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Famitsu Sales: 9/13/21 – 9/19/21

Bullet Club

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Famitsu Sales: 9/13/21 – 9/19/21​


Tales of Arise remains on top.

Famitsu has published its estimated physical game software and hardware sales data for Japan for the week of September 13, 2021 to September 19, 2021.

Tales of Arise for PlayStation 4 was the highest selling release of the week, adding another 33,128 retail sales. Neptunia x Senran Kagura: Ninja Wars for PlayStation 4 was the highest selling new release, opening at 18,789 retail sales. It was followed by BanG Dream! Girls Band Party! for Nintendo Switch, which opened at 15,398 sales.

On the hardware side, the Switch family sold 40,068 units, the PlayStation 5 family sold 16,084 units, the Xbox Series family sold 4,376 units, and the PlayStation 4 family sold 747 units. Next-generation consoles continue to face stock issues.

Get the full sales charts below.

Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales)
  1. [PS4] Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco, 09/09/21) – 33,128 (184,444)
  2. [NSW] WarioWare: Get It Together! (Nintendo, 09/10/21) – 32,131 (104,408)
  3. [PS4] Neptunia x Senran Kagura: Ninja Wars (Compile Heart, 09/16/21) – 18,789 (New)
  4. [NSW] BanG Dream! Girls Band Party! for Nintendo Switch (Broccoli, 09/16/21) – 15,398 (New)
  5. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure (Nintendo, 10/18/19) – 11,784 (2,830,643)
  6. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 11,751 (4,051,139)
  7. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft, 06/21/18) – 11,107 (2,191,918)
  8. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 6,987 (4,423,047)
  9. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu: Showa, Heisei, Reiwa mo Teiban! (Konami, 11/19/20) – 6,968 (2,374,578)
  10. [NSW] Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom – Prince’s Edition (Level-5, 09/16/21) – 6,673 (New)
Rankings 11 to 30 will be announced on September 24.

Hardware Sales (followed by lifetime sales)
  1. Switch – 31,290 (17,096,974)
  2. PlayStation 5 – 13,289 (875,557)
  3. Switch Lite – 8,778 (4,061,754)
  4. PlayStation 5 Digital Edition – 2,795 (170,158)
  5. Xbox Series X – 2,792 (61,343)
  6. Xbox Series S – 1,584 (31,023)
  7. PlayStation 4 – 747 (7,809,932)
  8. New 2DS LL (including 2DS) – 643 (1,173,483)
Source: Gematsu
 
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David Gibson just confirmed that the PS5 has sold only 500K software on a 1 million user base, as discussed in previous threads such a low tie ratio leads to the logical conclusion that below 500K of the actual PS5 sold in Japan are actually used by Japanese consumers. My guess is that the actual active Japanese audience on the PS5 is closer to 300K which would mean every owner has bought a game and a half physically.

Based on the known figures we know that Tales of Arise, Resident Evil: Village, Demon Souls, and Miles Morales are making up around 50% of those sales. Meaning that all other titles on the PS5 combined are around 250K.

For comparison in the same timeframe, PS4 had sold over 2 million software with 5 titles surpassing 100K sales(something no PS5 game has achieved yet in Japan)
 
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Bodomism

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noshten said:


David Gibson just confirmed that the PS5 has sold only 500K software on a 1 million user base, as discussed in previous threads such a low tie ratio leads to the logical conclusion that below 500K of the actual PS5 sold in Japan are actually used by Japanese consumers. My guess is that the actual active Japanese audience on the PS5 is closer to 300K which would mean every owner has bought a game and a half physically.

Based on the known figures we know that Tales of Arise, Resident Evil: Village, Demon Souls, and Miles Morales are making up around 50% of those sales. Meaning that all other titles on the PS5 combined are around 250K.

For comparison in the same timeframe, PS4 had sold over 2 million software with 5 titles surpassing 100K sales(something no PS5 game has achieved yet in Japan)
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This is really a great confirmation regarding PS5 software situation, especially it came from a Japanese sales insider like Gibson.
 
[Sigma]

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noshten said:


David Gibson just confirmed that the PS5 has sold only 500K software on a 1 million user base, as discussed in previous threads such a low tie ratio leads to the logical conclusion that below 500K of the actual PS5 sold in Japan are actually used by Japanese consumers. My guess is that the actual active Japanese audience on the PS5 is closer to 300K which would mean every owner has bought a game and a half physically.

Based on the known figures we know that Tales of Arise, Resident Evil: Village, Demon Souls, and Miles Morales are making up around 50% of those sales. Meaning that all other titles on the PS5 combined are around 250K.

For comparison in the same timeframe, PS4 had sold over 2 million software with 5 titles surpassing 100K sales(something no PS5 game has achieved yet in Japan)
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The few of us on this board who aren't in denial been saying.
 
Nautilus

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noshten said:


David Gibson just confirmed that the PS5 has sold only 500K software on a 1 million user base, as discussed in previous threads such a low tie ratio leads to the logical conclusion that below 500K of the actual PS5 sold in Japan are actually used by Japanese consumers. My guess is that the actual active Japanese audience on the PS5 is closer to 300K which would mean every owner has bought a game and a half physically.

Based on the known figures we know that Tales of Arise, Resident Evil: Village, Demon Souls, and Miles Morales are making up around 50% of those sales. Meaning that all other titles on the PS5 combined are around 250K.

For comparison in the same timeframe, PS4 had sold over 2 million software with 5 titles surpassing 100K sales(something no PS5 game has achieved yet in Japan)
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Good lord, that's abysmal.

The only thing inflating PS5 numbers and making it seem like its not as bad as it looks is probably the scalpers.
 
