Agree, but I thougt it was I that did not know how to play them.
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Europa Universalis IV |OT| A Game of Blobs
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Agree, but I thougt it was I that did not know how to play them.
It is not that bad, but I miss stuff as royal marriage. Other than that I think it is possible to run as a republic. But honestly I am not that good and used to paradox games so you should probably not listen to me.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Austria and France are having a succession war over the Polish throne.
I'm Brandenburg stuck in the middle.
Sigh.
I'm Brandenburg stuck in the middle.
Sigh.
France inherited both Hungary and Poland in my Brandenburg name. I am Germany now, it is gunna be one hell of a war soon! I got Ukraine in a PU.
So I did start a new game as The Hansa. Trying to follow the advice that I got earlier with a slow but steady expansion and find some strong allies. However I find that I do not understand part of the mechanisms in the HRE.
When I started to annex my neighbors I got "return unlawful province" from Austria. This happened for the first two provinces I took. I said no and marched on. For the next two provinces I took I have not got "return unlawful province". What is the mechanism behind "return unlawful province"?
I have problem getting strong allies to support me. Not only that I have problem to hold onto decent powerful allies or get them to fight with me. I was allied with Brandenburg for a couple of years but they ended the alliance.
I even joined Oldenburg in an offensive war and found after the war that Oldenburg canceled the alliance with me. This was a war where I stood for most of the fighting and was the reason why we won the war.
Is there anyone that is used to fight in the HRE that can tell me if this is common? Or am I just bad at making people trust me?
When I started to annex my neighbors I got "return unlawful province" from Austria. This happened for the first two provinces I took. I said no and marched on. For the next two provinces I took I have not got "return unlawful province". What is the mechanism behind "return unlawful province"?
I have problem getting strong allies to support me. Not only that I have problem to hold onto decent powerful allies or get them to fight with me. I was allied with Brandenburg for a couple of years but they ended the alliance.
I even joined Oldenburg in an offensive war and found after the war that Oldenburg canceled the alliance with me. This was a war where I stood for most of the fighting and was the reason why we won the war.
Is there anyone that is used to fight in the HRE that can tell me if this is common? Or am I just bad at making people trust me?
I have no idea of the actual mechanics, but a lot of the people in the HRE have opposing goals, even if they align from time to time. Ultimately you all want to subjugate each other.
If I were looking for an ally, it'd be someone like Burgundy, Poland, Venice, France, or Hungary. Someone on the periphery that can step in when need be.
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So I'm up to 1743 in my latest game as Aragon. Formed Spain, but not before Castile went into full colony mode. They're left with two territories on the Iberian Peninsula, but have huge expansions in NE Asia, all over the Americas, and eastern Africa. Pricks.
I ended up colonizing Florida through Texas, everything from W Africa to S Africa, Madagascar, and have recently started taking over all of Ming China. I'm the most powerful Western European nation as it is, having Naples, classic Spanish territories on the Iberian Peninsula, southern France, and a number of islands around the Mediterranean. I have the Papal States as a Vassal, the Curia locked down for the past 200 years, and really strong allies in Burgundy and Portugal.
But, the Ottomans have expanded and now own everything from the Caucasus to Tunisia. They can roll around with 130 stack of troops like it's no big deal. I have no idea how to knock them down a peg.
If I were looking for an ally, it'd be someone like Burgundy, Poland, Venice, France, or Hungary. Someone on the periphery that can step in when need be.
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So I'm up to 1743 in my latest game as Aragon. Formed Spain, but not before Castile went into full colony mode. They're left with two territories on the Iberian Peninsula, but have huge expansions in NE Asia, all over the Americas, and eastern Africa. Pricks.
I ended up colonizing Florida through Texas, everything from W Africa to S Africa, Madagascar, and have recently started taking over all of Ming China. I'm the most powerful Western European nation as it is, having Naples, classic Spanish territories on the Iberian Peninsula, southern France, and a number of islands around the Mediterranean. I have the Papal States as a Vassal, the Curia locked down for the past 200 years, and really strong allies in Burgundy and Portugal.
But, the Ottomans have expanded and now own everything from the Caucasus to Tunisia. They can roll around with 130 stack of troops like it's no big deal. I have no idea how to knock them down a peg.
The Unlawful Province is a bit silly. Basically, if you have control of a HRE territory that's not also cored, the Emperor can demand it from you regardless of whether or not you're HRE proper. Assenting to this decision means giving it back to the country you stole it from or possibly bringing in an old HRE nation back from the dead. Refusing comes with severe penalties.
This decision is, I believe, totally random if the AI is an emperor. I didn't get many demands in my Brandenburg game possibly because i had Austria allied from the very start. But once Bohemia took over the throne, they started demanding my conquests.
