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ESPN OTL: Pete Rose bet on baseball while he was a player
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If he does then Shoeless Joe does first.
It's June again. Baseball is the only US sport going, so we wheel this dead horse out to beat it's rotting corpse some more.
Pete Rose belongs in the baseball hall of fame, which is currently the least relevant HoF of the 4 traditional US sports. As long as Rose, Bonds and Clemens aren't in there, it isn't worth spit. If baseball actually ran against the other major sports, it would've been buried under the weight of its own pretentiousness by now. PEACE.
Pete Rose belongs in the baseball hall of fame, which is currently the least relevant HoF of the 4 traditional US sports. As long as Rose, Bonds and Clemens aren't in there, it isn't worth spit. If baseball actually ran against the other major sports, it would've been buried under the weight of its own pretentiousness by now. PEACE.
ScatheZombie
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I actually really like this comparison because it highlights two important differences.
First, those three men are not banned from baseball. Mark Mcgwire and Barry Bonds are still coaching in the league passing on their bullshit to the younger generation. I find this quite a double-standard since ...
PEDs definitively positively affects your personal performance and outcomes of games. Betting can only negatively affect your own personal performance and only might affect the outcome of games.
That said, I'm not saying Pete Rose shouldn't be banned from baseball. But if he is, it's only far to also ban those three cheaters and others like them equally; seeing how they did many of the same things - breaking the rules and then lying about it for years - but their infractions definitively increased their numbers and changed the outcome of games while Rose's didn't increase his numbers and only 'probably, maybe' affected games.
andthebeatgoeson
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Imagine the story lines of all sports scandals and add betting to enrich yourself as a potential conspiracy and just imagine the cluster fuck. No one would go to games if you seriously doubted if people have their all.
'Lebron got paid 12 million to throw the 2011 Finals!'
The appearance that you weren't always trying will always be worse than the appearance that you were trying too hard. Rose was banned for life and has never showed any bit of remorse beyond the absolute minimum when he thought he could charge more at autograph signings if he threw "Hall of Famer" on the sign behind his table in the convention center. Let the ban stand.
THG, "the clear", was not a controlled substance until 2005. Other designer steroids and prohormones were not scheduled until last year (DASCA)
terrisus
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Ninja Scooter
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Rose? Not even close. He was a very good hitter who just played for a really long fucking time, but he wasn't the greatest.
entremet
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This is beyond silly. The Baseball HOF is still the gold standard of HOFs.
andthebeatgoeson
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Yeah, getting in the hall for baseball is much better than basketball, where you just have to be popular.
Ninja Scooter
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Football one seems to be growing, but yeah baseball probably still has the highest profile hall of fame. Routinely the story of who DIDN'T make it in the baseball hall of fame is a bigger one than who did make the football or basketball hall of fames. The problem for all of them is that I wonder how much young people give a shit, especially if the players they grew up with (Bonds, ARod, Clemens) are not being represented. There is also the problem in all of the major sports of less and less players spending their careers with one team, and becoming less identifiable with one regional fanbase which could hurt the relevancy of the hall of fame as a concept as time goes on.
samus i am
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This isn't a popularity contest. He broke the rules and got caught. Keep him out of the hall of fame.
terrisus
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Seriously, it's pretty easy in this thread to see who doesn't follow Baseball, doesn't understand Baseball, or has only a cursory knowledge/understanding/interest in it at best.
elrechazado
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That's a nice tautology
Ninja Scooter
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When guys like Bert Blyleven and Jim Rice are getting in, it sort of is just a popularity contest.
He's the best singles hitter and compiler, yes.
terrisus
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He's not even that.
He has 160 more singles than Cobb, in 2804 more plate appearances.
He's a very good player - a Hall of Fame quality player, even - who managed to avoid injuries for the most part, play for a long time as a regular, and, as you said, compile numbers in the process.
But anyone calling him "the best" at anything is a joke.
elrechazado
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This is the tony Gwynn thread?
CheDominik
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Blyleven got in thanks to the rise of advanced metrics, which said he was one of the best pitchers in his era. He deserved it. Rice wasn't some bum, he was a really good player, just not baseball HOF worthy. Jim Rice's equivalent in the NBA would have been a first ballot hall of famer.
Ichiro my man. Shame his 1.2k hits in Japan don't count here
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