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noshten said:


David Gibson just confirmed that the PS5 has sold only 500K software on a 1 million user base, as discussed in previous threads such a low tie ratio leads to the logical conclusion that below 500K of the actual PS5 sold in Japan are actually used by Japanese consumers. My guess is that the actual active Japanese audience on the PS5 is closer to 300K which would mean every owner has bought a game and a half physically.

Based on the known figures we know that Tales of Arise, Resident Evil: Village, Demon Souls, and Miles Morales are making up around 50% of those sales. Meaning that all other titles on the PS5 combined are around 250K.

For comparison in the same timeframe, PS4 had sold over 2 million software with 5 titles surpassing 100K sales(something no PS5 game has achieved yet in Japan)
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So, where are the software sales being recorded for those phantom PS5s? Is there a market somewhere with more software sales than total hardware sold?
 
lh032

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I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
to be honest, based on the charts I have seen, it seems Japanese market only prefer weebo games on console >_>
 
Woopah

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Impotaku said:
Or a lot of people in japan already own one by now.
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If Switch sales were consistently this level I would agree. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the numbers have noticeably dropped just before a new SKU launches.

On an unrelated note, Arise looks like it could have some good legs. A testament to it's quality.
 
Nautilus

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Switch is way down this week, but that can be easily attributed to the imminent launch of the OLED model.

Arise did a fine second week, all things considered.

All in all, a regular week
 
Kerotan

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Nautilus said:
Good lord, that's abysmal.

The only thing inflating PS5 numbers and making it seem like its not as bad as it looks is probably the scalpers.
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So if it wasn't the most in demand console of all time WW and scalers weren't buying them who's to say more Japanese fans wouldn't buy instead? The demand in Japan is clearly nowhere near satisfied or anywhere in the world.
 
Ogbert

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This is a genuine question and not in anyway shape or form an attempt to flame - why is PS struggling so much against Nintendo in Japan?

Is it simply because Japan, as a territory, has switched (pun not intended) to handheld gaming? Do they have a culture of actually meeting up and playing on handhelds in cafes, or something? Or is it specifically the IPs - like Monster Hunter and Splatoon?

To put it another way, if Vita 2 was released, would it absolutely explode in the market?
 
Marty-McFly

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Ogbert said:
This is a genuine question and not in anyway shape or form an attempt to flame - why is PS struggling so much against Nintendo in Japan?

Is it simply because Japan, as a territory, has switched (pun not intended) to handheld gaming? Do they have a culture of actually meeting up and playing on handhelds in cafes, or something? Or is it specifically the IPs - like Monster Hunter and Splatoon?

To put it another way, if Vita 2 was released, would it absolutely explode in the market?
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Honest answer. Japan loves Nintendo games and it's not just a Japan thing. They are on top of the charts in every territory but in Japan it's just completely dominated by Nintendo games. They don't really care for Sony's offerings especially in recent years where ever their Japanese games have been westernised. Vita flopped in Japan btw. I don't know where the misconception that it did well there came from.
 
Fake

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PS4 in Japan:
soldier survive GIF
 
Woopah

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Ogbert said:
This is a genuine question and not in anyway shape or form an attempt to flame - why is PS struggling so much against Nintendo in Japan?

Is it simply because Japan, as a territory, has switched (pun not intended) to handheld gaming? Do they have a culture of actually meeting up and playing on handhelds in cafes, or something? Or is it specifically the IPs - like Monster Hunter and Splatoon?

To put it another way, if Vita 2 was released, would it absolutely explode in the market?
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Ultimately it comes down the software. When the HD era came in and Japanese publishers struggled with the costs a lot of Japanese support went to the cheaper to develop for handhelds (Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter etc. etc.). The audience followed where the games went).

PlayStation was then able to keep your good Japanese support in the later years with by offering a multiplatform strategy for third parties (PS4/PS3/PSV). This allowed the third parties a way that be successful both in the West and in Asia (since the 3DS was not successful in the West and the Wii U was not successful anywhere).

With the Switch Nintendo has a platform that is successful everywhere and is much easier to support than the 3DS ever was (no 2 screens, standard controls, easier to port etc.). It's therefore attractive to third parties to be more balanced with their support for Nintendo/PlayStation than they were during that Wii U and 3DS games.

PlayStation's initial success in Japan was built on luring away the third parties fed up with Nintendo's shitty behaviour with N64 and offering games Nintendo didn't have. Over the last few years that advantage is being eroded.

On top of this the balance of power between Nintendo and third parties has shifted. In the PS1 days the combined power of third parties was stronger than Nintendo's output. That is still true in the West (FIFA, COD, Assassin's Creed etc. are just as big as Nintendo's big hitters and they come out almost every year) but not in Japan.

So TLDR: Being able to be used portably definitely helps Switch, but the software is far more important. A Vita which has the same third party games as Switch but not the first party ones would not do nearly as well.

I tried to keep this short but I think I failed 😂😂
 
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Mr Moose

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noshten said:


David Gibson just confirmed that the PS5 has sold only 500K software on a 1 million user base, as discussed in previous threads such a low tie ratio leads to the logical conclusion that below 500K of the actual PS5 sold in Japan are actually used by Japanese consumers. My guess is that the actual active Japanese audience on the PS5 is closer to 300K which would mean every owner has bought a game and a half physically.

Based on the known figures we know that Tales of Arise, Resident Evil: Village, Demon Souls, and Miles Morales are making up around 50% of those sales. Meaning that all other titles on the PS5 combined are around 250K.

