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Fahrenheit 9/11 takes 21.8 mil over the weekend, breaks record
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Christian Taylor
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Yes, he sure does love this country and his fellow Americans: "They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet . . . in thrall to conniving, thieving smug [pieces of the human anatomy]," Moore intoned. "We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing."
"That's why we're smiling all the time," he told a rapturous throng in Munich. "You can see us coming down the street. You know, `Hey! Hi! How's it going?' We've got that big [expletive] grin on our face all the time because our brains aren't loaded down."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/opinion/26BROO.html
What a bunch of bull-sh!t. Typical Michael Moore. Oh, yes it sure "sold-out" in Fayetteville, but that's not much of an accomplishment when you realize, only one theater in the entire city showed it--a theater that only seats 87 people. Oh, boy, Michael Moore sure is conquering Bush-America! In a city of 302,963 he manages to find 87 people to watch his movie. Hilarious.
Christian Taylor
Banned
"You know, if this forum had to put up with weeks of "omglolzorz look at the passion sellz!," it can probably deal with a little of the same wrt this."
That's because the Passion actually sold. It's made $370,143,886, Fahrenheit 9/11 will be lucky to get a sixth of that.
That's because the Passion actually sold. It's made $370,143,886, Fahrenheit 9/11 will be lucky to get a sixth of that.
SolidSnakex
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"We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country."
You know, it's not like he's lying about that. We actually went over this on the old forum.
"That's because the Passion actually sold. It's made $370,143,886, Fahrenheit 9/11 will be lucky to get a sixth of that."
Compare the number of screens the Passion opened to compared to the number of screens Fahrenheit opened to. That might have a big thing to do with it. Throw in that documentaries aren't exactly the most popular of film forms.
You know, it's not like he's lying about that. We actually went over this on the old forum.
"That's because the Passion actually sold. It's made $370,143,886, Fahrenheit 9/11 will be lucky to get a sixth of that."
Compare the number of screens the Passion opened to compared to the number of screens Fahrenheit opened to. That might have a big thing to do with it. Throw in that documentaries aren't exactly the most popular of film forms.
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Vennt
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Christian Taylor said:
Considering that it was only $1.4 Million USD from making "a sixth of that" in it's opening weekend, I think you may need to revise your estimate somewhat
Freeburn.
Shogmaster
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The Passion of the Christ -
51%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941/
Fahrenheit 9/11 -
84%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/reviews.php
Consensus is that Fahrenheit 9/11 is the better movie.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941/
Fahrenheit 9/11 -
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/reviews.php
Consensus is that Fahrenheit 9/11 is the better movie.
Christian Taylor
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No, it has nothing to do with it. Fahrenheit is a very niche movie. It has no appeal outside the Northeast corridor and California. Opening in more theateres would have just meant a lot of empty seats.
That might have some relevence if this was a documentary. But let's look at the facts. The last Michael Moore "documentary" made 21 million dollars. Can you find me a religious movie in the last 25 years that's done that well, aside from the Passion.
I'd say the Passion had a larger hill to climb...
Christian Taylor
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Considering that it was only $1.4 Million USD from making "a sixth of that" in it's opening weekend, I think you may need to revise your estimate somewhat
$23.2 million is not 1/6 of $370 million.
SolidSnakex
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"Can you find me a religious movie in the last 25 years that's done that well, aside from the Passion.
I'd say the Passion had a larger hill to climb..."
I think you lose this argument just because Fahrenheit is already the highest grossing documentary ever (excluding the concert and IMAX films pointed out earlier) with the amount it's brought in so far. That says alot about how "popular" documentaries are. Just the fact that it could outgross every documentary ever with a single weekends gross of just over 20 million.
I'd say the Passion had a larger hill to climb..."
I think you lose this argument just because Fahrenheit is already the highest grossing documentary ever (excluding the concert and IMAX films pointed out earlier) with the amount it's brought in so far. That says alot about how "popular" documentaries are. Just the fact that it could outgross every documentary ever with a single weekends gross of just over 20 million.
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Doh... must, learn, to read posts properly before replying (esp. noting currencies involved )
My mistake, carry on
Freeburn.
)My mistake, carry on
Freeburn.
Christian Taylor
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"I think you lose this argument just because Fahrenheit is already the highest grossing documentary ever"
And Passion is the highest grossing religious picture in the last half century. I believe it's the only religious movie to break 10 million in over 25 years. Hell, make that 35 years!
The last religious movie of any note made 9 million dollars and that was 15 years ago. Religious films are not popular, actually they're much less popular than documentaries. So I think you lose this argument.
And Passion is the highest grossing religious picture in the last half century. I believe it's the only religious movie to break 10 million in over 25 years. Hell, make that 35 years!
The last religious movie of any note made 9 million dollars and that was 15 years ago. Religious films are not popular, actually they're much less popular than documentaries. So I think you lose this argument.