So your only choices here are:
1) Diplo Annex
2) Be friends with the emperor
3) Become the emperor
In other news, does anyone have any protips for playing Venice?
Burgundy does not exist anymore
Poland has decided that I am his rival
France still trying
Hungary is not in a very strong position after the last war against Poland and Austria
Thats leaves Venice...
Thanks for the information.
Doing a Venice game as boot camp for EU4GAF MP.
Ottomans - 1489
63/62 Naval Force Limit
29 Light Ships
23 Galleys
11 Transports
Ottomans - 1492
66/66 Naval Force Limit
12 Heavy Ships
15 Light Ships
25 Galleys
14 Transports
Well played, Ottomans. Well played.
Annnnnd I just got coalition blobbed by France and Castille. What the hell????
Ottomans - 1489
63/62 Naval Force Limit
29 Light Ships
23 Galleys
11 Transports
Ottomans - 1492
66/66 Naval Force Limit
12 Heavy Ships
15 Light Ships
25 Galleys
14 Transports
Well played, Ottomans. Well played.
Annnnnd I just got coalition blobbed by France and Castille. What the hell????
So, I am finally going to try a decent run on a fully randomized map, see how that works and compares to the normal world map. Since I assume not many here tried that, I'll try to post what happens. To make things a bit smoother on my first try I am going to take a random nation,but it needs to than 2 + less than 8 provinces big. First random nation with those criterias is mine.
Bosnia it is! Which sucks a bit because they arent western, but I'll make do for my first try:
This is the rest of the currently known world:
My biggest problem is probably going to be Novgorod. Past that, the HRE seems to be HUGE, so I might try to get some provinces around me and then see how the southern part of the continent is looking. I started off by taking the 50 prestige mission which will give me 1 Stab, and plan on immediately declaring war on Moldavia (3 provinces in the south) and Wallachia (1 prov), which are both Romanian/Orthodox, so I should be able to feed them each other and keep Moldavia as a vassal until annexing them.
I will take the -2 stab hit to get my war on Moldavia, since otherwise they might be allying muscovy or Novgorod. Better to make some expansion before the starting alliances hit. I can also afford grabbing a general, because of my 4-1-6 ruler, which is quite nice. I'll also need to spend the first 200 admin points on getting my stab back up.
I started the war, expectedly won it, took Moldavia as my Vassal, and am currently taking over the provinces. While doing that , I took a look at the trade nodes, and saw that I have my own trade node and a decent setup to make some money via trade after grabbing a few of those provinces:
Unfortunately, I then noticed that Novgorod apparently allied themselves to Moldavia after I attacked them and still decided to join the war. After a few months, they were willing to let the war go for a simple "defeat", though without my losing anything from the war. Once the war was over for good, I started improving relations with Novgorod (so I can get them to help my decimate muscovy) and preparing a claim on Ragusa (1 province country to the north of bosnia which has no ally yet), which I might simply annex and then core to get access to the colonizable provinces north of it.
Also, new heir happened:
Funnily enough, Novgorod sent me the alliance proposal right after our relations went positive, so thats a good step for now. I'll keep improving the relations, and hope we can tackle muscovy together eventually. Other than that, there are a few colonizable regions next to my country which are really tempting and I might attack something to the south of novgorod for further expansion, because the muscovy/serbia alliance is a bit too strong for me to tackle atm. After that, 5 years have passed and I stopped my first session with the following end results:
Other than Novgorod and me expanding a bit, not much else seemed to have happened in "Europe". Not sure how much I am going to play with this mod, because it does seem to slow down the time heavily, but I'll try a few sessions I think.
Bosnia it is! Which sucks a bit because they arent western, but I'll make do for my first try:
This is the rest of the currently known world:
My biggest problem is probably going to be Novgorod. Past that, the HRE seems to be HUGE, so I might try to get some provinces around me and then see how the southern part of the continent is looking. I started off by taking the 50 prestige mission which will give me 1 Stab, and plan on immediately declaring war on Moldavia (3 provinces in the south) and Wallachia (1 prov), which are both Romanian/Orthodox, so I should be able to feed them each other and keep Moldavia as a vassal until annexing them.
I will take the -2 stab hit to get my war on Moldavia, since otherwise they might be allying muscovy or Novgorod. Better to make some expansion before the starting alliances hit. I can also afford grabbing a general, because of my 4-1-6 ruler, which is quite nice. I'll also need to spend the first 200 admin points on getting my stab back up.