For comparison in the same timeframe, PS4 had sold over 2 million software with 5 titles surpassing 100K sales(something no PS5 game has achieved yet in Japan)
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92k consoles and 1700 disc games sold?
 
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One has to wonder if Mr Gibson has never heard of the gamer drift phenomena

There's little reason to expect decent sales from PS5 (installed base of over 1 million) when NSW+PS4 software sales in Japan are atrocious (with a combined installed base of over 30 million)

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Ogbert said:
This is a genuine question and not in anyway shape or form an attempt to flame - why is PS struggling so much against Nintendo in Japan?
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It has nothing to do with Nintendo.

Japan has become hostile to third party publishers' traditional games, and PlayStation merely reflects their decline. Fortunately, sales are booming in the US and Europe and, therefore, PlayStation and the japanese publishers have no reason to change.


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A better question would be: Which platform has/sells the most japanese games? Nothing has changed since 1994.


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zedinen said:
A better question would be: Which platform has/sells the most japanese games? Nothing has changed since 1994.


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In 2021 Japanese third parties have sold the most on the Switch followed by PC...

Monster Hunter Rise alone has out-sold the three highest selling Japanese third party games on the PS4/PS5 - Resident Evil Village, Nier Replicant & Tales of Arise and all of those games appeared on PC

Since Japanese third parties big efforts weren't on the Switch during it's first four years on the market it makes sense why they haven't been achieving great sales on the system. Its only late 2020 with Momotaro did we get our first 1 million seller in Japan on the Switch from a Japanese Third Party.. by this time 3DS had over 8 different third party million sellers in the country.

Third Party Top 30 3DS Japan
  1. Monster Hunter 4 (Capcom) - 3.591.334
  2. Yo-kai Watch 2 (Level 5) - 3.169.858
  3. Monster Hunter Generations (Capcom) - 2.832.833
  4. Yo-kai Watch 2: Psychic Specters (Level 5) - 2.632.550
  5. Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate (Capcom) - 2.617.803
  6. Yo-Kai Watch Busters (Level 5) - 2.167.915
  7. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Capcom) - 1.941.106
  8. Dragon Quest XI (Square Enix) - 1.772.911
  9. Monster Hunter XX (Capcom) - 1.718.052
  10. Yo-Kai Watch 3 (Level 5) - 1.495.891
  11. Puzzle & Dragons Z (GungHo) - 1.470.222
  12. Yo-Kai Watch (Level 5) - 1.294.133
  13. Dragon Quest VII (Square Enix) - 1.238.660
  14. Monster Strike (Mixi) - 968.543
  15. Dragon Quest Monsters (Square Enix) - 921.310
  16. Dragon Quest VIII (Square Enix) - 864.865
  17. Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 (Square Enix) - 811.251
  18. Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki (Level 5) - 760.373
  19. Dragon Quest Monsters 2 (Square Enix) - 751.587
  20. Run For Money Tousouchuu (Bandai Namco) - 604.430
  21. Taiko no Tatsujin (Bandai Namco) - 590.132
  22. Yo-Kai Sangokushi (Level 5) - 563.395
  23. Disney Magic World (Bandai Namco) - 532.218
  24. Yo-kai Watch Busters 2 (Level 5) - 520.682
  25. Inazuma Eleven Go: Light / Shadow (Level 5) - 455.172
  26. Inazuma Eleven Go: Chrono Stones (Level 5) - 444.100
  27. Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains (Spike Chunsoft) - 401.513
  28. Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 396.914
  29. Bravely Default (Square Enix) - 382.958
  30. Fantasy Life (Level 5) - 379.211
TOTAL: 38.291.922

The only 1M+ games from the Third Party Top 30 list on the 3DS that were released after it's 4th year on the market are Monster Hunter Generations, Yo-Kai Watch Busters, Dragon Quest XI, Monster Hunter XX, Yo-Kai Watch 3 - the Switch in comparison is only starting to get third party support right now.
In 2021 which still has it's final quarter to go it's already matched the output by third parties for the previous four years. With a bunch more third parties set to launch in the coming months the actual sales for them this year are easily going to surpass 10 million in Japan alone, that's not even considering Switch's dominant position in the Rest of Asia and North America. Right now the only competitive major market is Europe and thats basically the only places where Japanese third parties might sell better on the PS4/PS5 compared to the Switch but even this is questionable considering Tales of Arise is selling under 10K units in the UK - Sony's stronghold.
 
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Bernd Lauert

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noshten said:


David Gibson just confirmed that the PS5 has sold only 500K software on a 1 million user base, as discussed in previous threads such a low tie ratio leads to the logical conclusion that below 500K of the actual PS5 sold in Japan are actually used by Japanese consumers. My guess is that the actual active Japanese audience on the PS5 is closer to 300K which would mean every owner has bought a game and a half physically.

Based on the known figures we know that Tales of Arise, Resident Evil: Village, Demon Souls, and Miles Morales are making up around 50% of those sales. Meaning that all other titles on the PS5 combined are around 250K.

For comparison in the same timeframe, PS4 had sold over 2 million software with 5 titles surpassing 100K sales(something no PS5 game has achieved yet in Japan)
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He probably even overestimates the digital ratio, so PS5 has a sub 1x attach rate. Scalping basically confirmed.

Also Series likely gonna beat lifetime One sales in its first year lmao.
 
Woopah

Woopah

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noshten said:
In 2021 Japanese third parties have sold the most on the Switch followed by PC...

Monster Hunter Rise alone has out-sold the three highest selling Japanese third party games on the PS4/PS5 - Resident Evil Village, Nier Replicant & Tales of Arise and all of those games appeared on PC

Since Japanese third parties big efforts weren't on the Switch during it's first four years on the market it makes sense why they haven't been achieving great sales on the system. Its only late 2020 with Momotaro did we get our first 1 million seller in Japan on the Switch from a Japanese Third Party.. by this time 3DS had over 8 different third party million sellers in the country.

