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Fall 2011 Anime Thread |OT2| The Tampire is Coming

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/XX/

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First thing I thought in were those little reports of travels throughout Japan, illustrated by Keiko Honda, from Honda's On The Way section of their Japanese website:

Honda|On the Way|バックナンバー
http://www.honda.co.jp/ontheway/backnumber/index.html#area

And PdotMichael, I think you should have posted first a certain Mr. Sadamoto illustration featuring Misato and a Honda MONKEY Z50J.

OP medley was great
, but they recycled the
OP
animation, CHEATERS!!!
That tree animation compensates somewhat...
 

cajunator

Banned
You're Under Arrest - 11

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A cute christmas episode about the christmas spirit and stuff.

And Maho-chan is soo...
http://www.abload.de/img/11youareaxkfr.gif

You are watching a fine, fine anime series indeed.
Enjoy it.
I was so giddy when I finally got my hands on all three main seasons of it. The boxsets used to be so expensive.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Mawaru-Penguindrum

Overall, I feel that the show is based on a plot outline that adds up, but might have lost something on the way to episode form. Regardless, it kept hitting the right notes for me.

Well the whole show was pretty full of symbolism. I do have to agree somewhat with the criticism of some of the plotting, no you don't have to explain everything, but it is bad form to spend substantial amounts of time on mysteries that never lead to anything. It can be a fine line sometimes, but when we don't find out about stuff like
Shouma and Kanba in the cages until near the end of the show,
it feels like we should have had more about that earlier and less about
the entirely irrelevant Mario subplot, to name just one.
Mario was just a plot device to push Masako into getting involved with the diary.

*shrug*
 

Jex

Member
Mawaru-Penguindrum

Overall, I feel that the show is based on a plot outline that adds up, but might have lost something on the way to episode form. Regardless, it kept hitting the right notes for me.
I can't tell if that's damming with faint praise or what! Regardless, I don't quite agree because I feel that most of the episodes themselves are well made and enjoyable, I think that problems arise from the overall structure of the plot, not the actual plot elements or the episodes themselves (for the most part). Although, I guess that might be what you mean by "episode form".
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Plot, in narratological terms, mean only the sequencing of events and their relations, events that can include anything, really. Every story is made up of the sequencing of something; every story has a plot. You're not the only one I've noticed make the weird conclusion that thick 'plot' somehow calls for a lack of characterization--character drama, as you put it--but that really isn't the case.
I'm not calling for undeveloped characterisation, especially when I am one of the advocates that the show had superb characterisation; I'm saying that the broad strokes of the narrative were more about the personal stuff and not the backstory. If Penguindrum had been presented as a big spectacle about saving the world from Sanetoshi's evil plan or whatever I would understand the need to explain his motivations and real focus.

I just don't find the under-explication of the world-building elements detrimental to the message of the show when it was centred around the Takakura family.
 

Branduil

Member
Mawaru-Penguindrum

Overall, I feel that the show is based on a plot outline that adds up, but might have lost something on the way to episode form. Regardless, it kept hitting the right notes for me.

Mario was just a plot device to push Masako into getting involved with the diary.

*shrug*

Well, yeah, my problem is primarily using just a bit too many plot devices which are not actually connected to anything real or substantial. It's a bit of a subjective view, and it's not a major problem for me, but I felt they just overused it a little too much in the end. I guess the
Kanba and Shouma in cages thing was the "final straw," so to speak, though that's not really an accurate term since I still liked the show.
 

/XX/

Member
Well the whole show was pretty full of symbolism. I do have to agree somewhat with the criticism of some of the plotting, no you don't have to explain everything, but it is bad form to spend substantial amounts of time on mysteries that never lead to anything. It can be a fine line sometimes, but when we don't find out about stuff like
Shouma and Kanba in the cages until near the end of the show,
it feels like we should have had more about that earlier and less about
the entirely irrelevant Mario subplot, to name just one.
Well, that was presented in a pretty straightforward manner without much addendum, so I have the impression that they reserved that moment for the end of the series simply to use it in a more decisive and opportune manner as a representation of the end of a cycle between Kanba and Shōma, the beginning and the end saw in the same episode. In my opinion, it was a recourse without they thinking in the obligation to expand on it more
 

cajunator

Banned
Someone snitched...I think it was doomed1

I think I shall have a talk with him.

Nah I dont care really.
People say the darnest things on the internet. Its about time somebody starts immortalizing some of it.

I still want more suggestions for the cute parts of anime shows, so I can get my fix.
 

Branduil

Member
Well, that was presented in a pretty straightforward manner without much addendum, so I have the impression that they reserved that moment for the end of the series simply to use it in a more decisive and opportune manner as a representation of the end of a cycle between Kanba and Shōma, the beginning and the end saw in the same episode. In my opinion, it was a recourse without they thinking in the obligation to expand on it more

I don't have a problem with that per se, I just don't like how it was completely unexplained contextually. In this case it just felt like sloppy plotting to me, because it's easier to write an abstract scene with no connection to reality to illustrate that character connection than one that actually has to take place in the actual setting.
 

hellclerk

Everything is tsundere to me
Someone snitched...I think it was doomed1
I swear it wasn't me! I passed on it because I'd rather not have gotten immortalized myself seeing as I posted something equally nerdy within close proximity!

