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Ex- NHL Player, Adam Johnson, 29, dies after getting his neck slashed by a skate in freak accident during game.
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Soodanim
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I've been trying to keep an open mind, but I see no reason for the leg to be that high. Ice hockey is ice hockey, but the sport's nature doesn't invalidate the danger of a fast moving metal blade with the weight of an adult human behind it.
I don't care how engrossed in an aggressive sport you are, if I'm that player I'm not letting my leg get that high if I have any say in the matter -- which I think he did.
I'm not saying he deserves to be charged with manslaughter, and I don't know he will be. But I don't doubt that it was reckless and I believe it was an avoidable death.
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SidViscous
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Wasn’t this guy already the most booked player in the division? Imagine giving this idiot a standing ovation for being reckless and killing another player.
Hope he never sets foot on an ice rink again.
Hope he never sets foot on an ice rink again.
TurboGrafx16
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CNN - Man released on bail following arrest on suspicion of manslaughter over death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, police say
In an update on Wednesday, police said that the man has been released on bail as the investigation continues.Interesting he wasn’t just released and free to go. He bailed out as investigation continues. So I guess we’ll see if criminal charges are next.
Tams
Member
Complete supposition, but I reckon the police are being extra cautious and diligent over this because of you know why. Plus, they aren't the Met.
Still sickening to see people giving him a standing ovation.
Randall365
Member
If it helps, he was arrested for manslaughter, which means that he was either committing an unlawful act (karate kicking a guy in the chest when he has pads on) or was criminally negligent, when Johnson was killed.
If they thought he was deliberately trying the cut the guy, it would have been an arrest for murder.
FWIW I think any jury would convict for involuntary manslaughter with that video - he has just kicked him.
If they thought he was deliberately trying the cut the guy, it would have been an arrest for murder.
FWIW I think any jury would convict for involuntary manslaughter with that video - he has just kicked him.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Pretty much, he had zero reason to bring his leg up that far in that moment. Guilty as fuck.
winjer
Gold Member
I doubt his intentions were to murder. But it's pretty clear he had intentions of hurting the other player.
But he miscalculated and murdered a man. Like you said, guilty as fuck.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Aye there was probably no intention but christ, the one place you don't want a skate to hit!
From the videos he sure knows what he's doing though. I'd book the bastard. I've just read he's out on bail anyway.
I guess kicking someone in the throat killing them isnt enough to keep you in these days
I'm starting to wonder what does keep you locked up these days apart from pretend stuff.
Ogbert
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Yes, involuntarily manslaughter is a given, but that’s little more than agreeing it was an accident.
The test will be if they can prove the criminal negligence which, in sporting terms, means recklessness. They *could*, but it would be exceedingly difficult.
AJUMP23
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Personally I think it would be hard to prove there was intent in it. I think he was wild and trying to kick. Not trying to kill. Death is what happened though. What is suitable as a result. Does he get tried for involuntary manslaughter and convicted, is that a fine with restitution to the family. Is he banned from the game. What constitutes proper penance.
Tams
Member
The problem with that comparison is that punching someone in the face is undoubtedly intention to cause serious harm. The intent in this though is much harder to judge.
He certainly intended to foul him, but other than that?
I reckon what will happen is that he will go to prison for a few years for manslaughter. I'd hope he never plays ice hockey again, but judging by the standing ovation the clowns gave him, he might well play again. If at that point other players don't just refuse to play with him... well then maybe the government should shut down the league.
Represent.
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You can’t punch someone in the face by accident, that’s a deliberate move. This was a freak accident. Completely different scenario
Edit: released on bail I see
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DeepEnigma
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He didn't lift his leg in a donkey kick fashion "by accident" either. Especially when skates are sharpened to bite into the ice to keep you from recklessly sliding around. You have to want to lift your leg like that.
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Represent.
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Yeah, I'm most likely going to be proven right in the end, as usual. He aint gonna be charged with shit, as it was clearly a freak accident.
I'll let them do a thorough investigation though. But I dont see how anyone can prove INTENT. They cant. They wont.
But hey, Im the dumbass.
none of you know shit about fuck
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i hope he gets off
Yeah, I'm most likely going to be proven right in the end, as usual. He aint gonna be charged with shit, as it was clearly a freak accident.
I'll let them do a thorough investigation though. But I dont see how anyone can prove INTENT. They cant. They wont.
But hey, Im the dumbass.
none of you know shit about fuck
imo you do not deserve the hate my man be strong.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Cause he's the real victim here.
the dead guy and the guy who got charged are both victims imo.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There is only one victim, the guy who lost his life.
winjer
Gold Member
What complete nonsense.