Third Party Top 30 3DS Japan
  1. Monster Hunter 4 (Capcom) - 3.591.334
  2. Yo-kai Watch 2 (Level 5) - 3.169.858
  3. Monster Hunter Generations (Capcom) - 2.832.833
  4. Yo-kai Watch 2: Psychic Specters (Level 5) - 2.632.550
  5. Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate (Capcom) - 2.617.803
  6. Yo-Kai Watch Busters (Level 5) - 2.167.915
  7. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Capcom) - 1.941.106
  8. Dragon Quest XI (Square Enix) - 1.772.911
  9. Monster Hunter XX (Capcom) - 1.718.052
  10. Yo-Kai Watch 3 (Level 5) - 1.495.891
  11. Puzzle & Dragons Z (GungHo) - 1.470.222
  12. Yo-Kai Watch (Level 5) - 1.294.133
  13. Dragon Quest VII (Square Enix) - 1.238.660
  14. Monster Strike (Mixi) - 968.543
  15. Dragon Quest Monsters (Square Enix) - 921.310
  16. Dragon Quest VIII (Square Enix) - 864.865
  17. Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 (Square Enix) - 811.251
  18. Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki (Level 5) - 760.373
  19. Dragon Quest Monsters 2 (Square Enix) - 751.587
  20. Run For Money Tousouchuu (Bandai Namco) - 604.430
  21. Taiko no Tatsujin (Bandai Namco) - 590.132
  22. Yo-Kai Sangokushi (Level 5) - 563.395
  23. Disney Magic World (Bandai Namco) - 532.218
  24. Yo-kai Watch Busters 2 (Level 5) - 520.682
  25. Inazuma Eleven Go: Light / Shadow (Level 5) - 455.172
  26. Inazuma Eleven Go: Chrono Stones (Level 5) - 444.100
  27. Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains (Spike Chunsoft) - 401.513
  28. Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 396.914
  29. Bravely Default (Square Enix) - 382.958
  30. Fantasy Life (Level 5) - 379.211
TOTAL: 38.291.922

The only 1M+ games from the Third Party Top 30 list on the 3DS that were released after it's 4th year on the market are Monster Hunter Generations, Yo-Kai Watch Busters, Dragon Quest XI, Monster Hunter XX, Yo-Kai Watch 3 - the Switch in comparison is only starting to get third party support right now.
In 2021 which still has it's final quarter to go it's already matched the output by third parties for the previous four years. With a bunch more third parties set to launch in the coming months the actual sales for them this year are easily going to surpass 10 million in Japan alone, that's not even considering Switch's dominant position in the Rest of Asia and North America. Right now the only competitive major market is Europe and thats basically the only places where Japanese third parties might sell better on the PS4/PS5 compared to the Switch but even this is questionable considering Tales of Arise is selling under 10K units in the UK - Sony's stronghold.
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Two points I'd argue on this is that Nintendo is more competitive in the UK than they are in other areas and I wouldn't call the UK Sony's stronghold. That would probably be the Nordics.

Also been though Switch will outsell the PS4 in North America, Sony is still definitely competitive there.
 
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Woopah said:
Two points I'd argue on this is that Nintendo is more competitive in the UK than they are in other areas and I wouldn't call the UK Sony's stronghold. That would probably be the Nordics.

Also been though Switch will outsell the PS4 in North America, Sony is still definitely competitive there.
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I'd agree overall Switch has made Nintendo competitive in the UK again but its a Sony stronghold compared to other major markets like US, Japan, France, Germany, South Korea, China etc.
 
Woopah

Woopah

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noshten said:
I'd agree overall Switch has made Nintendo competitive in the UK again but its a Sony stronghold compared to other major markets like US, Japan, France, Germany, South Korea, China etc.
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Yes that's if you look at just the main European markets that's where Nintendo is weakest, I agree with that.
 
Roger Rabbit

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Woopah said:
Retail space for Xbox games is very limited in Japan I believe. Can be challenging to buy physically on that platform.
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Yep. My local BIC Camera has nothing at all for Xbox. Yamada Denki has a couple of controllers, and Flight Simulator.

A bigger Yamada Denki in the town has a few Bone games, mostly years old but still at day one prices, and flight sim. No consoles at all.
 
