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European Monthly Charts May - 1- Switch sales up 39%, 2- PS5 up 81%, Xbox Series S/X in third position, down 16%
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yes, very nice numbers for switch and ps5 xbox ughh
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I only recognize Aaron in this group who works for Xbox. The rest of them do not work (at least, officially) for Xbox.I mean they work at Xbox & this was most likely done just to post on social networks . I don't think they running around doing this on normal occasions
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh, it's official.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
What are you talking about?
Sony has released 10+ exclusive big games since launch. All those games count, because all those games are available to play to someone who is just buying a PS5 now. All those play a role and serve as an incentive to buy a PS5.
Second, just this year, Sony has launched Horizon Burning Shores. Final Fantasy XVI is launching as a big PS5 exclusive next month. And Spider-Man 2's marketing has started, which is releasing in 5 months. Other games like Helldivers 2 and Stellar Blade are also scheduled for this year.
All these games would play a role in a buyer's decision. It's rare that a gamer would buy a $500 console for just 1 game. They need a catalog of games to play.
Pop
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cinnamonandgravy
Member
microsoft, just fire everyone, including yourselves, and start over.
Represent.
Banned
Good to see Microsoft’s Gamepass strategy fail miserably.
I look forward to seeing Sony’s GAAS trash approach fail next.
And then hopefully Nintendos next console fails hard like WiiU if it’s another weak underpowered box.
The holy trinity of floppage will result in the industry reset that is needed
I look forward to seeing Sony’s GAAS trash approach fail next.
And then hopefully Nintendos next console fails hard like WiiU if it’s another weak underpowered box.
The holy trinity of floppage will result in the industry reset that is needed
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
"Here in Japan" doesn't really mean much when the numbers sold are so pitifully low that it is clearly not an issue of supply.
Kataploom
Gold Member
They are not reticent to that idea, they wish it was the case actually, they would be happy having Game Pass on every console, but clearly platforms holders don't think the same, that would mean losing control and potential revenues on purchased games.
Would be interesting to compare how much of that is slowing down vs. 22 accelerating (since we only have % relative difference in this chart). Q1 was PS5s lowest point last year, and there was a gradual uptick every quarter after.
Tsaki
Member
GamePass is a non-starter for the other platforms and Microsoft knows it very well. They might as well make an offer "We'll put our games to your platforms but you get 0% cut from the sales". It is just an easily refusable "offer" and an excuse to then come back and say "Hey we tried but THEY are the problem this doesn't work out".
Of course MS is forced to release their games Day 1 on Steam now, which gets 30% cut just like Sony and Nintendo and it also doesn't support GP, because if they don't their PC initiative is dead.
If Microsoft came to Nintendo and Sony and offered a GamePass-lite with only their 1st party games included, I'm sure they'd have no problem with it. But of course that won't happen.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's only $450 million though.
Shiny Pepe
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kaizenkko
Member
My man, I'm talking about this year, isn't obvious? In 2023 Sony don't released any big exclusives, but still are selling consoles very well. That's what I said.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
PS 1P games aren't Day 1 on PC unless they are live-service/GaaS titles. And that still isn't going to be the case for all of them.
Though I think Sony need to be more considerate about their marquee traditional games going to PC. IMO they should be 5-6 years out, or maybe even not at all. Nixxes could put their efforts towards porting and providing technical maintenance/updates for the PC versions of the live-service/GaaS titles instead.
That would be the ideal approach, anyway.
SuperSaiyanWithDreads
Banned
Where is stellar blade?
hmm, you're understanding of the word projected is amazing, double sales in May seems unlikely given they didn't in the EU (up 81%) or UK (down yoy) if the US doesn't come in up substantially, then they aren't hitting that projection. , and well see with June,after another record quarter ...
Physiognomonics
Member
Perspective. It was obvious the short term revenue on PC would increase. But:
- How is the FY23 for first party sales on PS5?
- The FY22 and FY23 include Bungie PC sales. How much did they pay for Bungie and how much much did those Bungies sales accounted for the increase?
- Won't people eventually decide to fully enter the PC ecosystem if the games are available on PC? Maybe in 2024 people will decide they can play Spider-man X/ God of War X and COD on PC for less money and not pay for online?
- On PC Sony make actually peanuts profits as Steam are taking 30%, games are less expensive by default AND they have to port the games for PC.
- Etc.
Not fixed at all, Sonys someday maybe PC releases dont weaken the demand for the console like day one availability. i.e. They only release on PC once the games console demand has dried up.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Dont worry. Ricky said starfield shift gangbusters Xbox's and game pass subs.
Unknown Soldier
Member
At least we know why EU approved the MS acquisition of ABK now. Xbox doesn't exist in EU, why would they give a fuck about it there?
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
It will help a lot, but Microsoft needs consistency, Starfield alone won't move the needle (in market share), but if Microsoft starts to deliver quality games consistently people will believe in Xbox and will jump ship.
Prob clearing out to make room for ff and then spiderman 2 bundles.Yeah it should help.
In uk it just got a price cut today and jumped a bit in the amazon movers and shakers chart
And in the USA it's the highest positioned console in the best sellers chart
I'd imagine they want to get rid of these bundles as they've been hanging around for a few months now, on ps direct it says the price will stay at that until end of july so for a while.
All Xbox games releasing day and date on PC is significantly different from the delayed release of select PS5 games on PC.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Right, they should not be enthusiastic or excited about the brand they represent, I definately would love those people on the team. Like seriously what would you have them do, give the finger or run away?
