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ESPN OTL: Pete Rose bet on baseball while he was a player

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jbug617

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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986

For 26 years, Pete Rose has kept to one story: He never bet on baseball while he was a player.

Yes, he admitted in 2004, after almost 15 years of denials, he had placed bets on baseball, but he insisted it was only as a manager.

But new documents obtained by Outside the Lines indicate Rose bet extensively on baseball -- and on the Cincinnati Reds -- as he racked up the last hits of a record-smashing career in 1986. The documents go beyond the evidence presented in the 1989 Dowd report that led to Rose's banishment and provide the first written record that Rose bet while he was still on the field.

"This does it. This closes the door," said John Dowd, the former federal prosecutor who led MLB's investigation.

The documents are copies of pages from a notebook seized from the home of former Rose associate Michael Bertolini during a raid by the U.S. Postal Inspection Service in October 1989, nearly two months after Rose was declared permanently ineligible by Major League Baseball. Their authenticity has been verified by two people who took part in the raid, which was part of a mail fraud investigation and unrelated to gambling. For 26 years, the notebook has remained under court-ordered seal and is currently stored in the National Archives' New York office, where officials have declined requests to release it publicly.
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Pete Rose statement via his lawyer
Rose, through his lawyer, Raymond Genco, issued a statement: "Since we submitted the application earlier this year, we committed to MLB that we would not comment on specific matters relating to reinstatement. I need maintain that. To be sure, I'm is eager to sit down with [MLB commissioner Rob] Manfred to address my entire history -- the good and the bad -- and my long personal journey since baseball. That meeting likely will come sometime after the All-Star break. Therefore at this point, it's not appropriate to comment on any specifics." Bertolini's lawyer, Nicholas De Feis, said his client is "not interested in speaking to anyone about these issues."
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JMDSO

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I'm sure MLB (namely Selig) knew about this to some extent. They've completely stonewalled him for years.

Pete Rose is a lying, cheating piece of shit and this just proves it even more.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Best hitter of all time.
 
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entremet

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If he gets put in the HOF it will be when he's in the grave sadly.

This current crop of writers is very old school. They will need to die out.
 
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BumRush

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I understand that's terrible. Should it take away from his absolutely amazing skills as a player. Let him in the HOF as a player, not a human being.
 
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Fox318

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Every player knows not to cross that line.

You keep him out of the Hall of Fame and working in baseball in any capacity.
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Gentleman Jack said:
Why is sports betting bad, again?
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Because the game can be fatally harmed if it turns out the players are throwing games to win bets. Scandals involving the propriety of the game are incredibly serious to the leagues. There is and should be zero tolerance for player gambling, especially when you have the player betting on their own team like Rose did.

Its nothing like a steroid scandal because players on steroids are at least trying harder to be good at baseball. Players throwing games is an entirely different league of offense.
 
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sangreal

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I wonder how they got this -- the article goes through a number of failed attempts to get it, but doesn't seem to mention how they ultimately prevailed. Regardless, it's fortunate that some US attorney deemed it worthy of preservation in the archive

Azzurri said:
I mean who cares? As long as he didn't bet against himself I don't really see the problem.
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He has lied through the entire process and continues to lie about having bet as a player. Why would you believe he never bet against himself?
 
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rjc571

Banned
At least he wasn't generally aware of the possible existence of a plot by his team to deflate baseballs by 0.3 PSI, according to a report which was later thoroughly debunked.
 
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Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Delta Assault said:
If you bet against yourself, sure.

But if you bet on yourself, what's the harm?
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Azzurri said:
I mean who cares? As long as he didn't bet against himself I don't really see the problem.
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The bookies will certainly take notice to when you aren't making a bet. Plus, you're risking getting deep into debt with the sort of people who will have quite a solid understanding of your lack of ethics and your newfound need for money.
 
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perfectchaos007

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Betting on games can only hurt your batting average if you're trying to change the outcome of a game. If you're betting on your team to win, you can't increase your batting average, but if you're betting on your team to lose, then it's easy to strike out. In other words, if he never bet on games, the only effect would have been BETTER career numbers. Therefore, this should not affect his HOF status.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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This is so much worse for baseball than PEDs yet writers and fans still feel sympathy for Pete meanwhile refuse to induct anyone with back acne.

For people who say "why does it matter if he bet on himself" as a manager you are telling me if Pete is not betting on today's game, but has a bet on tomorrow's, it's not going to effect which pitchers he uses? Who he uses out of the bullpen?
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
He's done now. Completely shocked that a dude who lied about betting on baseball for decades turned out to be lying when he came out and admitted the supposed truth. I don't know how anyone can possibly believe him when he says he didn't bet against his team or himself.
 
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bigkrev

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Gentleman Jack said:
Out of curiosity, how is the current zero tolerance ban policed? What prevents players from making proxy bets through relatives or friends? Who keeps the players, coaches and refs out of sports books every time they travel to New Jersey or Nevada?
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Sports betting still isn't legal in New Jersey :(
 
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