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noshten

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Famitsu Top 50 Third Party 2021:
  1. [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise (Capcom) - 2.323.833
  2. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu (Konami) - 1.141.555
  3. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft) - 474.962
  4. [NSW] Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town (Marvelous) – 281.140
  5. [NSW] Monster Hunter Stories 2 (Capcom) - 227.554
  6. [PS4] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 191.983
  7. [NSW] Baseball Spirits 2021 (Konami) - 191.483
  8. [PS4] Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco) - 184.444
  9. [NSW] Crayon Shin-Chan (Neos) - 183.733
  10. [PS4] NieR Replicant (Square Enix) - 158.265
  11. [NSW] Bravely Default II (Square Enix) – 136.091
  12. [NSW] Rune Factory 5 (Marvelous) - 127.968
  13. [NSW] Yu-Gi-Oh! Rush Duel (Konami) - 127.221
  14. [NSW] Fitness Boxing 2 (Imagineer) - 111.171
  15. [NSW] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 105.542
  16. [NSW] Human Fall Flat (Teyon Japan) - 85.310
  17. [NSW] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 72.796
  18. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 72.727
  19. [NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco) - 70.964
  20. [NSW] Fishing S-pirits (Bandai Namco) - 68.180
  21. [PS5] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 67.000
  22. [NSW] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 65.620
  23. [NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo) - 62.119
  24. [NSW] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 61.350
  25. [NSW] Minecraft Dungeons (Microsoft) - 59.256
  26. [PS5] Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco) - 56.913
  27. [NSW] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega) - 40.688
  28. [NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (Sega) - 36.105
  29. [NSW] Family Trainer (Bandai Namco) - 35.273
  30. [PS4] Scarlet Nexus(Bandai Namco) - 31.665
  31. [PS4] Biomutant (THQ Nordic) - 30.292
  32. [NSW] Densha de Go!! (Square Enix) - 29.624
  33. [NSW] Apex Legends: Champion Edition (Electronic Arts) - 29.057
  34. [NSW] eBaseball Powerful Pro Baseball 2020 (Konami) - 27.539
  35. [NSW] Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny (Nippon Ichi) - 25.744
  36. [NSW] Jack Jeanne (Broccoli) - 25.518
  37. [PS4] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 24.968
  38. [PS4] Judgment [New Price Edition] (Sega) - 24.271
  39. [PS5] Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (Square Enix) - 23.491
  40. [NSW] Neo: The World Ends with You (Square Enix) - 22.028
  41. [NSW] The Quintessential Quintuplets Double Integral (Mages.) - 20.374
  42. [NSW] A-Train: All Aboard! Tourism (Artdink) - 20.043
  43. [PS4] Neptunia x Senran Kagura: Ninja Wars (Compile Heart) – 18.789 NEW
  44. [PS4] Disgaea 6 (Nippon Ichi) - 18.289
  45. [NSW] The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (Capcom) – 18.197
  46. [PS4] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 16.352
  47. [PS4] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 16.235
  48. [NSW] BanG Dream! Girls Band Party! (Broccoli) – 15.398 NEW
  49. [NSW] Angelique Luminarise (Koei Tecmo) - 14.506
  50. [PS4] Ninja Gaiden: Master Collection (Koei Tecmo) - 14.483
TOTAL: 7.271.757
TOTAL NSW: 6.340.379 (87.2%)
TOTAL PS4: 783.974 (10.8%)
TOTAL PS5: 147.404 (2%)

Top 10 Third Party Publishers
  1. Capcom - 2.828.567 (38.9%)
  2. Konami - 1.487.798 (20.5%)
  3. Bandai Namco - 545.203 (7.5%)
  4. Microsoft - 534.218 (7.3%)
  5. Square Enix - 491.393 (6.8%)
  6. Marvelous - 490.963 (6.7%)
  7. Other - 273.416 (3.8%)
  8. Koei Tecmo - 225.185 (3%)
  9. Neos - 183.733 (2.5%)
  10. Imagineer - 111.171 (1.5%)
  11. Sega - 101.064 (1.4%)
Bandai has moved into 3rd Place after the launch of Tales of Arise, overtaking Marvelous, Square Enix & Microsoft in the process.

Line-up for Rest of Year by Publisher:

Capcom - nothing until the end of the year
Konami - Castlevania Advance Collection(multiplat digital only), Power Pro Pocket R(Switch Exclusive), Girls Side 4th Heart(Switch Exclusive), eFootball(F2P PS Exclusive)
Bandai Namco - Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot(late port on Switch), Super Robot Wars 30(multiplat), Disney Magical World 2(Switch Exclusive), The IdolM@aster(PS Exclusive)
Square Enix - Voice of Cards(Switch Exclusive?), Guardians of the Galaxy(PS Exclusive / Switch gets a Cloud version)
Marvelous - nothing until end of the year
Koei Tecmo - Fatal Frame(multiplat), Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires(multiplat), Blue Reflection: Second Light(mutliplat)
Sega - Lost Judgement(PS Exclusive)
Atlus - SMT V(Switch Exclusive)
Level 5 - Megaton Musashi(multiplat)
Falcom - The Legend of Heroes: Kuro no Kiseki(PS4 Exclusive)
Spike Chunsoft - Danganronpa Trilogy Pack(late ports)
FuRyu - Monark(multiplat)
Tango - Ghostwire: Tokyo(PS Exclusive)

Not sure if I missed anything but in my opinion SMT V & Power Pro Pocket R are the games that will sell the most, followed by Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires, Super Robot Wars 30, Lost Judgement, Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot, Megaton Musashi.
Overall third parties sells will reach 9 to 10 million within the Top 50 this year, with Switch having 90% of sales due to Rise, Momotaro & Minecraft moving a ton of units at the very top.
 
