octopusman
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LoGH episode 7
Well, what an embarrassingly complete victory.
Well, what an embarrassingly complete victory.
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Fall 2011 Anime Thread |OT2| The Tampire is Coming
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Hellsing321
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You should watch Wandering Son if you haven't. Much hnnngh to be had there.
Damn straight you should be, now I've got to feign excitement when i open my presents.
Or I could just you know... print that pic off and paste it onto the wrapping paper.
Idolmaster 25 (END)
A bit underwhelming for a finale, but nice overall. Though now I'm left wondering if the show would have actually been even better as more of a slice-of-life with the producer more in the background and less as a central character. Still, I liked what we got.
Also, nice picture RurouniZel.
A bit underwhelming for a finale, but nice overall. Though now I'm left wondering if the show would have actually been even better as more of a slice-of-life with the producer more in the background and less as a central character. Still, I liked what we got.
Also, nice picture RurouniZel.
RurouniZel
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Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I made a little X-mas gift, hope you like it.
Er.. I mean... it's not like I made it for YOU guys. D-Don't get the wrong idea, it's not like I spent the last three hours drawing and painting this, wondering if you guys would like it or not!! Got it?? MMMMM MOU!! JUST TAKE IT ALREADY!! So annoying...
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Yeah, but
the diary didn't matter at all in the end. And neither did Masako, really. Her being a part of the extended family didn't add anything to the exploration of the primary theme. The Takakura 'siblings' could have been kept to just the main three without losing anything. It's just excess plot clutter.
I'm convinced that Ikuhara made this plot up as he went along. The transition from Masako being presented as a clingy ex-girlfriend to Kanba's estranged sister was bizarre, even coming from him. In episode 10 Kanba warned Himari not to be 'that girl', speaking about a bunch of awful gifts that he was smothered with in the past. Later, they're revealed to have come from Masako. The next time they meet up, she speaks at length about being a 'love hunter'. Huh? Also, why the hell was she leading a meeting of Kanba's ex-girlfriends, and then trying to erase their memories? Remember that amazing cliffhanger ending where someone was pushed down the stairs (possibly by Masako), as predicted in Ringo's diary?
I'm convinced that Ikuhara made this plot up as he went along. The transition from Masako being presented as a clingy ex-girlfriend to Kanba's estranged sister was bizarre, even coming from him. In episode 10 Kanba warned Himari not to be 'that girl', speaking about a bunch of awful gifts that he was smothered with in the past. Later, they're revealed to have come from Masako. The next time they meet up, she speaks at length about being a 'love hunter'. Huh? Also, why the hell was she leading a meeting of Kanba's ex-girlfriends, and then trying to erase their memories? Remember that amazing cliffhanger ending where someone was pushed down the stairs (possibly by Masako), as predicted in Ringo's diary?
Midway through, Penguindrum abruptly switches from being a show about dangerous, obsessive love to being one explicitly about family. In the first half, the family stuff remained in the background, with the exception of the first episode and the wonderful flashbacks about Kanba's relationship with his father. The transition is very far from smooth, and leaves a lot of thematic and plot threads dangling.
As Branduil says, it's bad form to spend a lot of time on mysteries that never go anywhere. I think the show is guilty of one of the same sins as Lost. After teasing viewers with a bunch of mysteries that the writers couldn't think up satisfying resolutions to, it distracts viewers by introducing mysteries late in the story that the writers have clear-cut answers to, in an attempt to produce the illusion of resolution.
octopusman
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LoGH 8
Jesus, this is good.
Jesus, this is good.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
So yeah, regardling the climax of penguin drum (don't click or read unless you've finished the show)
Crash Station
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Saint Seiya 7-9
Black Knight Saints? Damn, so we're getting a mirror match arc already. Nice.
Black Knight Saints? Damn, so we're getting a mirror match arc already. Nice.
I made a little X-mas gift, hope you like it.
Er.. I mean... it's not like I made it for YOU guys. D-Don't get the wrong idea, it's not like I spent the last three hours drawing and painting this, wondering if you guys would like it or not!! Got it?? MMMMM MOU!! JUST TAKE IT ALREADY!! So annoying...