Catchpenny
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You think that theater only showed it once over the weekend?
I live in Ft. Myers, Florida, a fairly conservative area. Our local paper ran an article a few days ago discussing buildup for F 9/11, and talked about why only one theater would be showing it here this weekend. The reason given for this is that with the film's distribution issues, by the time they got around to offering it here, most theaters had committed all their screen space to other films. At least one other theater here will be showing it, but not until July 9th.
Now, I don't know enough about the theater business to verify how accurate that may be. However, it's doubtful theaters in "Bush America" are scared to show it thinking that people will be turned off by the ideology of the film. Plenty of conservatives will go see it, if only so they can tell their friends how awful they thought it was. For the record, the one theater playing it here sold out every show on Friday and Saturday.
Also, Dale Earnhardt Jr. told his pit crew they should all go see this, regardless of political orientation. So it'll be big in the south!!! *cue someone calling me a social racist or some nonsuch*
Shogmaster said:The Passion of the Christ -51%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941/
Fahrenheit 9/11 -84%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/reviews.php
Consensus is that Fahrenheit 9/11 is the better movie.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they got the scores they did...
Shogmaster
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Manders said:
Because everyone hates America and Jesus?
mjq jazz bar
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LOL THIS MOVIE IS NOT A DOCUMENTARY, MOORE HATES AMERICA BECAUSE HE SAYS WE AS A COLLECTIVE PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT, AND HE IS REALLY FAT AND ROLLS AROUND IN BUTTER!!!!
HAHAHAH!!!!
"DOCUMENTARY" ROFL...
No one's disproven this or any other of Moore's documentary's as fiction. I don't care how many times you guys pull hardylaw.com up, because I can find a similar site for any of your conservative demigods.
Give up.
It's a documentary.
He gets the point he wants to make across to the audience who is most receptive to it.
Get over it.
Michael Moore is successful because his films paint an interesting picture to those of us who already, in ways, believe America is falling short in many areas.
He is an idealogue. Get over it. Nothing will ever change that.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
HAHAHAH!!!!
"DOCUMENTARY" ROFL...
No one's disproven this or any other of Moore's documentary's as fiction. I don't care how many times you guys pull hardylaw.com up, because I can find a similar site for any of your conservative demigods.
Give up.
It's a documentary.
He gets the point he wants to make across to the audience who is most receptive to it.
Get over it.
Michael Moore is successful because his films paint an interesting picture to those of us who already, in ways, believe America is falling short in many areas.
He is an idealogue. Get over it. Nothing will ever change that.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Shogmaster
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Manders said:
Poor Jesus. No one likes him. He needs an agent.
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Vennt
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Manders said:
No, not a good one. :|
Shogmaster
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That's too bad.
Christian Taylor
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And that's meaningless. Why do you think F9/11 didn't open in more theaters? Because the demand wasn't there.
"But it sold out in San Francisco!!" And if you check you'll find that a lot of theaters in San Francisco and New York, LA, Chicago, and Baltimore are showing F9/11. But places like Fayetteville, and cities all across "fly-over country" have no desire to see this dreck, and as such, movie theaters in those cities aren't showing it. If there was a demand for this movie, they would show it. There's no demand outside of liberal bastions for this movie.
Documentaries are non-fiction. Michael Moore peddles fantasy. doc·u·men·ta·ry
Like the truth that George W. Bush got his pals the Bin Ladens out of the country right after 9/11? Oh, wait, THAT NEVER HAPPENED!
If you had checked my link...
Friday: 7:00 & 9:30
Saturday: 4:00, 7:00 & 9:30
Sunday: 4:00 & 7:00
Mon. - Thurs.: 7:30
Color me unimpressed.
On F911 spanking White Girls:
Or, perhaps, because it's unheard of for a documentary to compete directly against a (relatively) major Hollywood offering? From Box Office Mojo:
Fahrenheit 9/11
$21,800,000
868 screens
$25,115 average per screen
White Chicks
$19,600,000
2,726
$7,190 average per screen
As for the demand not being there, a quick scan of Box Office Mojo's top 100 documentaries shows it opening on a whopping 876 screens. Considering that it's closest competition in number of screens appears to be Tupac: Ressurection at 804 s, followed by Imagine John Lennon at 561.
Hell, documentaries aside, considering the number of screens it opened on F911 did astoundingly well. Here's another quote from Box Office Mojo:
"Fahrenheit's performance harkens back to the days when big movies wouldn't play in every nook and cranny of the country, but would bow at around 700 or 1,000 theaters to sell out crowds. Perhaps the greatest example of this, Return of the Jedi debuted to $23 million at 1,002 theaters in 1983, which would adjust to $45 million by today's ticket prices. In terms of raw dollars, Fahrenheit is actually the biggest opening ever for a movie playing at less than 1,000 theaters, topping Rocky III's $12.4 million at 939 venues."