Woopah

Woopah

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noshten said:
Famitsu Top 50 Third Party 2021:
  1. [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise (Capcom) - 2.323.833
  2. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu (Konami) - 1.141.555
  3. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft) - 474.962
  4. [NSW] Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town (Marvelous) – 281.140
  5. [NSW] Monster Hunter Stories 2 (Capcom) - 227.554
  6. [PS4] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 191.983
  7. [NSW] Baseball Spirits 2021 (Konami) - 191.483
  8. [PS4] Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco) - 184.444
  9. [NSW] Crayon Shin-Chan (Neos) - 183.733
  10. [PS4] NieR Replicant (Square Enix) - 158.265
  11. [NSW] Bravely Default II (Square Enix) – 136.091
  12. [NSW] Rune Factory 5 (Marvelous) - 127.968
  13. [NSW] Yu-Gi-Oh! Rush Duel (Konami) - 127.221
  14. [NSW] Fitness Boxing 2 (Imagineer) - 111.171
  15. [NSW] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 105.542
  16. [NSW] Human Fall Flat (Teyon Japan) - 85.310
  17. [NSW] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 72.796
  18. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 72.727
  19. [NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco) - 70.964
  20. [NSW] Fishing S-pirits (Bandai Namco) - 68.180
  21. [PS5] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 67.000
  22. [NSW] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 65.620
  23. [NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo) - 62.119
  24. [NSW] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 61.350
  25. [NSW] Minecraft Dungeons (Microsoft) - 59.256
  26. [PS5] Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco) - 56.913
  27. [NSW] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega) - 40.688
  28. [NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (Sega) - 36.105
  29. [NSW] Family Trainer (Bandai Namco) - 35.273
  30. [PS4] Scarlet Nexus(Bandai Namco) - 31.665
  31. [PS4] Biomutant (THQ Nordic) - 30.292
  32. [NSW] Densha de Go!! (Square Enix) - 29.624
  33. [NSW] Apex Legends: Champion Edition (Electronic Arts) - 29.057
  34. [NSW] eBaseball Powerful Pro Baseball 2020 (Konami) - 27.539
  35. [NSW] Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny (Nippon Ichi) - 25.744
  36. [NSW] Jack Jeanne (Broccoli) - 25.518
  37. [PS4] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 24.968
  38. [PS4] Judgment [New Price Edition] (Sega) - 24.271
  39. [PS5] Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (Square Enix) - 23.491
  40. [NSW] Neo: The World Ends with You (Square Enix) - 22.028
  41. [NSW] The Quintessential Quintuplets Double Integral (Mages.) - 20.374
  42. [NSW] A-Train: All Aboard! Tourism (Artdink) - 20.043
  43. [PS4] Neptunia x Senran Kagura: Ninja Wars (Compile Heart) – 18.789 NEW
  44. [PS4] Disgaea 6 (Nippon Ichi) - 18.289
  45. [NSW] The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (Capcom) – 18.197
  46. [PS4] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 16.352
  47. [PS4] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 16.235
  48. [NSW] BanG Dream! Girls Band Party! (Broccoli) – 15.398 NEW
  49. [NSW] Angelique Luminarise (Koei Tecmo) - 14.506
  50. [PS4] Ninja Gaiden: Master Collection (Koei Tecmo) - 14.483
TOTAL: 7.271.757
TOTAL NSW: 6.340.379 (87.2%)
TOTAL PS4: 783.974 (10.8%)
TOTAL PS5: 147.404 (2%)

Top 10 Third Party Publishers
  1. Capcom - 2.828.567 (38.9%)
  2. Konami - 1.487.798 (20.5%)
  3. Bandai Namco - 545.203 (7.5%)
  4. Microsoft - 534.218 (7.3%)
  5. Square Enix - 491.393 (6.8%)
  6. Marvelous - 490.963 (6.7%)
  7. Other - 273.416 (3.8%)
  8. Koei Tecmo - 225.185 (3%)
  9. Neos - 183.733 (2.5%)
  10. Imagineer - 111.171 (1.5%)
  11. Sega - 101.064 (1.4%)
Bandai has moved into 3rd Place after the launch of Tales of Arise, overtaking Marvelous, Square Enix & Microsoft in the process.

Line-up for Rest of Year by Publisher:

Capcom - nothing until the end of the year
Konami - Castlevania Advance Collection(multiplat digital only), Power Pro Pocket R(Switch Exclusive), Girls Side 4th Heart(Switch Exclusive), eFootball(F2P PS Exclusive)
Bandai Namco - Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot(late port on Switch), Super Robot Wars 30(multiplat), Disney Magical World 2(Switch Exclusive), The IdolM@aster(PS Exclusive)
Square Enix - Voice of Cards(Switch Exclusive?), Guardians of the Galaxy(PS Exclusive / Switch gets a Cloud version)
Marvelous - nothing until end of the year
Koei Tecmo - Fatal Frame(multiplat), Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires(multiplat), Blue Reflection: Second Light(mutliplat)
Sega - Lost Judgement(PS Exclusive)
Atlus - SMT V(Switch Exclusive)
Level 5 - Megaton Musashi(multiplat)
Falcom - The Legend of Heroes: Kuro no Kiseki(PS4 Exclusive)
Spike Chunsoft - Danganronpa Trilogy Pack(late ports)
FuRyu - Monark(multiplat)
Tango - Ghostwire: Tokyo(PS Exclusive)

Not sure if I missed anything but in my opinion SMT V & Power Pro Pocket R are the games that will sell the most, followed by Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires, Super Robot Wars 30, Lost Judgement, Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot, Megaton Musashi.
Overall third parties sells will reach 9 to 10 million within the Top 50 this year, with Switch having 90% of sales due to Rise, Momotaro & Minecraft moving a ton of units at the very top.
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Demon Slayer should be the biggest PS game for the rest of the year, and Ghostwire has been delayed to next year.

I'm not sure if voice of cards is getting a retail release (it's multiplat I believe) but Digimon Survive should still be coming this year.
 
smbu2000

smbu2000

Member
Kerotan said:
Xbox like ps5 is being bought by scalpers for the rest of Asia.
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Most likely people are just buying games digitally or are using Game Pass.
It is not easy to purchase games Xbox games physically in Japan. I rarely see them now. They were a bit more prevalent at the start of the X1 generation in some stores, but they soon disappeared for the most part, at least in my area.
You have much better luck trying to get a physical Xbox game via Amazon JP.

Since I bought my Xbox Series X (on launch day from the Microsoft JP Store), I haven't bought any games physically for it. I have Game Pass Ultimate and the games I have bought have all been digital.
Physical games for the other systems are much easier to find compared to Xbox. I buy physical and digital games for my Switch as they are much more widely available. For Xbox in Japan? Not so much.
 