I started the war, expectedly won it, took Moldavia as my Vassal, and am currently taking over the provinces. While doing that , I took a look at the trade nodes, and saw that I have my own trade node and a decent setup to make some money via trade after grabbing a few of those provinces:
Unfortunately, I then noticed that Novgorod apparently allied themselves to Moldavia after I attacked them and still decided to join the war. After a few months, they were willing to let the war go for a simple "defeat", though without my losing anything from the war. Once the war was over for good, I started improving relations with Novgorod (so I can get them to help my decimate muscovy) and preparing a claim on Ragusa (1 province country to the north of bosnia which has no ally yet), which I might simply annex and then core to get access to the colonizable provinces north of it.
Also, new heir happened:
Funnily enough, Novgorod sent me the alliance proposal right after our relations went positive, so thats a good step for now. I'll keep improving the relations, and hope we can tackle muscovy together eventually. Other than that, there are a few colonizable regions next to my country which are really tempting and I might attack something to the south of novgorod for further expansion, because the muscovy/serbia alliance is a bit too strong for me to tackle atm. After that, 5 years have passed and I stopped my first session with the following end results:
Other than Novgorod and me expanding a bit, not much else seemed to have happened in "Europe". Not sure how much I am going to play with this mod, because it does seem to slow down the time heavily, but I'll try a few sessions I think.
Haven't had any crash. Maybe something on your end?
BTW. Does anybody know how to zoom in and out with the keyboard? I like playing in my laptop and there's no scroll wheel there.
Whaaaaaaat, nooooooo.
That shit was expensive, I thought that was a good enough balance in itself.
That kind of sucks. As much as I was annoyed by the AI's tendency to use each other's islands like a bunch of stoners passing around a joint, I liked that it opened an avenue of play for a lot of minor powers who would've been pigeonholed into being conquest fodder otherwise.
Yeah, it seems more restrictive than anything else.
Eh I was never a big fan of the fleet basing right thing. I always thought it would be weird (from a role playing/realism point of view) that a colonizing country like Portugal would give fleet basing rights to another country, which would then go on to a competitor in colonization.
Well, how I'd abuse it would be to get rights from a native country right next to the place I wanted to colonize. Get rights from Mali/Songhai, colonize Ivory Coast. That sort of thing.
Well, to succeed at colonizing with someone like Denmark or Venice, you have to do what you can do.Yeah, that feels kind of gamey to me as well I guess heh
I wonder how it'll all shake out now.
If nothing else, the whole sharing fleet rights thing meant European nations typically tripped over one another to colonize stuff. While it did mean a harder time for the natives, it also meant Europe had even more reason to fight among itself.
Now that Portugal can basically hold a monopoly on the new world... I wonder what the lategame will look like.
Now that Portugal can basically hold a monopoly on the new world... I wonder what the lategame will look like.
Must be blind, but I cannot find any large changes on protectorates. Still cannot understand why I want to deal with it instead of just take the country.
And no colonies in my Hansa game...
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Well, time for portugal to die.
That might explain why I have huge problems expanding in the HRE as Hansa. Even 5-10 years between wars where I only take one province at the time creates huge amount of AE.
On the other hand after I supported France in the war against England I now own part of Ireland. If everything goes as planned I will soon jump to Africa.
Denmark is now in war with Muscovy which means that the only country close by that really could give me problem is busy on another front. Now I can only hope that the war exhaustion will create rebels so that Sweden gets released from Denmark, then I can declare war against Denmark
There is an AE modifier for conquests within the HRE. You gain it much faster there and gain it on the entire HRE.
Is this just for conquest within the HRE or is it also for conquering land outside the HRE?
Conquest (and forced vassalization) within.
Thanks!
Thanks! This would have made my peaceful Savoy/Sardinia-Piemonte game in our multiplayer game completely impossible to achieve.
Is it possible to load an save from the base EUIV if you want to play that save with the conquest of paradise expansion? I am starting to think that my Hansa game should have been started with the conquest of paradise expansion, which I still do not own (did not see the need for it).
Frankfurter
Member
How on earth do I defeat France? I'm Castille... er Spain by now. I've the Spanish mainland, I've conquered (also cored, converted etc.) Morocco and parts of Algiers + the stuff that I got from Aragon (Sicily, Sardinia, Malta), so I'm doing okay.
I got a few colonies (maybe 10), although to be honest due to me being noob I'm still kind of confused because some of those colonies are now sort of independent. They pay me, but I can't build there anymore, others are still dependant (both "types" in South America).
Anyways, it's my first proper game, so I play on easy and most wars have been reasonably easy tbh. I've had no issues with Morocco except when I once attacked them while they were allied with the Ottomans lol ^^
But with France I'm having serious problems. I'm allied with Naples (and Portugal, recently also formed an alliance with Hungary) and for whatever reason they declared war to a pretty huge coalition (France, Switzerland, Bohemia), so I decided to jump in but that didn't turn out too well. First, I'm simply overwhelmed by their sheer amount of forces, I've like 80 regiments atm, but they have a tad more. Second, my morale drops like a stone once I engage in battle with an army of France roughly the same size as mine. I also always get a penalty due to their general being better than mine, so I pretty much can't attack because I'd probably be at sth. like -5 oder -6 due to the terrain malus.