I-it's not like I c-care or anything that you made this and that it's good. G-g-got that?! B-baka!
Is it.. raining?
No, these must be my TEARS. I just stopped feeling like crying and then you do this to me again. Fuck I feel so sad.
No, these must be my TEARS. I just stopped feeling like crying and then you do this to me again. Fuck I feel so sad.
I considered that, and probably not.
But her change in characterisation from obsessive 'love-hunter' to sister is really strange. Why was she so interested in Kanba's exes anyway? Is he a renowned sister-fucker? What was going on?
Perhaps the early story was settled on before it was decided that they would be family members and her character design was modified accordingly. Maybe it's just weird, intentionally obtuse writing that needed to go through another draft. I have no clue.
Perhaps the early story was settled on before it was decided that they would be family members and her character design was modified accordingly. Maybe it's just weird, intentionally obtuse writing that needed to go through another draft. I have no clue.
If nothing else, this is at least the most adorable attempt to explain the plot of Mawaru Penguindrum that I've seen.
Spoilers for the whole series, naturally: http://imgur.com/owd19
Spoilers for the whole series, naturally: http://imgur.com/owd19
I think someone mentioned this before, but it's not because she's a wannabe brother-fucker, it's just that she doesn't know how to love him in that she's always longed to see him again. It's more than she doesn't really know how to share imouto love, so she expresses it the only way she knows how, and being a member of the Natsume clan, and raised in that environment, you can bet your ass she was ridiculously sheltered and confined from society.
Or something like that. I can't word what that guy said, but I think he hit it pretty much on the mark. Also,
she said that, but if you go back and watch it in the context of her as a sister, some of the things she does/says makes much more sense, and is similar to what Himari did as a sister to him.
Like I said before, I do think that the narrative flow could have been better, but there's too much foreshadowing when you go back to earlier episodes to think that it was made up as it went along.
Okay, I think you're right about that. I still don't really buy it though.
Sheltered or not, I think someone as cultured as Masako would know that's not how you treat a brother. Even instinctively I would think she would know.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
but she is shown caring for mario, so its not like shes incapable of being an affectionate sister, so the whole thing with kanba is really confusing and indirect
Yep!
And what the hell is the Natsume clan anyway? Why did Kanba hate them so much? Why was there an episode illustrating how menacing they could be and how the patriarch might have had supernatural powers? Why did that plot thread end right there?
I don't see necessary to take it at face value, and Thoraxes explains it very well.
A love for a sibling can also be a possessive one, specially when the person in question has been, lets say, rejected or abandoned. It can turn into a destructive relationship, wanting for the other to experience the same suffering passed, or to make the other see how much it needs her love in reality. There are many possible reactions caused by an obsession of that kind.
Neat! I see that it is the latest version, with the added return in #21.
I dont know but aren't they linked to the terrorists? maybe thats where their funding came from
It would make sense if they were, because then we would know their source of funding, and they're big, mysterious and evil, and like Sanetoshi, apparently have supernatural powers.
But no,
Kanba was getting funding to pay for Himari's treatment by working for the terrorists. When Masako didn't want him getting involved in that and offered to help him out instead, Kanba said he would never take money from the Natsume clan.
um... yes, they were.
At least kanba's father was. Did you miss the part where kanba and masako were hanging out as children in the kiga group while their and shoma's parents and the other members were having a meeting?
Did you also miss how Kanba's dad basically said kanba was a disappointment to have as family, or how the grandfather disowned kkanba's dad? I'm sure he didn't look to fondly upon kanba either.
Basically, the whole damned patriarchy in the natsume clan is fucked up and overly harsh towards its sons. Kanba likely resents his heritage because of how they rejected him.
It's possible the grandfather found out abuot kanba's dad being in the criminal underworld and severed all ties with him over it.
Did you also miss how Kanba's dad basically said kanba was a disappointment to have as family, or how the grandfather disowned kkanba's dad? I'm sure he didn't look to fondly upon kanba either.
Basically, the whole damned patriarchy in the natsume clan is fucked up and overly harsh towards its sons. Kanba likely resents his heritage because of how they rejected him.
