Wow. I'm not going to say that Campione isn't the slightest bit sexist or that you're off the mark about some things being contrived for the sake of harem shenanigans, but apparently things like how someone becomes a Campione seem to have been portrayed a lot differently in the anime than in the light novels...
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Wow. I'm not going to say that Campione isn't the slightest bit sexist or that you're off the mark about some things being contrived for the sake of harem shenanigans, but apparently things like how someone becomes a Campione seem to have been portrayed a lot differently in the anime than in the light novels...
I feel like I already know everything about what dinner with Oshii would feel like after watching Avalon. Definitely unappealing.
LOL, yeah Oshii seems not a fun guy. Dinner with obnoxious old man doesn't sound good at all.
Peek to Yuasa's workplace is more interesting dealbreaker.
Keroppi in The Adventures of Gulliver
NFL thread has put me in a Sanrio mood so felt like checking this out. As the name implies, it's an adaptation of Gulliver's Travels featuring Keroppi. Looks like it was just Lilliput but I suppose that's enough. It's pretty straightforward with a surprisingly competent English dub. I suppose this appeals to the audience with the niche interest of replacing literary characters with cute frogs.
NFL thread has put me in a Sanrio mood so felt like checking this out. As the name implies, it's an adaptation of Gulliver's Travels featuring Keroppi. Looks like it was just Lilliput but I suppose that's enough. It's pretty straightforward with a surprisingly competent English dub. I suppose this appeals to the audience with the niche interest of replacing literary characters with cute frogs.
So... stop watching it?
That's easy! It's done, right?
Seriously though it was my sleep aid, with my ADD I need something to create a strong enough stimuli in any direction so all of my brain can focus on it as opposed to running all over the place. hatred will do.
darkside31337
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Looks cool. I watched some of Onegai My Melody and that was pretty neat, guess I'll get around to finishing that up some day.
gashikunFLCL
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Hajime no Ippo.
I dunno
doesnt it take away from the whole charm of him being overpowered by little people when theyre all frogs?
Yeah, It will probably be the biggest anime event of next year, although a lot of people aren't aware of it yet. Can't wait, especially when I think about all the sweet sakuga moments that are bound to happen during that arc.
That's definitely understandable. A lot of harem anime and a lot of harem light novels have that sort of objectification that you're complaining about, so I wouldn't say it's a problem with Campione specifically as much as it is a problem with a lot of series that otaku seem to be fine with buying. Campione is definitely set up in a way that allows for that pandering to occur.
Even if you're wrong about specific things like how someone becomes a Campione or the purpose of the knights, it doesn't really change how the general series is set up. Most of the plot elements exist to either make Godou a seemingly more awesome character or to allow for harem shenanigans between Godou and his haremites. Godou is even described as someone whose family is unconsciously good at attracting females, and he just happened to inherit that ability even though he doesn't want it. You could easily see it as a really big self-insert setting.
Well, I guess I'm being a bit hypocritical because I'm a fan of the series. I guess I'm among the people being pandered to
. Is this what it feels like to self-insert? I don't necessarily feel like I am, but considering the type of anime I like, maybe I am doing it.RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
But that's not the AnimeGAF way!
I don't miss you but that's because I've bugged your room and am always listening to you. I like the sound of you breathing.
I don't know that I've ever liked anything that I could insert myself into, most of the shows I do like I can't manage to imagine myself in their universe as a character. Maybe something's broken with me?Well, I guess I'm being a bit hypocritical because I'm a fan of the series. I guess I'm among the people being pandered to
it means you're still human
Moral Panic
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Maybe you'll like Chihayafuru.
Well that's a load off.
You know, happiness really can be measured with cats. My orange cat is a total sadist dominatrix. Whenever she's near you she has to put a leg on you to show who's the boss.
I am excite!
Can't wait to see it.
its like the opposite of getting a leg up
I even like my cats strong!
So, I'm up to episode 12 of Black Lagoon and are they trying to make Revvy a tsundere now?