Perhaps Return of the Jedi was only popular in those Star Wars Fan bastions across the nation? Don't worry, I'm sure it did poorly in Fayetteville, NC.
In short, no matter what your politics, this is an extrordinary feat for a documentary.
Speaking of which, one more time, Roger Ebert explains what a documentary is. If you'd like to attack F911 as a bad documentary, hey, knock yourself out. However, trying to dismiss it as not being a documentary at all (and thus irrelevant) is ignorant and lazy. Could you at least try to put some effort into your criticism? Thanks.
FnordChan
Christian Taylor said:
Or, perhaps, because it's unheard of for a documentary to compete directly against a (relatively) major Hollywood offering? From Box Office Mojo:
Fahrenheit 9/11
$21,800,000
868 screens
$25,115 average per screen
White Chicks
$19,600,000
2,726
$7,190 average per screen
As for the demand not being there, a quick scan of Box Office Mojo's top 100 documentaries shows it opening on a whopping 876 screens. Considering that it's closest competition in number of screens appears to be Tupac: Ressurection at 804 s, followed by Imagine John Lennon at 561.
Hell, documentaries aside, considering the number of screens it opened on F911 did astoundingly well. Here's another quote from Box Office Mojo:
"Fahrenheit's performance harkens back to the days when big movies wouldn't play in every nook and cranny of the country, but would bow at around 700 or 1,000 theaters to sell out crowds. Perhaps the greatest example of this, Return of the Jedi debuted to $23 million at 1,002 theaters in 1983, which would adjust to $45 million by today's ticket prices. In terms of raw dollars, Fahrenheit is actually the biggest opening ever for a movie playing at less than 1,000 theaters, topping Rocky III's $12.4 million at 939 venues."
Perhaps Return of the Jedi was only popular in those Star Wars Fan bastions across the nation? Don't worry, I'm sure it did poorly in Fayetteville, NC.
In short, no matter what your politics, this is an extrordinary feat for a documentary.
Speaking of which, one more time, Roger Ebert explains what a documentary is. If you'd like to attack F911 as a bad documentary, hey, knock yourself out. However, trying to dismiss it as not being a documentary at all (and thus irrelevant) is ignorant and lazy. Could you at least try to put some effort into your criticism? Thanks.
FnordChan
Your right that did not happen.Christian Taylor said:
However:
The film does not claim that. Please form your criticism from actual facts rather than half baked talking points. The film directly states, several times, that the flights took place after sept 13th.
Christian Taylor said:
Documentary films have a long history of trying to portray a specific viewpoint by showing actual events/documents. Just because it is heavily biased and edited (it is) does not make it any less of a documentary.
Christian Taylor
Banned
Yes, and that fits perfectly with the real definition. The definition I posted. F9/11 is not a documentary, because it deals with fiction. Documentaries, are non-fiction. F9/11 is about as much of a documentary as "Best in Show" or "This is Spinal Tap".
No, he didn't show any proof, because it never happened. Richard Clarke, not George Bush, got the Bin Ladens out of the country. Richard Clarke admitted that in his testimony to the 9/11 commission. "I take responsibility for it. I dont think it was a mistake, and Id do it again.
Michael Moore's hero in the second half of the film, was the man who did it, not Bush.
Do I have to repeat this 10 times before you guys accept it? F9/11 claims that Bush evacuated his pals the Bin Ladens out of the country after 9/11. That's a lie. He didn't. Richard Clarke, the hero of F9/11, did.
Christian Taylor
Banned
That's nifty. What does that have to do with what I said? It's very funny. Whenever someone points out the FACT that F9/11 is not a documentary--because it's fiction--people like you always post some article about how documentaries can have a POV.
Uh, I never said they couldn't. I did say that documentaries have to state facts, not lies, not fiction. F9/11 is about as much of a documentary as "This is Spinal Tap".
Christian Taylor said:
Richard Clarke appears in the film once, making his claim about what was asked of him in the days following 9-11. I don't see how that qualifies him as the hero of the second half if he is on the screen for scantly over a minute.
The film does not claim Bush himself got the Saudis out. It says people at the highest levels of the administration did. A little while ago you were claiming the film said the flights took place on 9-11. So yes you are going to have to repeat yourself 9-10 if that is what it takes to form a coherent criticism.
Comparing the movie to Spinal Tap is ridiculous. Everyone in that movie were actors, with a script. And while the administration may very well have a script, they are hardly what you would call good actors.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=princeofegypt.htmChristian Taylor said:
Seriously, do a little bit of research before citing your neither regions.
Christian Taylor
Banned
I don't believe I did.
Semantics aside (I didn't mean to imply that Bush himself flew them out of the country, and I don't think that was the film's intention, either), it happened under the authority of those in the Bush administration, not to mention the film clearly demonstrated a close relationship between the Bush's and the bin Laden's anyway, regardless of who flew them out of the country.Christian Taylor said:
Comparing the film to Spinal Tap is utterly absurd.
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