendo has to improve their sales (but they have time with the mayor success that was the Wii).

Anyway, I have a nice change for the title. "Epic: Wii U silence at GDC is the full picture".

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Better position than Nintendo and Microsoft, sure. Especially with them correcting all of their mistakes with PS3. They are in an extremely strong position going into next-gen that can only be hampered by price at this point, but I don't expect them to pull a $599.

Sony never deserved to have "won" last gen with the blunders they made early on. But so far, PS4 looks to be the leader given how well designed it is.

So they are gonna have better graphics, Sonys first party, and maybe free online. All things they had last time and that didnt help then. Who cares of the ps4 is easier to develop for? What third party game did Sony not get last gen besides left for dead?

 

[Triple U]

That's the simplistic way to look at it.

They sold 22m/23m consoles last generation.

They've sold 76m consoles this generation. They've got a premium subscriber user-base of roughly 22m, they've stolen considerable market and mind-share away from Sony, they also have one of the highest software attach rates of any console and they have been the best selling console int he US for almost two years.

That's the reality, to simply boil it down to they are starting next generation in third place is severely understating the significant strides they've made into the market this generation.

Regarding Japan, how important a market is it for consoles? Handhelds seem to reign supreme in the land of the rising sun.

Finally, how do you figure Sony has more momentum going into the next generation?

The fact that they've moved some 130 million units of console hardware this gen? The fact that they're market expands far past a few territories? The fact that they're finishing the generation stronger than MS is?

 

[JJD]

This gen proved MS can take marketshare from Sony quite easily. I doubt Europe will be too hard. They already dominate in the UK. Japan is close to irrevelent, it's mainly a handheld market.

Edit. not to mention NA, they can still gain even more there.

How can they take marketshare from Sony as easily as you claim considering Sony fucked up almost every single step on of the way and they will undoubtedly still end this gen. with more consoles sold than MS?

As good as the 360 is, if Sony had gotten their shit straight from the beginning of this gen and not 4 years later I guess it's safe to say they would have eaten MS up.

If anything the current generation is a testament to the strength of the Playstation brand.

 

[Spinluck]

Isn't remotely baseless. The announcements are in the US where Microsoft owns Sony. Even if Microsoft announces a dog turd, it'll overshadow Sony. People will care more about how bad the dog turd is than how good whatever Sony showed was. If Sony ever manages to reverse their fortunes, that may change. But for right now Sony is just that company that squandered their music, gaming, TV, and computer hardware business advantages.

Baconsammy, you seem to forget that people exist outside the US, and that success in a PREVIOUS console generation doesn't mean shit if you cannot replicate it. For once, lets not focus on Sony's woes, as if the 70+ million people who bought a PS3 actually keep up with that shit. This is about a new generation, and I can tell you now, it doesn't look like the Xbox 3 WILL have the same advantages that the 360 had over the PS3. So some of you guys should stop making it seem that way, it's a new generation, who knows what will happen?

 

[Colonel Nasty]

The fact that they've moved some 130 million units of console hardware this gen? The fact that they're market expands far past a few territories? The fact that they're finishing the generation stronger than MS is?

All things they had last gen. And still "lost." They had even more consoles, even more territories, and an even stronger finish and barely scraped to finish second sometime this year. And they are losing blu ray.

 

[thuway]

This thread is started to get real ugly :-/. I just want MS to show Durango off. There should be some amazing exclusives on the machine.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So they are gonna have better graphics, Sonys first party, and maybe free online. All things they had last time and that didnt help then. Who cares of the ps4 is easier to develop for? What third party game did Sony not get last gen besides left for dead?

- Not releasing a year later
- Not releasing at $599
- Having an easier platform to develop for
- Having a stronger GPU, unified fast RAM, and APU package that should easily reduce costs.
- Having a strong launch lineup from their first party studios
- Integrating progressive social features from day 1.

If you don't think that's a massive change of pace from the PS3's early days than I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

The fact that they've moved some 130 million units of console hardware this gen? The fact that they're market expands far past a few territories? The fact that they're finishing the generation stronger than MS is?

130m units?

They have Europe and some other regions where we don't really know how strong or not MS is. Japan is slowly slipping into irrelevancy when it comes to consoles and whether they are finishing the generation stronger than MS is subjective.

They might finish with more sales, but that's just one small part of a large whole when it comes to momentum.

 

[itsgreen]

The fact that they've moved some 130 million units of console hardware this gen? The fact that they're market expands far past a few territories? The fact that they're finishing the generation stronger than MS is?

Always funny that you instantly know someones position when they quote vague PR numbers like '130 million consoles' instead of 80 million PS3's. Or even XX million actual consoles. But no! the number has to be fluffed! Let's bring in the handhelds!

 

[Hindle]

How can they take marketshare from Sony as easily as you claim considering Sony fucked up almost every single step on of the way and they will undoubtedly still end this gen. with more consoles sold than MS?

As good as the 360 is, if Sony had gotten their shit straight from the beginning of this gen and not 4 years later I guess it's safe to say they would have eaten MS up.

If anything the current generation is a testament to the strength of the Playstation brand.

Microsoft never got aggressive with Europe the way they did with NA. Japan was the focus and that was a mistake. If they spend billions on marketing, secure the biggest European devs as partners, then why shouldn't they gain in Europe?

Sony fucking up played a part but I think those regions just wanted a change. It always was going to happen regardless of what Sony did.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

- Not releasing a year later
- Not releasing at $599
- Having an easier platform to develop for
- Having a stronger GPU, unified fast RAM, and APU package that should easily reduce costs.
- Having a strong launch lineup from their first party studios
- Integrating progressive social features from day 1.

If you don't think that's a massive change of pace from the PS3's early days than I don't know what to tell you.

You don't think durango will have these exact same things? Their ram could maybe be less fast and they'll have forza instead of drive club and that's about the only difference.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Always funny that you instantly know someones position when they quote vague PR numbers like '130 million consoles' instead of 80 million PS3's. Or even XX million actual consoles. But nu the number has to be fluffed! Let's bring in the handhelds!

i'm pretty sure he's talking about ps2 and ps3. ~50 and ~76million units.

 

[Hindle]

Not to mention I think Europe will shrink next gen as a gaming market whilst NA will grow.

 

[itsgreen]

i'm pretty sure he's talking about ps2 and ps3. ~50 and ~76million units.

Oh ok, don't know the PS2 figure, 50 million units between november 2005 and now? That's impressive.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Microsoft never got aggressive with Europe the way they did with NA. Japan was the focus and that was a mistake. If they spend billions on marketing, secure the biggest European devs as partners, then why shouldn't they gain in Europe?

Sony fucking up played a part but I think those regions just wanted a change. It always was going to happen regardless of what Sony did.

Microsoft never got agressive period. They were up against a console launch that was ridiculously poorly thought-out which caused the shift in marketshare. The pricing, the architecture, everything.
So far the PS4 looks like it's not making any of those mistakes again, and if it doesnt, I deem it more likely that Sony regains marketshare in US territories this generation.

 

[JJD]

Microsoft never got aggressive with Europe the way they did with NA. Japan was the focus and that was a mistake. If they spend billions on marketing, secure the biggest European devs as partners, then why shouldn't they gain in Europe?

Sony fucking up played a part but I think those regions just wanted a change. It always was going to happen regardless of what Sony did.

It goes both ways.

Sony could be way more aggressive in the US market as well.

Their marketing team was always a joke and they barely advertise their games nowadays.