But defending also is a lost cause in the long term... :/
What do I do? I'd need superior tech (I can't do that as I'm always slightly ahead of time on that one) and/or superior morale and/or superior generals, but I've no clue how to do that.
The thing is also that I feel like I can't wait much longer. After losing said France war, I decided to load the save before the war and didn't join, but that of course resulted in stupid Naples losing the war and France now having two provinces in Italy. They are getting bigger and bigger, their allies are also reasonably big and are often engaged in wars in central europe and they tend to be the winning team.
Btw. I definitely can't make them friends. They've hated me since day 1 and also declared war on me two or three times before.
I'm currently in the year 1572, tech levels are 13/14/14, I chose economic, exploration and offensive as my ideas so far (just recently maxed them out).
I got a few colonies (maybe 10), although to be honest due to me being noob I'm still kind of confused because some of those colonies are now sort of independent. They pay me, but I can't build there anymore, others are still dependant (both "types" in South America).
Anyways, it's my first proper game, so I play on easy and most wars have been reasonably easy tbh. I've had no issues with Morocco except when I once attacked them while they were allied with the Ottomans lol ^^
But with France I'm having serious problems. I'm allied with Naples (and Portugal, recently also formed an alliance with Hungary) and for whatever reason they declared war to a pretty huge coalition (France, Switzerland, Bohemia), so I decided to jump in but that didn't turn out too well. First, I'm simply overwhelmed by their sheer amount of forces, I've like 80 regiments atm, but they have a tad more. Second, my morale drops like a stone once I engage in battle with an army of France roughly the same size as mine. I also always get a penalty due to their general being better than mine, so I pretty much can't attack because I'd probably be at sth. like -5 oder -6 due to the terrain malus.
But defending also is a lost cause in the long term... :/
What do I do? I'd need superior tech (I can't do that as I'm always slightly ahead of time on that one) and/or superior morale and/or superior generals, but I've no clue how to do that.
The thing is also that I feel like I can't wait much longer. After losing said France war, I decided to load the save before the war and didn't join, but that of course resulted in stupid Naples losing the war and France now having two provinces in Italy. They are getting bigger and bigger, their allies are also reasonably big and are often engaged in wars in central europe and they tend to be the winning team.
Btw. I definitely can't make them friends. They've hated me since day 1 and also declared war on me two or three times before.
I'm currently in the year 1572, tech levels are 13/14/14, I chose economic, exploration and offensive as my ideas so far (just recently maxed them out).
Have a CB waiting and declare war when they're engaged in a moderately difficult one. Hopefully you will have a decent alliance of your own. Then they have two difficult wars to fight in.
You can also fire generals until you get a good one. You don't have to keep the first one you recruit.
A lot of it is about being proactive. If you sense some difficulty 100+ years down the road, start dealing with it ASAP in more subversive ways, such as denying them allies and making expansion more difficult. Build up a solid navy, get great trade power in their major nodes, and then embargo them. That sort of stuff.
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Also, saw that you went eco/explor/offensive. You want Diplo fast to get the additional ambassador and relationships. Being able to have 6 helps tons.
You can also fire generals until you get a good one. You don't have to keep the first one you recruit.
A lot of it is about being proactive. If you sense some difficulty 100+ years down the road, start dealing with it ASAP in more subversive ways, such as denying them allies and making expansion more difficult. Build up a solid navy, get great trade power in their major nodes, and then embargo them. That sort of stuff.
*edit*
Also, saw that you went eco/explor/offensive. You want Diplo fast to get the additional ambassador and relationships. Being able to have 6 helps tons.
So I have been playing just a few hours of CK2 (like 10) and have just touched the surface.
But a friend and I both have EU4 (bought during the sale) and haven't played much, will my "knowledge" carry over.
And finally what game should I continue to play and really invest time into
But a friend and I both have EU4 (bought during the sale) and haven't played much, will my "knowledge" carry over.
And finally what game should I continue to play and really invest time into
I would start with EU4 since I think it is the most beginner friendly Paradox grand strategy series. Also it is fun to play multiplayer if you and your friend want to do that. If you enjoy the dark age setting though, CK2 is loads of fun (as you probably have found), but has bit more micromanagement and a few more layers that could trip up newer players when compared to EU4.
I would play EU4, personally, and then maybe give CK2 more a shot down the line. Maybe when the India DLC hits.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Some people find CK2 more approachable/easier because of the more RPG-esque micromangement parts.