Sorry :S
Fallout 4 PC Ultra screenshots
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Sorry :S
old manatee
Banned
So many dumb arguments in this thread...
I bought Fallout New Vegas day one for full price and it was completely broken. Actually unplayable. They had to prove it to me this time around and they didn't.
You guys can throw money at Bethesda if you want. I'm not stopping you.
But you're complaining about graphics. You haven't even played the game yet. Your argument sucks dude, stick to one complaint at a time if you want to make sense.
triplestation
Member
I wish the blood wasn't so dang strawberry red
So annoying to look at
I hope mods make it a nice dark crimson
So annoying to look at
I hope mods make it a nice dark crimson
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I have no words..
Dictator93
Member
Well PBS isn't the end all and be all of a games graphics, especiall yone that is not super convincing on most materials (gun metals look pretty good though in fo4 from what I have seen). If you take a more nuanced view of rendering, you can see a lot of things from older games withwhich fallout 4 compares poorly. The biggest one so far beyond texture quality is geometric complexity and animations. We still have to wait to see some stuff from the PC version though...
No idea as to what the PC version has. I can only hope that it has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more shadow casting lights than the console version (which apparently has next to none indoors).
It is not the first game to not use POM recently, but it is one where it would really help a lot of the ground textures.
How do you know the colour of blood bangladesh?
ViolentP
Member
And no one is saying you should buy it day one. Hell, I think it's wise to wait even if I likely won't. But Fallout 4 should not be devalued before launch the same way a game shouldn't be overvalued after seeing some bullshots.
Bony Manifesto
Member
These are the same? These are anywhere close to the same graphically? Try harder dude.
Jesus, that HUD's a hell of a downgrade...
Because Fallout New Vegas was made by Bethesda right? Seriously come on man, this is borderline concern trolling at this point.
old manatee
Banned
But I have 2 complaints. :/ The game looks like shit, AND every time I buy a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game on day one it is buggy as fuck.
shinobi602
Member
Ya'll have gone full crazy. You never go full crazy.
And only one of those arguments to me has any bearing on purchase, especially because many people think it looks fine.
I don't care what you do with your money, but don't bad mouth a game with shit like "this game should be $40 because I think it looks like shit." That is easily the worst thing I've ever read on this site.
old manatee
Banned
Fine I take it back. They should charge $1000 American dollars for it because there is a crafting system.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I see your point. Animation is greatly improved compared to their past titles though. Nowhere near industry leading but they're serviceable imho.
Or they should charge $60 because it's a full game that they worked on for 4-5 years. And we shouldn't base prices and quality on graphics, according to your insane logic everyone should go out and buy a copy of the Order 1886, a game with no MP, no extra modes, entire chapters that are literally just a cutscene, an extras section that is just the credits, and a five hour campaign if you take your time. Wtf.
I know you're joking, but most of the shit in Fallout 3 doesn't even cast shadows. That should be the easiest to pick out difference and it's a pretty significant one.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here, but my argument was that devaluing a game based on graphics, especially one known for it's depth in content, is a hilariously stupid argument to make.
ViolentP
Member
Though more exaggerated, this statement illustrates the silliness of your $40 statement.
This thread is so bonkers I actually can't tell if this is a joke.
Hoping to get a response from somebody on the above.
How?! I seriously do not get this. Because it doesn't have tic marks plastered all over. It is a minimalist design that conveys all the information you'd expect it.
I seriously do not get the downgrade arguments.
old manatee
Banned
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
Banned
Which is Fallout 4? I just can't frickkin tell.
triplestation
Member
Cause one time I fell on my skateboard and there was blood and the blood was dark red
I also saw a cow getting slaughtered on the internet
fluffydelusions
Member
The amount and quality of the content per dollar, plus the dedication to supporting modding puts them far above Call of Duty's business philosophy in my opinion.
Crafting or switching to a new engine becomes a giant cost benefit analysis. You need a lot of talented people to craft a brand new engine to fit your needs and then you need to re-train a lot of staff on how the development pipeline works. The same applies when you switch to another engine.
Bethesda has an enormous amount of control and they also have a ton of experience with their engines, even if their updates are iterative rather than a full blown upgrade.