Must be a joke post.
yazenov
Member
Someone tell Ricky that it won't move the needle sales wise. It could give the Xbox a temporary boost in sales if the reviews are Zelda like quality, but most of its sales will be on the PC anyways. You don't need an Xbox to play this game. Sales will be back to normal (as in bad) for Xbox Series after a month or so.
Xbox needs multiple quality games released with consistency in inorder generate sales momentum, which unfortunately for them is not going to happen, given their track record of mediocrity and inconsistency with first party game releases.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The platforms that have delivered great games are getting the numbers they deserve...
One platform needs to sort their shit out and then they should be joining the club.
One platform needs to sort their shit out and then they should be joining the club.
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Stare-Bear
Banned
Can’t believe Microsoft is letting Phil Spencer spend billions upon billions with these results.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I think it's too late even if the games started flooding from end of this year, this gen is lost for Xbox pretty much. At least any allusions of reversing the trend of PS gaining higher and higher split of the market.
No console has ever declined so clearly YoY in their 3rd year on market then started selling great afaik.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I didn't, but I get why some might. To get the OLED version probably. I don't play it enough to justify buying 2 or 3 and my family are not "Nintendo people" lol My sister liked the last Animal Crossing on 3DS, but she is more of a Sims fan and continued to play that series, I had her try the new Animal Crossing on Switch for a few months and she wasn't feeling it.
Thus.....we moved on.
I don't see much coming in the future that I want to play on Switch so, I kinda get why some might not buy another, I get why some would if their family members play this publishers titles and they want to upgrade or something.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
There would definitely be a higher console-per-person ratio in households in the case of Nintendo Switch.
A handheld device just feels more personal. And sharing it might not even be feasible if a family (working parents + kid) all go to their office and schools and game during commute or breaks. Everyone would need a separate device.
On the other hand, a traditional high-end console is sitting under the TV, where everyone can plug and play. It is not as personal and also never goes out with the person who is traveling.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Yes - that makes Microsoft’s appeal very difficult indeed as they can only hope to get the CAT to get the CMA to review their decision by claiming the CMA didn’t do due diligence.
The CMA have reviewed tens of thousands of documents, used statistics that were provided by Microsoft and were unchallenged by Microsoft at the time the decision was taken. They’ve transparently published their report (unlike many other regulators) and established that Microsoft do currently and have the most means to control the future cloud market.
Many other regulators concluded the same thing. The CMA does not want to have to regulate that market in the future due to having to (in all likelihood) step in, break up Microsoft’s operations or issue huge fines. Based on that they blocked.
It’s going to be very hard for Microsoft to argue the CMA didn’t do their due diligence when they’ve probably done the most out of all of the regulatory bodies, including the EU.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Exactly.
Microsoft only has two legit options:
1. Convince the CAT that Cloud is not a separate market (99.9% unlikely because every regulator counts it as a separate market).
2. Prove to CAT that the CMA made a mathematical error in calculating xCloud's market share in the UK.
If MS could do neither of these things, this deal is gonna remain blocked.
MasterCornholio
Member
Didn't Microsoft accept those calculations though? The only ones they complained about was the console market. They seemed fine with the cloud one.
Tams
Member
Cue glitch montage.
FunkMiller
Member
It’s hilarious that people are still defending Phil, despite the fact it’s all happened on his watch.
Xbox could have been a serious contender this gem with someone with a better attitude in charge. Let’s hope they fire him and get someone else for the next one who can make Xbox Series XXX more of a success.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Yes.
I think they genuinely thought the merger could only be blocked on the grounds of the console market and didn’t robustly think of the cloud angle. They’ve made a lot of noise about how big their cloud operation is, what their ambitions are, that Sony and Nintendo aren’t in a position to compete on that front etc and now cloud is in focus. I bet they wish they hadn’t made such chest beating statements now.
Add in that Google didn’t feel they could compete with Stafia (due to not possessing the same advantages as Microsoft) and cloud becomes even more of a sore point for Microsoft to defend. They hold many of the best cards for cloud - giving them more doesn’t seem logical for the CMA to approve.
It would be interesting to know if Sony were caught off guard by the cloud focus too, or whether in some masterlcass move Ryan et all successfully diverted
Microsoft’s attention to console knowing that Cloud could also be an issue. I doubt it’s the latter, but that thought is amusing.
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ChuckeRearmed
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I just realised that I myself own 2 switches - original one and OLED 
MasterCornholio
Member
Microsoft did a lot to inflate their numbers. I'm not sure how they are going to use that to fight their case.
" Yeah those numbers we gave thr CMA we manipulated them to make them look bigger"
I honestly dont see that happening.
Tams
Member
Phil got it completely wrong.*
Xbox/Microsoft have the most powerful console and no games
, while Nintendo have the least powerful one and the most exclusive (and great) games.
Sony are the in the middle and are in the middle sales wise.
*He did recognise that exclusives matter, but weighting it so heavily in favour of snatching up third parties rather than fostering and building internal teams is the problem.
Xbox/Microsoft have the most powerful console and no games
, while Nintendo have the least powerful one and the most exclusive (and great) games. Sony are the in the middle and are in the middle sales wise.
*He did recognise that exclusives matter, but weighting it so heavily in favour of snatching up third parties rather than fostering and building internal teams is the problem.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Their only genuine route to getting this over the line is political interference. Brad Smith’s initial statements were designed to do that and now Microsoft are meeting with the Chancellor over the issue.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't think getting politicians to force the CMA to change their minds is going to work. That would look extremely bad if it happens especially given the type of organisation the CMA is.
StealthGoblin
Banned
It’s the most corrupt government the U.K. has ever had. They’ve repeatedly tried to be ‘open for business’. They’ll be easy to manipulate because they are so far behind in the polls and the election draws near.