Fable might have been scaled down due to engine issues and lack of wrpg expertise. Could release later than expected.
mejin
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sircaw
Banned
yep he is shite, i prefer Dealer gaming
Ever since that famous 51 fps tweet, he is my only source of trusted info.
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Hobbygaming
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I'm not saying the rumor is true but it sounds plausible given what that developer saidWatched the video. Massive pinch of salt.
No way is Playground of all devs having issues with Forzatech, and the bit about 'expertise' makes no sense since they've been hiring from the start to bring in that capability.
Looks more like it's well known that rumors like this brings more clicks.
A source that apparently doesn't leak the target release window, can't leak any info on story or setting or any relevant info on the game…how's that a source?
Rumor =/= News.
And maybe the Forza engine doesn't work well with many NPC's having their own AI or combat encounters, it was created strictly around racing after all
Hobbygaming
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Lol yup this is what I was thinking
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Were you just having some banter or being serious? For the sake of my mental health, I hope it's the former.
CeeJay
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Rykan
Member
I was told there would be no math.
MasterCornholio
Member
I think Guerrillas engine is just more adaptable to similar genres. If I were to guess playgrounds engine is probably finely tuned to Forza Horizon type games. Going from a refer to an open world RPG is probably a lot different than going from an FPS to an open world 3rd person game.
Shmunter
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EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
It's unfortunate fable never became Xbox's Zelda.
Captain Toad
Banned
Highest average metascore means absolutely nothing. You could release one good game. Or you could release 5 good games and 2 average games. The first has the higher average metacritic score. Who would really opt for that over the latter?
What's their average metacritic score so far in 2022?
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Ghost of Caelid
Banned
A whole thread on a colt eastwood leak...dont take what this guy says with a grain of salt. throw it right in the trash. Colt is good for news updates but outside of that hes not credible at all. Also what does scaled back mean when we have 0 knowledge of the game. Feels like most projects need to be scaled back. Elden ring was scaled back when you look at what was originally going to be included like the dream missions and flaming head. Or is it a total gut job? We dont know so this info kind of does nothing for us.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
Don't pigeonhole your studios. Imagine if naughty dog stuck to platformers or Guerrilla stuck to fps...let your studios take risk.
AmuroChan
Member
They doesn't prevent them from doing a 2nd party partnership, similar to Sony having Insomniac do Spider-Man before they were acquired by Sony.
Never had one. Didn't stop people from suggesting they will get it in 2022 though because "it's been in development since 2018". Some even went as far as to suggest the trailer might be in-engine which was a good laugh.
CeeJay
Member
Yeah PG use a modified ForzaTech engine originally developed by Turn10. This engine was also the base for flight Simulator as well which you could argue is more similar to racing as well than an RPG. It may not be ideal for an RPG but I guess they thought that having in depth knowledge of a not quite suitable engine is better than minimal knowledge of something that might be more suited.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Gutting. Absolutely gutting. Hope it just end up being good.
PuffyCan
Member
Colt Eastwood has always been a clown, even for xbox fans. That's not new, everything he says is bullshit
CeeJay
Member
Highest average over 5 games indicates consistently good scores for the entire year so it means something. One mediocre game would have brought the average right down. It could be a fluke but its certainly hinting a step up in quality. A Recore or a Crackdown 3 quality of game would have tanked the overall average.
As for their average this year...
Null
They haven't released anything yet. But by this time last year it would also have been null too. Microsoft need to spread their releases out a bit instead of cramming everything into the "holidays" window. Ok if you only have one or two games but not really acceptible when you have a higher potential output like they do now.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
If it is true yes but it is a rumor from Colt...So it is difficult to have a less credible source, though it is rare from him to say anything bad about Xbox in general.
StormCell
Member
This was relatively simple to get around. Just give our protag a horse that runs 200 mph and give him a special magical ability that allows him to also sprint 200 mph. Boom. Problem solved!Yeah, apparently...
"Fernandez reveals Playground had some trouble adapting to making an open-world game where you don't blast around in fancy cars at 200 mph."
Fable Progress Slow Due to Playground’s Lack of RPG Experience and Frugal Approach Says Dev
Fable development seems to be progressing rather slowly at Playground Games, and now we may have some new insights into why.wccftech.com
The guy in the video is saying the same thing reported almost three months ago. Playground is having problems using the Forza Horizon open world engine in an RPG.
I take checks as well as direct deposits, Microsoft.
Swift_Star
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oldergamer
Member
People that don't know what they are talking on these podcasts, need to stop reporting this type of stuff. Just like the last reporting on fable comments that took things out of context ( even after the poster that made them explained ).
"engine issues"? that makes little sense. Either the 3d game engine supports something or doesn't, or it does something well or doesn't.
The question is what is scaled back? The scope, the size, the playtime, the graphics, the physics, the audio, the game design, the story, etc... ? Games scale back on various elements all the time with the public hearing anything about it. These podcast guys are making statements that only lead to threads on forums like this one with every single person assuming they know what X means.
"engine issues"? that makes little sense. Either the 3d game engine supports something or doesn't, or it does something well or doesn't.