It's possible the grandfather found out abuot kanba's dad being in the criminal underworld and severed all ties with him over it.
his morals really are all over the place
the guy clearly lost the plot, talking to dead people, mass murder etc, and everyone isn't in shock they're just a little surprised and want to "save" him rather than report him to the authorities. Hell hes blowing up cars with magic exploding phone activated balls and the spectators arent really even panicking. I just cant buy that, and his redemption at the end made little sense
Well, she was left alone with him, in one way it was all she had after Kanba's brotherly love went, so it was like a last resort for her.
Jim E. Rossler
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I love series that actually use children to play children
Usagi Drop wouldn't have been the same if Rin was voiced by a 30yr old using a High pitch voice
Threw me off guard when YUA had all the grade schoolers played by actual children
Think you're cool because you have a Meduka wallpaper?
None of you guys are as hardcore as me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZtaQn40AQw
Usagi Drop wouldn't have been the same if Rin was voiced by a 30yr old using a High pitch voice
Threw me off guard when YUA had all the grade schoolers played by actual children
Think you're cool because you have a Meduka wallpaper?
None of you guys are as hardcore as me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZtaQn40AQw
So,
why does Kanba say he'll never accept money from the Natsume clan, then? Who is giving him the payment?
Hmm. Using a show's eyecatch jingle like that is an interesting idea. Surprised I never thought of it before. Then again, I have almost all my logon/logoff system sounds disabled anyway.
huh? the money he was getting came from
The Kiga group. Which he then funneled right back into it as payment for himari's treatments by sanetoshi.
In case you haven't noticed, kanba and masako's dad is dead. his death is what led to kanba's adoption by the takakuras. After the ties were severed between kanba's dad and the rest of the natsume clan, kanba stayed with his dad and masako and mario lived with their grandfather
In case you haven't noticed, kanba and masako's dad is dead. his death is what led to kanba's adoption by the takakuras. After the ties were severed between kanba's dad and the rest of the natsume clan, kanba stayed with his dad and masako and mario lived with their grandfather
momoka is hardly even a character. Himari and Shoma ill give you though the way the world is presented is so schizophrenic that im not even sure
How does one pay a ghost for ghost medicine?
^ What Uchip said. I never thought I'd agree with him about Penguindrum, but here we are.
I just feel the whole tangent of the show about Masako and the Natsume clan is over convoluted, underdeveloped, a bit irrelevant, and probably should have been cut completely.
I do recall all that. It's taking a while to come back to me though.
I just feel the whole tangent of the show about Masako and the Natsume clan is over convoluted, underdeveloped, a bit irrelevant, and probably should have been cut completely.
iM@S 25 END
A decent yet underwhelming ending to a rather enjoyable series. The show would have been far better if they spent less time on the really stupid rivalry between 876 Pro and focused on fleshing out the Producer and some of the more underused characters.
A decent yet underwhelming ending to a rather enjoyable series. The show would have been far better if they spent less time on the really stupid rivalry between 876 Pro and focused on fleshing out the Producer and some of the more underused characters.
Yeah, but if you cut out the Natsume clan then we wouldn't have the brilliant episode 17: Hey, Mister President, Watch out!
Crash Station
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Persona 4 12
Weird as hell ordering of events. Didn't think they would go the
with the lead up to the omelet contest. Who the hell's idea was it to do that?
That being said, this is the first episode where I really thought this was more than just a time waster for fans of the game and actually something that complements it. This is the most insight we've gotten on Yu's personality ever and I think the
line was a jab at him being a silent protagonist in the game. Also saw a little bit of myself in that
Was also badass having him
Weird as hell ordering of events. Didn't think they would go the
illusion route
That being said, this is the first episode where I really thought this was more than just a time waster for fans of the game and actually something that complements it. This is the most insight we've gotten on Yu's personality ever and I think the
"I'm not empty"
illusion world with the friends drifting apart and all that stuff. Whether the circumstances that had them sticking together no longer apply or they just can't justify getting attached due to moving away soon, it's a depressing and very real thing.
Was also badass having him
summon like 10 Personas at once.
Mawaru-Penguindrum, Utena, and Sailor Moon spoilers (Yeah, I know, this means only a few people. FOR SHAME!)