Eh, seeing the amount of people who don't like those types of stories, probably not.
I can't really explain too much about self-inserting because I'm not even sure if I'm doing it or not, but if most of the self-insert shows are like Campione, it probably has more to do with the problems in the setting than self-inserting. I have low standards though, so it's easy for me to do things like imagine every character in Campione as caricatures instead of people and watch the plot unfold like that.
It's easier to say that something is wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with you. I don't mind admitting that I've been conditioned to like these sort of shows though. You guys will have to deal with my posting anyway, so I feel more sorry for you guys instead of myself.
Edit: Oh! I feel that it's important to mention that I'm speaking for myself, not for Campione fans! Man, I feel like I should change my avatar. I feel bad about making posts like these with Kuroneko as my avatar.
Thanks. I'll keep doing it then since you like it so much.
Lol, why feel sorry for us? If there's one thing I like it's different opinions because only then is my being right possible, if everyone felt the same then I couldn't feel that other people were weird! Seriously though, I don't hate or dislike a person because they like shows I dislike, or talk about them or anything silly like that. The only real disdain I have towards anyone would be a general feelings towards the industry as a whole when it seems that things that pander to me aren't being attempted at all. And I just mean attempted, they don't have to turn out good, although if something that interested me turned out bad that is a disappointment but at least the attempt was made.Eh, seeing the amount of people who don't like those types of stories, probably not.
I can't really explain too much about self-inserting because I'm not even sure if I'm doing it or not, but if most of the self-insert shows are like Campione, it probably has more to do with the problems in the setting than self-inserting. I have low standards though, so it's easy for me to do things like imagine every character in Campione as caricatures instead of people and watch the plot unfold like that.
It's easier to say that something is wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with you. I don't mind admitting that I've been conditioned to like these sort of shows though. You guys will have to deal with my posting anyway, so I feel more sorry for you guys instead of myself.
But ultimately pander is a useless word because everything panders. Everything. The absence of pandering is pandering to a person who doesn't like pandering. So no need to worry about you being weirder than anyone else, people just like what they like and dislike what they dislike.
See, I don't ask for much.
The first radio show for Chuunibyo Demo Koi ga Shitai! just went live, and it included previews of the show's real OP and ED, which I have shared with you below:
OP: "Sparkling Daydream" by ZAQ
http://minus.com/lb2c1Qr36GKo5j
ED: "INSIDE IDENTITY" by Black Raison d'être (Maaya Uchida, Chinatsu Akasaki, Azumi Asakura, Sumire Uesaka)
http://minus.com/lg7L0fRveBcHn
The ending in particular sounds awesome. Can't wait to see the animation for it.
If you want to listen to the whole 45-minute radio show, for some reason, you can find it here on Nicovideo.
OP: "Sparkling Daydream" by ZAQ
http://minus.com/lb2c1Qr36GKo5j
ED: "INSIDE IDENTITY" by Black Raison d'être (Maaya Uchida, Chinatsu Akasaki, Azumi Asakura, Sumire Uesaka)
http://minus.com/lg7L0fRveBcHn
The ending in particular sounds awesome. Can't wait to see the animation for it.
If you want to listen to the whole 45-minute radio show, for some reason, you can find it here on Nicovideo.
Well, "real" compared to the OP/ED that they used for the Lite episode, yes.
Sparkling Daydream is the song that was in the 30-sec PV from a few weeks back, though.
That's kinda crazy. I thought it was just the animation which was "specially made", but even the songs were different? KyoAni has too much time on their hands.
Thats what I meant when I said booboo.
MARU! Sundays are no more
This is a truly sad day for all of us.
You must continue. Great things lie ahead. Terribly great things. TERRIBLE.
Dedication Through Light
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I think thats an alright reason, Ive seen psople write off anime for other odd reasons. I suggested Tsuritama to someone and they gave up on it quickly because they said they get seasick or something from it, which I thought was odd since the anime doesn't wholly take place on a boat.