The question is what is scaled back? The scope, the size, the playtime, the graphics, the physics, the audio, the game design, the story, etc... ? Games scale back on various elements all the time with the public hearing anything about it. These podcast guys are making statements that only lead to threads on forums like this one with every single person assuming they know what X means.
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GymWolf
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Maybe they want someone who doesn't suck donkey balls at doing melee combat or combat in general??
Sure playground has no experience in combat, but if you hire obsidian you are sure that combat is gonna be some clunky shit, and kinda the same with bethesda tbh.
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Papacheeks
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Fable on Xbox Series X will be built using an unlikely engine
The next Fable game could look a little different
Fable Progress Slow Due to Playground’s Lack of RPG Experience and Frugal Approach Says Dev
Fable development seems to be progressing rather slowly at Playground Games, and now we may have some new insights into why.
wccftech.com
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
It hasn't been good for quite some time. A few teraflops over the PS5 was the last victory and it's proved to be of zero use so far.
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MasterCornholio
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I remember him making a tweet about a super patch and then deleted it.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
What do people expect?
MS gave a WRPG to the guys that have only ever made driving games...... why?
They own dedicated WRPG studios like Obsidian who are set up in terms of their engine and dev toolchain to be able to make RPGs. They should have given Fable to Obsidian.
MS gave a WRPG to the guys that have only ever made driving games...... why?
They own dedicated WRPG studios like Obsidian who are set up in terms of their engine and dev toolchain to be able to make RPGs. They should have given Fable to Obsidian.
John Wick
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And people were saying Sony were stupid to pay so much for Bungie a 1000+ developer with expertise in gaas games and FPS.The developer that only released racing games since 2012, may be struggling with a completely different genre of game?
John Wick
Member
Dealer is even a bigger wanker
MasterCornholio
Member
Yeah he spread those broken weak PS5 rumors.
Captain Toad
Banned
It's best to let studios work on what they want to work on. Naughty Dog had just been making 3D mascot platformers when they wanted to create Uncharted. Guerrilla Games was making FPS when they made Horizon.
Playground is a talented studio so if they want to create the next Fable, they should.
John Wick
Member
Totally agree. You can't replicate that British humour.
Yep. It's a big part of why I love it. And not just the humor. The whole experience is just profoundly british.
Imagine Hollywood doing a Monty Python reboot and you have my thoughts on how an american studio would handle this
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Wait, THAT'S the source? Really?!? That dude's never claimed to be an insider before, no one else has claimed them to be either. Now we've got a four-page thread?
Yeah, I'm out. We already know this game's not coming before 2024, only solid speculation or news I'm interested in is if the game comes earlier or gets pushed back behind 2024.
We already know the team is having issues. If they sort them out, cool. If not, it'll be a dud.
Hezekiah
Banned
Definitely doesn't make any sense, sounds like they have done a good amount of recruitment but it will likely set back timelines, and the engine will need a lot of retooling.
Topher
Identifies as young
That dude was spazzing out about having his own source. 15 minutes of fame.....
But There's barely anything in this rumor that aligns with what that developer said.
Source? Because there's absolutely no indication that the team is having any issues.
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lostinblue
Banned
I'm sure it is. But there is no guarantee that they wouldn't have the same problems with UE4/UE5.
UE training makes asset creation easier if as an artist you're used to that pipeline, but there's a lot more to an RPG.
As designed to be cost effective as it is for studios who don't have their own tech, UE is not a magic bullet.
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lostinblue
Banned
Don't assume for a second that a huge openworld map is not what you're getting here.
And Forza Engine excels at that.
I hope it's not bland like Ubisoft's, but it's like how every game was a collectathon in the late 90's. Everything is heavily "open world" now.
Topher
Identifies as young
Fable Progress Slow Due to Playground’s Lack of RPG Experience and Frugal Approach Says Dev
Fable development seems to be progressing rather slowly at Playground Games, and now we may have some new insights into why.
wccftech.com
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Just look above.
Also there was a team member at Playground who came out talking about how challenging development has been in parts, talking about how they're a team that's competing at making a giant AAA game with other, much larger teams, but still attempting to produce comparable results.
I don't have any of this bookmarked, though.
EDIT: Okay, so let's say I'm willing to give Gaz's rumor credibility. Maybe he actually has a source, let's just pretend that for a moment. Part of the other reason I can't take what's being mentioned here as real is because I don't want to. And I don't want to because if it's true, this game is in a lot more trouble than the last reports suggested. Maybe not Perfect Dark levels of issues, but not that far off. It'd also suggest XGS upper management really is just complete garbage.
But I especially want to give Playground the benefit of the doubt still because they've been a consistent developer with XGS for years. Whatever issues they may be having, I'd like to think they aren't severe enough to cause rampant downscaling of the design scope. So in a way yes, I don't necessarily buy this rumor due to selfish reasons on my part.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Wasn't Greenberg on one of their podcasts once?
I wouldn't completely eliminate him not having any connections.
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I wouldn't doubt it, not sure what that changes lol. Colt does not have a good track record.
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