DJ12
Member
I hope no one kicks the sympathisers in the throat while ice skating if it's just an accident that can happen to anyone.
He kick him with fucking skates on. He didn't intend to kill the guy but he did.
I punch some in the face and they die is the fact I didn't mean for them to die get me off in a court of law?
Get real.
If he fell or otherwise slipped and his leg was that high, ok accident, but this was a deliberate action the twat took of his own volition and an innocent person died as a direct result.
He kick him with fucking skates on. He didn't intend to kill the guy but he did.
I punch some in the face and they die is the fact I didn't mean for them to die get me off in a court of law?
Get real.
If he fell or otherwise slipped and his leg was that high, ok accident, but this was a deliberate action the twat took of his own volition and an innocent person died as a direct result.
Represent.
Banned
Lmao at you folks not being able to distinguish the difference between deliberately punching someone in a fight, and playing a hockey game and accidently kicking someone with your skate while skating at 30km/h.
Just.. Holy shit lol
Just.. Holy shit lol
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DJ12
Member
Kick someone in the shins, fair play.
Neck get the fuck out of here. He kicked the man on purpose.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He deliberately lifted his skate to that height. What part of that is hard for you to understand?
Represent.
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DeepEnigma
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BossLackey
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Represent HAS to be trolling at this point.
Soodanim
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What I don't think you're getting is that no one disputes physics or that legs coming off the ground is possible. Posting examples of entirely different scenarios doesn't help with this particular case, because to many people it looks like he was in full control of his actions.
I very much doubt the speed was anywhere near that.
DeepEnigma
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transformer
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Tell me you've never played hockey and don't understand the sport... Take a look at all the videos you posted and compare to the incident being discussed in this thread. There are some glaring differences, which are, in my opinion, the reason he has been arrested.
BossLackey
Gold Member
Precisely. There literally isn't an example anywhere NEAR what Petgrave did. People weakly flailing after are a fall and a straight legged kick to the neck are so wildly different that it's intellectually dishonest to suggest they are the same or even similar.
Represent.
Banned
I watch hockey literally every day and have watched every single Leaf game for the past 13 years. Throw anything you got at me.
Differences yes, but they are cousins. They all have one thing in common. Missed hit + momentum + foot in the air after missed hit.
He was arrested on suspicion of manslaughter and released 17 hours later. While the investigation continues. The chances of him actually getting sentenced to anything are slim to none. imo
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Soodanim
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Actually, I've changed my mind. I'm very glad you posted this example, because if anything it looks like despite being mid-air the man pulls his leg down to make sure the blade strapped to his right leg isn't anywhere near the man behind him.
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John Marston
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This is still going on?
We have a contender for the Mia Khalifa thread
We have a contender for the Mia Khalifa thread
dem
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As someone who watches entirely too much hockey... and will be at the hockey rink every single day this week.
It was an accident that he got his foot up THAT high.... it wasn't an accident that he got his leg up. He was trying to make contact.
He won't get convicted of anything. Pretty much an impossible case to make.
It was an accident that he got his foot up THAT high.... it wasn't an accident that he got his leg up. He was trying to make contact.
He won't get convicted of anything. Pretty much an impossible case to make.
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DeepEnigma
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UnravelKatharsis
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UnravelKatharsis
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Lmao at you not being able to tell the difference between "he kicked him on purpose" and "HE KICKED HIM IN THE THROAT INTENTIONALLY WITH THE INTENT TO MURDER."
Just...holy shit lol.
Represent.
Banned
“I stabbed him on purpose and he died. I didn’t mean to kill him!”
That’s your stupid ass argument.
Now stop quoting me.
DeepEnigma
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Lifting your leg on purpose (why else would he be doing that, nothing tripped him up at all) and not meaning to kill someone can both coexist. And in this case, does.
Trilobit
Member
I've been avoiding the gif of the accident, but now I finally watched to form my own opinion. That was an incredibly unnatural motion of the left leg unless he was trying to make some sort of contact. Don't think he meant it to go that high up, but it looked very reckless. If I drive my car and make a reckless over-take and it kills another driver I can't see myself getting off scot-free, but I'm not a lawyer.
FeralEcho
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I take it back guys. I found the guilty player' brother, It's this guy or hell it might be the actual guy's account with that amount of nonsense in one post.
WhatDidHeSay?
Member
I'm just delighted that you're happy for them to go ahead and "do their investigation"... Thankyou soooo much for letting them do that.
Christ, I don't know what planet you're on buddy - I didn't realise you were the head of everything!
In reality I think you're more akin to a 'wet fart'.
Love you!
AREYOUOKAY?
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