Haibane Renmei 13 - END
Could it have possibly ended any other way?
This episode had some of the tightest focus of any episode so far, and it absolutely delivered. I feel like I've already seen variations on the
scene before, but it was done very well here. Facial expressions and detailed animation give truth to the words. And then when
, the art steps up to the task of conveying the emotional intensity of that sequence. It built to exactly the sort of satisfying climax I wanted.
Haibane Renmei is a really great show for a lot of reasons. It builds a nice mythology with enough gaps to remain mysterious throughout, and that mythology infuses the setting with a lot of life. But the setting ultimately serves the story of Rakka and Reki, and it's great how it lets its characters organically develop. The show starts slow, but I think now that the unassuming beginning hides a lot of important moments in Rakka's growth that the show doesn't telegraph very much. Without my realizing it, she suddenly had a lot of definition, as did Reki. And by starting small and building slowly, it earned its moments of melodrama.
There's a lot I could talk about with the show. I think that one could easily discuss the way spirituality ties into the show's themes of loneliness, friendship, and forgiveness at length. I'm not going to bother with that, but I'll say I was very, very pleased with how it turned out.
It's definitely something I'd recommend.
Could it have possibly ended any other way?
I love closeups like this. I don't even know if you could do a shot like this in live action animation and have it make sense. Animation can really exaggerate how eyes emote.
This episode had some of the tightest focus of any episode so far, and it absolutely delivered. I feel like I've already seen variations on the
cold-hearted 'rejection' by a character who doesn't truly mean it for one reason or another
Reki faces damnation and nothingness
The angle of this shot is also great. It gives the room a very claustrophobic feeling that matches the emotional tone of that moment. Rather German Expressionist, in a way.
Haibane Renmei is a really great show for a lot of reasons. It builds a nice mythology with enough gaps to remain mysterious throughout, and that mythology infuses the setting with a lot of life. But the setting ultimately serves the story of Rakka and Reki, and it's great how it lets its characters organically develop. The show starts slow, but I think now that the unassuming beginning hides a lot of important moments in Rakka's growth that the show doesn't telegraph very much. Without my realizing it, she suddenly had a lot of definition, as did Reki. And by starting small and building slowly, it earned its moments of melodrama.
There's a lot I could talk about with the show. I think that one could easily discuss the way spirituality ties into the show's themes of loneliness, friendship, and forgiveness at length. I'm not going to bother with that, but I'll say I was very, very pleased with how it turned out.
It's definitely something I'd recommend.
Dedication Through Light
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The music was a highlight, my most listened two ost this year up there with Horizons. I guess Iron Will, Bugz, and Silver Wing have yet to play.
Dedication Through Light
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I wish they said who the two dudes were that the mafia were bringing in.
No, it's not good.
It's legit solid if you're into juvenile fiction which panders hard on self-satisfaction. The leads are more or less flawless, there's a lot of escapism and feel-good self-insert Gary Stu-ism. The characters are always put in situations where they can show how capable, cool, and heroic they are. It has an interesting VRMMORPG setting, with great backgrounds, nice production values, and there's a lot of game mechanics talk in the script.
If you're looking for something deeper, more complex, and mature, it'll probably feel like a huge stinking pile of poop.
There's a dedicated thread for it in OT that you might find helpful/useful.
I think the overall feeling is that, while the characters aren't particularly compelling and fall victim to the usual anime flaws (or lack of them!), the world-building and general production values are pretty good. If you like MMORPGs you're more likely to like it than not.
Basileus777
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It's mostly just to get the discussion out of here. Half of this thread was talk about SAO.
KO Traveling Hobo
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they showed them didnt they? I thought it was quite easy to tell
KO Traveling Hobo
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Define compelling.
It's not good good but it's pretty fun, has some nice action animation (not often but it's cool when it happens, not as cool as in Accel World though, but it's still the main reason I'm watching it) and I think most people here are enjoying it, even if just to make fun of it.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Well, you may be compelled to do certain things. Whether these are good things or not remains to be seen.
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