B

Bodomism

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noshten said:
Famitsu Top 50 Third Party 2021:
  1. [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise (Capcom) - 2.323.833
  2. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu (Konami) - 1.141.555
  3. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft) - 474.962
  4. [NSW] Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town (Marvelous) – 281.140
  5. [NSW] Monster Hunter Stories 2 (Capcom) - 227.554
  6. [PS4] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 191.983
  7. [NSW] Baseball Spirits 2021 (Konami) - 191.483
  8. [PS4] Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco) - 184.444
  9. [NSW] Crayon Shin-Chan (Neos) - 183.733
  10. [PS4] NieR Replicant (Square Enix) - 158.265
  11. [NSW] Bravely Default II (Square Enix) – 136.091
  12. [NSW] Rune Factory 5 (Marvelous) - 127.968
  13. [NSW] Yu-Gi-Oh! Rush Duel (Konami) - 127.221
  14. [NSW] Fitness Boxing 2 (Imagineer) - 111.171
  15. [NSW] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 105.542
  16. [NSW] Human Fall Flat (Teyon Japan) - 85.310
  17. [NSW] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 72.796
  18. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 72.727
  19. [NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco) - 70.964
  20. [NSW] Fishing S-pirits (Bandai Namco) - 68.180
  21. [PS5] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 67.000
  22. [NSW] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 65.620
  23. [NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo) - 62.119
  24. [NSW] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 61.350
  25. [NSW] Minecraft Dungeons (Microsoft) - 59.256
  26. [PS5] Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco) - 56.913
  27. [NSW] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega) - 40.688
  28. [NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (Sega) - 36.105
  29. [NSW] Family Trainer (Bandai Namco) - 35.273
  30. [PS4] Scarlet Nexus(Bandai Namco) - 31.665
  31. [PS4] Biomutant (THQ Nordic) - 30.292
  32. [NSW] Densha de Go!! (Square Enix) - 29.624
  33. [NSW] Apex Legends: Champion Edition (Electronic Arts) - 29.057
  34. [NSW] eBaseball Powerful Pro Baseball 2020 (Konami) - 27.539
  35. [NSW] Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny (Nippon Ichi) - 25.744
  36. [NSW] Jack Jeanne (Broccoli) - 25.518
  37. [PS4] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 24.968
  38. [PS4] Judgment [New Price Edition] (Sega) - 24.271
  39. [PS5] Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (Square Enix) - 23.491
  40. [NSW] Neo: The World Ends with You (Square Enix) - 22.028
  41. [NSW] The Quintessential Quintuplets Double Integral (Mages.) - 20.374
  42. [NSW] A-Train: All Aboard! Tourism (Artdink) - 20.043
  43. [PS4] Neptunia x Senran Kagura: Ninja Wars (Compile Heart) – 18.789 NEW
  44. [PS4] Disgaea 6 (Nippon Ichi) - 18.289
  45. [NSW] The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (Capcom) – 18.197
  46. [PS4] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 16.352
  47. [PS4] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 16.235
  48. [NSW] BanG Dream! Girls Band Party! (Broccoli) – 15.398 NEW
  49. [NSW] Angelique Luminarise (Koei Tecmo) - 14.506
  50. [PS4] Ninja Gaiden: Master Collection (Koei Tecmo) - 14.483
TOTAL: 7.271.757
TOTAL NSW: 6.340.379 (87.2%)
TOTAL PS4: 783.974 (10.8%)
TOTAL PS5: 147.404 (2%)

Top 10 Third Party Publishers
  1. Capcom - 2.828.567 (38.9%)
  2. Konami - 1.487.798 (20.5%)
  3. Bandai Namco - 545.203 (7.5%)
  4. Microsoft - 534.218 (7.3%)
  5. Square Enix - 491.393 (6.8%)
  6. Marvelous - 490.963 (6.7%)
  7. Other - 273.416 (3.8%)
  8. Koei Tecmo - 225.185 (3%)
  9. Neos - 183.733 (2.5%)
  10. Imagineer - 111.171 (1.5%)
  11. Sega - 101.064 (1.4%)
Bandai has moved into 3rd Place after the launch of Tales of Arise, overtaking Marvelous, Square Enix & Microsoft in the process.

Line-up for Rest of Year by Publisher:

Capcom - nothing until the end of the year
Konami - Castlevania Advance Collection(multiplat digital only), Power Pro Pocket R(Switch Exclusive), Girls Side 4th Heart(Switch Exclusive), eFootball(F2P PS Exclusive)
Bandai Namco - Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot(late port on Switch), Super Robot Wars 30(multiplat), Disney Magical World 2(Switch Exclusive), The IdolM@aster(PS Exclusive)
Square Enix - Voice of Cards(Switch Exclusive?), Guardians of the Galaxy(PS Exclusive / Switch gets a Cloud version)
Marvelous - nothing until end of the year
Koei Tecmo - Fatal Frame(multiplat), Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires(multiplat), Blue Reflection: Second Light(mutliplat)
Sega - Lost Judgement(PS Exclusive)
Atlus - SMT V(Switch Exclusive)
Level 5 - Megaton Musashi(multiplat)
Falcom - The Legend of Heroes: Kuro no Kiseki(PS4 Exclusive)
Spike Chunsoft - Danganronpa Trilogy Pack(late ports)
FuRyu - Monark(multiplat)
Tango - Ghostwire: Tokyo(PS Exclusive)

Not sure if I missed anything but in my opinion SMT V & Power Pro Pocket R are the games that will sell the most, followed by Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires, Super Robot Wars 30, Lost Judgement, Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot, Megaton Musashi.
Overall third parties sells will reach 9 to 10 million within the Top 50 this year, with Switch having 90% of sales due to Rise, Momotaro & Minecraft moving a ton of units at the very top.
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PS4 user base is still very active and bigger than PS5, this is the exact opposite of Nintendo WiiU and Nintendo Switch where Nintendo Switch active user base is very prominent right off the bat. This kind issues makes the developers that want to prioritize PS5 only game is scaling back to make sure PS4 version is available at launch such as RE8 when the developer was happy to announce last gen version lol.
 