You guys should watch Saikano.
Its very :firehawk at times, but the projectile blood vomiting might be a turnoff.
Yeah, it was really more the ending that annoyed me. The blood vomiting just added to the HNNNNNG. :p
 

cajunator

Banned
Also the fact that watching Saikano makes you want to kill yourself might be disadvantageous for it. I watch it on occasion when life has made me too happy.
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
I swear it wasn't me! I passed on it because I'd rather not have gotten immortalized myself seeing as I posted something equally nerdy within close proximity!


Yeah, it was really more the ending that annoyed me. The blood vomiting just added to the HNNNNNG. :p

What didn't you like about the Saikano ending? I thought it was great.
 

cajunator

Banned
Saikano-Chise.jpg


Isnt that the most depressing HNNNGH ever?
I think it is.
You have this cute GF who is taken away by the army and turned into a killing machine and you cant do shit about it. Such a fucked up series.
 

NewFresh

Member
Isnt that the most depressing HNNNGH ever?
I think it is.
You have this cute GF who is taken away by the army and turned into a killing machine and you cant do shit about it. Such a fucked up series.

I never watched SaiKano, this makes it sound interesting.
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
pretty much, yeah.
Most pessimistic series I have ever seen.
Especially episode 9. EPisode fucking 9.

That's why I liked it. It's nice to see a series just got for the "Grave of the Fireflies" tier depressing. Almost never happens, and it came as quite a shock.
 

hellclerk

Everything is tsundere to me
Saikano-Chise.jpg


Isnt that the most depressing HNNNGH ever?
I think it is.
You have this cute GF who is taken away by the army and turned into a killing machine and you cant do shit about it. Such a fucked up series.

It's also one of the most badass hnnngs ever too. What's depressing isn't Chise turing into a WMD, it's the actions of the military that uses her. But that ending... that ending was such a fucking cop-out. I get it, you're a pessimistic twit, that doesn't excuse you from
ending the world
.
 

cajunator

Banned
And then you have shows that try way too hard to be dramatic and sad and end up shit, like KGNE/Rumbling Hearts. Now that was a fucked situation.
 

RurouniZel

Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
ToraDora OVA:

I've lost count of the number of anime that go on about how the secret to cooking is to keep in mind the person you're making it for. What a load of rubbish. I guess Taiga must think Ryuji is quite a salty person if that's the case. :p
 

/XX/

Member
I don't have a problem with that per se, I just don't like how it was completely unexplained contextually. In this case it just felt like sloppy plotting to me, because it's easier to write an abstract scene with no connection to reality to illustrate that character connection than one that actually has to take place in the actual setting.
Well, there has been similar approaches to that condensed and abstract way within this show's narrative that later had been revisited (episodes 19 and 20 come to mind)... but yeah, I can see why would that be a problem.

There could be various reasons why they decided to do it that way in this particular case, and I think they probably wanted a balance between the impact it would cause to include that back-story between the two along their direct confrontation in the latest episode, and the time constraints to make it meaningful within the time-frame of only this one episode. And like in the different approach they made to present the Shōma and Himari first encounter I've mentioned, they simply decided to leave it as a vague shared memory between Kanba and Shōma to center only in what the moment meant for them, and not in the situation itself.

As you say, it is true it can be considered "sloppy", and dangerous to a large degree because it hurts the narrative's consistency, but maybe is a sacrifice to make room for (or concentrate on) what they specifically wanted to show, that relation.
 

hellclerk

Everything is tsundere to me
And then you have shows that try way too hard to be dramatic and sad and end up shit, like KGNE/Rumbling Hearts. Now that was a fucked situation.
Eh, Rumbling Hearts was mostly people who thought too little of coma girl to tell her the truth, and that ended up hurting people more than actually telling her. It was basically Nice Boat levels of indecisiveness, nothing to do with the actual situation. Arguably, Saikano isn't much better.

I'm sure there are enough things about Saikano that make people omit it whenever they list 'Good Gonzo' shows.
Saikano is really hard to classify. Because it's so pessimistic, you can't really classify it as something to get excited about. By all technical objective measures, the show is quite masterful, but Saikano isn't really a show that puts a smile on your face and it pessimistically betrays its premise of "everlasting love", so it's difficult to have any good feelings for it. It's nothing anyone can call "bad" (at least besides the ending), but it's nothing that you'll find everyone get excited over.
 

darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou

YES!

Horizon 11/12

Manly battles of the parallel lines, doing the impossible, and flat chested greatness.

Smugface is gonna smug or
else he dies. Damn that's a harsh stipulation, but it's okay cause he's always gonna smug
. He really is the best character in the series it's a shame he doesn't really get a whole lot of screen time.

Manly Flat Chest is pretty awesome too. Episode 11 was really great, Episode 12 not so much but I thought the dialogue was somewhat interesting for once. It's a show finally hitting its stride, it certainly did take a while. Looking forward to season 2.
 
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