ViolentP
Member
Some people like myself don't require photorealism. I prefer to get lost in a story. So an old engine that's been spruced up for a new story works just fine for me. Would a more powerful engine be better? Sure. But it does not diminish my enjoyment of the game. Now if the old tech hurt the atmosphere where I will be losing myself, then I will gladly point a finger.
old manatee
Banned
Like Skyrim on ps3?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
There is no unwillingness to invest in new tech. They've added a ton of new tech, why does that have to be reiterated over and over and over? From myself to other developers to Bethesda themselves talking about all the improvements they've made to the engine, (improvements which show the second you see the character models compared to their past titles), why are people still trying to craft the narrative that they haven't done anything to improve their engine?
"Game is being made on a new console that is much better for game development than it's predecessor which was notoriously bad for gam development including open world games, that new console is also much easier to development for than the other console which was nowhere near as much as a headache to develop for, let's keep comparing this new game running on a new console and more modern pcs to the one platform that wasn't good for 3rd party game development."
No, it doesn't look like Fallout 3. Maybe you should actually go back and play F3.
So the 4-6 hour adventure game for maybe $20-$25 is priced appropriately, but the 100+ hour FPS RPG for $60 is not?
This thread is one enormous joke.
shadowsike
Neo Member
It might just be my eyesight, but the these PC screenshots seem to be only slightly higher quality than the console ones. The only difference I can see is the shading is better on PC.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Not impressed whatsoever. And I know it's probably a series "staple" or whatever, but that UI/HUD is horrid. Enough with the green.
bananafactory
Banned
Skyrim/oblivion/Fallout 3 were all on the same generation, which is probably why they kept using the same engine. Fallout 4 began development long before the PS4 was out and I suspect initially targeted last gen before being they made the decision to move entirely to next gen but at that point it was far too late to start from scratch, so they did the best they could to put makeup on something that is definitely dated in many ways.
Kenzodielocke
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Some posts in this thread:
ViolentP
Member
Precisely. Says nothing about this scenario, however.
you can change the color of the HUD. and maybe minimalize it.(?)
You can change the HUD color like in every Fallout game past 3.
you're not a programmer but do make remarks about technical, programming related issues. That's fine of course, but do know that programmers (like me) might find your remarks ... not really match reality. e.g. the amount of game objects the user can interact with in scope of the player at any given moment has nothing to do with draw calls. They're in completely different systems: the game management (with character, world objects, processes for NPCs etc.) is used to deterine what to draw on screen but you can see that as taking a snapshot of the gameworld in that system and then go over to the scene graph and related systems and use that as the basis to obtain what to draw (I'm explaining it very simplistic here, things are of course more difficult in practice). The rendering itself is then done based on what's determined after that last step.
The witcher has perhaps less containers to interact with, you can't interact with every book, with every piece of bread etc., but that's actually irrelevant; Bethesda also isn't loading the complete world with all the interactables into memory at any given point, just the ones you can interact with (i.e. the ones in scope).
IQ and framerate will be the big difference. But if the engine is still as tweakable as it was with Oblivion and Skyrim, INI tweaks will result in huge improvements, particularly to draw distance. It's going to be up to the community to add detail where Bethesda skimped though.
shadowsike
Neo Member
I think its fine that people aren't really impressed, these screenshots only look slightly better than the PS4 screenshots. Nobody expected this to look like TW3.
I don't agree with Ahab, but TT games are 10+ hours long and even though you can spend 100+ hours in Fallout 3/NV's world, I'd rather call them 50-ish hour RPGs. Recently finished both 3 and NV and I think they both took me around 35-40 hours, did most of the available quests and explored most of the locations.
Just saying. You're right, no need for the hyperbole numbers.
Apologies, I haven't played any of Telltale's games as they are not my cup of tea. Just trying to make a point.
The Janitor
Member
I assume you can also set opacity then?
What I dislike about FO4's HUD
- HP and AP bars are too long / large
- HP and AP texts aren't properly aligned with bars
- Elements at bottom are quite up and centered from bottom and corners of the screen
- Crosshair is fricking huge, what purpose that huge crosshair serves?
- Bottom half of screen is super busy [HP, AP, compass, level up, XP, quest objective etc.] while upper half of screen is basically barren
- Move compass to top of the screen
- Reduce size of crosshair noticeably
- Aligns bars with text properly
- Reduce overall size of general HUD elements so they would take less space
- Move HP & AP tad downwards and towards corners of the screen
- Throw in some opacity [hopefully this is in options]
Not really, it just looks sleeker. A shame there's no indication for ammo (edit: it pops up when you use it) and weapon condition though, but I'm sure you can toggle it in the menu, right?
Right?