Nautilus

Nautilus

Banned
Kerotan said:
So if it wasn't the most in demand console of all time WW and scalers weren't buying them who's to say more Japanese fans wouldn't buy instead? The demand in Japan is clearly nowhere near satisfied or anywhere in the world.
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Sony would be the one to say.

First of all, if demand was so high in Japan as you imply it to be, then scalpers would be reselling them in Japan, and people would be buying them.That's just a principle of the market.

Secondly, if Sony did indeed believe there was a bigger demand there( A bigger demand than the PS4 or the PS3 did, for example), Sony wouldn't be ignoring Japan as they have been since launch.They are the ones that have most access to the data, and understand better than anyone their situation there. And this data that we just got confirms that the PS5 will (likely, but not certainly) be down compared to PS4.

It's not me saying that, its the data that is. Not that Sony cares that much, they are more than compensating elsewhere in the rest of the world, but it can't be denied that their situation in Japan its at its lowest.
 
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MrA

Member
Woopah said:
Demon Slayer should be the biggest PS game for the rest of the year, and Ghostwire has been delayed to next year.

I'm not sure if voice of cards is getting a retail release (it's multiplat I believe) but Digimon Survive should still be coming this year.
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Voice of cards better get a retail release (well in japan doesn't benefit me, but still) as some one that actually looks at art books occasionally, I want a collectors edition with one
 
Kokoloko85

Kokoloko85

Member
Ogbert said:
This is a genuine question and not in anyway shape or form an attempt to flame - why is PS struggling so much against Nintendo in Japan?

Is it simply because Japan, as a territory, has switched (pun not intended) to handheld gaming? Do they have a culture of actually meeting up and playing on handhelds in cafes, or something? Or is it specifically the IPs - like Monster Hunter and Splatoon?

To put it another way, if Vita 2 was released, would it absolutely explode in the market?
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Nintendo Portables do great. And now they are doing even better because its console quality in a hybrid.

Plus they are releasing great niche smaller titles, and alot of JRPG’s. They don’t normally release that many JRPG’s on there consoles since the Snes. They do on portables though.
Switch Lite numbres are low but thats because most people have the OG Switch and why wouldnt you? I normally buy Nintendo portables but I didnt need to as I have the hyrbid.

People like to act that Japan loves Nintendo but the numbers talk. Where has the love been for the last 2 and a half decades lol? Outside of the Switch, why can’t they show how Japan loves Nintendo consoles?

Japan didnt have much love for Nintendo games during the Wii U, Gamecube, N64 consoles, etc. If they did love Nintendo games why were the console and software sales so below the competition?
The N64 had less sales then the Sega Saturn. The Gamecube sold horribly as did the Wii U. ( I love all 3 consoles btw )
Even the software for Wii wasn‘t like the handhelds or Switch Software sales. While the handhelds have always sold well.

A PSP3 would only do well if they port the PS4/PS5 library and carry on releasing games like the next Dragon Quest, Persona, Final Fantasy. But they would also need those smaller and niche titles like the original PSP and Nintendo handhelds. Otherwise it won’t sell well. The PSP sold great, more than the current 3DS and on Par with the GBA so no reason it won’t sell well again.

They just need to have the smaller nicher portable like games that Japan loves, plus the console library
 
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Ogbert

Ogbert

Member
Kokoloko85 said:
Nintendo Portables do great. And now they are doing even better because its console quality in a hybrid.

Plus they are releasing great niche smaller titles, and alot of JRPG’s. They don’t normally release that many JRPG’s on there consoles since the Snes. They do on portables though.
Switch Lite numbres are low but thats because most people have the OG Switch and why wouldnt you? I normally buy Nintendo portables but I didnt need to as I have the hyrbid.

People like to act that Japan loves Nintendo but the numbers talk. Where has the love been for the last 2 and a half decades lol? Outside of the Switch, why can’t they show how Japan loves Nintendo consoles?

Japan didnt have much love for Nintendo games during the Wii U, Gamecube, N64 consoles, etc. If they did love Nintendo games why were the console and software sales so below the competition?
The N64 had less sales then the Sega Saturn. The Gamecube sold horribly as did the Wii U. ( I love all 3 consoles btw )
Even the software for Wii wasn‘t like the handhelds or Switch Software sales. While the handhelds have always sold well.

A PSP3 would only do well if they port the PS4/PS5 library and carry on releasing games like the next Dragon Quest, Persona, Final Fantasy. But they would also need those smaller and niche titles like the original PSP and Nintendo handhelds. Otherwise it won’t sell well. The PSP sold great, more than the current 3DS and on Par with the GBA so no reason it won’t sell well again.

They just need to have the smaller nicher portable like games that Japan loves, plus the console library
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Thanks.

It just surprises me that Sony isn’t looking to target that handheld market too. They certainly still have many game Ips on side; Atlus, Capcom et al - all could produce killer titles for the Japanese handheld market.

It simply surprises me how Western focussed Sony seems to be these days. Not that it isn’t working; obviously selling gang busters in the US and Europe.
 
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