I don't really agree with the remark that the diary in MPD wasn't important at all. After all, it was what was in the diary that was important rather than the diary itself. In fact, this a recurring motif in Ikuhara's work. In Utena, the sword of dios is the most important object in the show, but by the final arc it isn't even being used at all. Rather, it's Utena's own sword (that of the prince, nonetheless) that gets used. EVEN THEN, Akio was wrong in thinking that was what he needed. It wasn't swords that opened the door, it was Utena's tears and feelings for Anthy--the reason she used the sword in the first place. (Shades of Usagi's tears revealing the Silver Crystal too.) In Sailor Moon S, the holy grail is the item coveted by everyone, but it actually ends up in the hands of the Death Busters in the end. Usagi compensates by reproducing what the holy grail represented, but in the end wasn't aware of what she accomplished. (Much like Utena.)
Yes, I know Sailor Moon S is an adaptation, but try comparing it to the manga sometime. Also, Usagi gets the holy grail back midway through Stars without it being explicitly said. Go figure.
Yes, I know Sailor Moon S is an adaptation, but try comparing it to the manga sometime. Also, Usagi gets the holy grail back midway through Stars without it being explicitly said. Go figure.
hosannainexcelsis
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Mawaru Penguin Drum - Final Impressions
I feel like this show works on an intuitive level, but not on an analytical level. I like the familial themes this show dealt with and the way it handled them. There's some great, creative musical and visual work, and moving character moments. Some of the individual episodes are fantastically structured. The structure of the show as a whole, however, is awkward. There's so many dangling plot threads, cliffhangers which don't lead anywhere, bad pacing, clumsy shuffling of characters between background and foreground, unnecessary padding, etc. I feel like Ikuhara had a good idea of what he wanted to say, but got carried away by all the ideas he came up with and didn't stop to make sure they fit together on a larger level. I wish he would have pared things down and given the show a tighter focus, even if that would come at the expense of many of my favorite moments (such as episode 16).
Still, it was a wild ride and I enjoyed it. It was certainly the most unique and most artistically ambitious TV show of the year, and for that it should be commended.
I feel like this show works on an intuitive level, but not on an analytical level. I like the familial themes this show dealt with and the way it handled them. There's some great, creative musical and visual work, and moving character moments. Some of the individual episodes are fantastically structured. The structure of the show as a whole, however, is awkward. There's so many dangling plot threads, cliffhangers which don't lead anywhere, bad pacing, clumsy shuffling of characters between background and foreground, unnecessary padding, etc. I feel like Ikuhara had a good idea of what he wanted to say, but got carried away by all the ideas he came up with and didn't stop to make sure they fit together on a larger level. I wish he would have pared things down and given the show a tighter focus, even if that would come at the expense of many of my favorite moments (such as episode 16).
Still, it was a wild ride and I enjoyed it. It was certainly the most unique and most artistically ambitious TV show of the year, and for that it should be commended.
Not much different from buying merchandise at the place of your employment. Sanetoshi wanted Kamba to become increasingly desperate and dependent anyway.
There will be no rebirth. Only moe and everything else.
Regarding the Natsume clan, I can understand how Ikuhara included it to illustrate how
I think hosannainexcelsis sums things up very well.
Kanba comes from a background where he feels unwanted and unloved before the Takakura unit gave him a place in life. But couldn't this have been depicted much more concisely? Making a big thing out of the Natsume clan meant dragging in Masako and Mario. The latter is completely irrelevant. Why were we even teased about there being two penguin hats and him having his own Seizon Senryaku, again? It never amounts to anything. Neither does Masako being a blood relative of Kanba, which does nothing to advance the show's themes about family. Masako continuing to be haunted by the grandfather was hilarious but pointless, like so much in this series.
As an aside, her devotion to him seems to have come about because he did something for her much like what Himari did for him, by promising he wouldn't abandon her. Then he does, completely, because she has stayed with the Natsume clan. What a cold bastard. Team Red is clearly inferior.
As an aside, her devotion to him seems to have come about because he did something for her much like what Himari did for him, by promising he wouldn't abandon her. Then he does, completely, because she has stayed with the Natsume clan. What a cold bastard. Team Red is clearly inferior.
I think hosannainexcelsis sums things up very well.
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