TFEU referenced here is Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
Did you know that, in a democracy, there still can be things enacted even if you voted against it? Outrageous, I know.
And what a bang up job the failed state of Hungary managed.
Wait, voting against something means that a positive outcome doesn't apply to you?
Ahaha, you have no idea what you're talking about. Good.
Actually, yes, we did sign up for that, to subsidize them and then hopefully in the long term they would become net payers.
Hungary's stance is that the people coming in now are not refugees with their lives in danger. With the Syrian refugee crisis that was a lot harder to defend of course, but the current immigrants are not from Syria at all.
And how do they decide that by not providing an appropriate asylum process, and instead detain and deport people unlawfully?
How about the whole text that you quoted and not just an out of context excerpt?
It doesn't say anything about unlawful detention and breaching the European Convention on Human Rights, now does it? Jesus dude.
HAHAHA. Wow, yeah I guess you have me there.
I'll debate you, what's your source for "hundreds of millions", or anything else you've been wrong about so far?
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54269#.WbAi9rJJaHs
Yeah, as a French citizen I am ashamed of the little number of refugees we took.
Ah I see, so making shit up while not having a single clue.
I am not saying I like Orban. I am saying the situation is a little bit more nuanced then Hungary = evil, EU = good guys. There are very real problems with the whole process and how the EU is going about it. It is not for nothing that Italy is in the process of stopping charities from rescuing people near their coast, or that France is in talks with African nations about stopping the immigration streams. Multiple countries have also done the same as Hungary with protecting their border, but not gotten nearly the same amount of hate over it, like Bulgaria and Macedonia.
You can tell that in part by looking at the stats where people are coming from at the moment. Yes, there are more things happening in the world. But that does not mean that all those people should flee to Europe. Why did almost as many Moroccans as Syrians try to cross the Mediterranean this year for example? Why do people need to come in from Nigeria, a very large country where we can set up local help with the government there?
People applying for asylum now doesn't mean they are the recent immigrants I think.
Talking about the situation before the crisis. Greece and Italy have been dealing with large numbers of people coming in for years. Not until they were literally crossing the borders in the tens of thousands towards Germany did we start caring. Now those countries act like they have the moral high ground, while they were perfectly fine with ignoring the situation until it reached their own doorstep.
You're also making it sound easier than it is. What if you don't even know where the person is coming from? What if this person happens to come from a persecuted group that has no protection from the government? The main rule is that you can't deport a person unless you're absolutely sure that he or she won't be persecuted or sent to a third country where that could happen. It's upp to the person making claims to prove such persecution, but it's up to the state to try the evidence and provide a robust legal process for doing so.
Reciepts dude, stop acting like an opinion pulled from your ass is worth anything.
This is why France wants to set up centers in for example Libya, so we don't have people entering Europe in large numbers with no clue who they are. I am not pretending it is simple. It is a very complicated situation, which is why I can't fault some countries too much for not going along with whatever the EU decides right now.
Fertility rate is declining, which will continue depending on how the economic development of the continent goes. But the population itself will keep growing for some time indeed. Should not be a problem, it's a gigantic land mass, but again, depends on how the economy goes mostly.
If you actually look at what Hungary has been doing to keep people out, and how it has violated several conventions in doing so while countries who actually took people in are dealing with matters much better I don't think you have an argument for not going along with what the EU decides if you are a part of it, no.
