the way I see baseline weekly
70k+ amazing sales
40-70k excellent
30k sustainable
20k, back to ps4
10k vita means life
the ps5 does have to burn through the pent up demand, we still aren't sure what the new baseline is.
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Famitsu Week 11, 2023 (Mar 06 - Mar 12)
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70k+ amazing sales
40-70k excellent
30k sustainable
20k, back to ps4
10k vita means life
the ps5 does have to burn through the pent up demand, we still aren't sure what the new baseline is.
kazuyamishima
Member
Very good numbers for the PS5 without any new releases, it's Up YoY a lot compared to 2022 and 2021, it will be interesting to see what the numbers could be when PS5 only games start to release more and more.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Hardware sales are good based on the demand meeting supply, but when the people who have been waiting get it, then the low software sales is going to become an issue for the PS5. FF16 will give it a bump but it needs more than that.
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Nautilus
Banned
I think that even 50k is way too high, but I'll be pleasently surprised if it is.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Also isn't this supposed to be the week release where our resident expert in Japan mathematics said we would see the PS5 drop 50% and fall behind the PS4 or was that next week?
He has vanished.
He has vanished.
kazuyamishima
Member
Henry or Henri has left the Building.
We still have one expert left tho, the majority are on Installbase forum.
Woopah
Member
Spiderman did 323,000, so right now Spiderman 2 is PlayStation's biggest game for the end of the year.
Agree 100%
What are you expecting?
TLZ
Banned
Because scalpers buy them all and sell them to China, where they don't play games and use the PS5s for Bitcoin mining. They realised they weren't making any money in Japan because people don't know what a PS5 is.
Unknown?
Member
He wasn't arguing that though, just showing how weak the argument is in the opposite direction.
Nautilus
Banned
Honestly? Considering that PS systems have been on a downward spiral ever since the PS2, and that the PS5 has seemingly done nothing to stop that and that the software situation is horrenduos, it stands to reason that it will peform as well or worse than the PS4.
So I believe it should be around 20k.
thismeinteil
Member
I'm wondering if the PS5 can outsell it's LTD at the end of 2022 in just this year. It needs to sell over 2.38M this year to do it. So, 1.64M to go.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Golden Week end of April will see a strong hardware sales bump and then FFXVI in June will generate buzz.
I imagine Sony will have this PS Showcase late too between both of those.
They may well show: FFXVI, FFVII:R, DQXII, KH4. All of these games are announced but they haven't shown hardly anything of the latter 3. Would generate some buzz for Japanese gamers.
Also, some potential announcements for PS5 this year: P3 Remake, P6, Tales of Arise 2, FFIX Remake, FFX related game, FF Tactics etc..
Next Yakuza and Stellar Blade will also appeal to Japanese fans, as well as Spiderman 2.
Good years ahead for the platform in its home territory I feel and a slim model would go down well no doubt.
I imagine Sony will have this PS Showcase late too between both of those.
They may well show: FFXVI, FFVII:R, DQXII, KH4. All of these games are announced but they haven't shown hardly anything of the latter 3. Would generate some buzz for Japanese gamers.
Also, some potential announcements for PS5 this year: P3 Remake, P6, Tales of Arise 2, FFIX Remake, FFX related game, FF Tactics etc..
Next Yakuza and Stellar Blade will also appeal to Japanese fans, as well as Spiderman 2.
Good years ahead for the platform in its home territory I feel and a slim model would go down well no doubt.
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Baki
Member
Stock issues again?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Agreed. And that's 2.6 million units a year, which is good for full consoles in Japan. Anything over 3 million per year would be AMAZING!!!
Woopah
Member
It could be there at some points in the year, but I think it will be noticeably above that fir thx majority of the next 9 months. I reckon you're underestimating it.
Exactly, I think PS5 will do pretty well this year.
Nautilus
Banned
Maybe. But the good thing about japanese sales is that we don't have to speculate, or hope the companies will be benevolent to show us their data. We get hard data every week, so either of us will be proven in due time.
nial
Gold Member
Square being dumb as always with them not releasing the first one on PlayStation.
Nautilus
Banned
Square probably had a deal with Nintendo about not releasing the first OT anywhere for a year or two(Due to a marketing deal probably). OT sold more than 3.5 million units, so I hardly call that a bad decision.
nial
Gold Member
I mean, in perspective with PS users, it was indeed a bad decision to release the sequel on PS4/PS5, but not the first one. It ended up releasing on Xbox, so it wasn't a permanent Switch console exclusive or anything.
John Wick
Member
It's funny how you normalise your takes on Switch sales but your takes on PS5 are way out of sync?. There's nothing you state an idiot wouldn't know!
Everyone by now knows mobile and handheld are massive in Japan. Home console sales are declining. Also with Switch being less than half price of PS5. These things matter in Japan. There has always been a demand for PS5 in Japan but the shortages prevented Sony from ever meeting it. The shipment numbers should give you a clue on how short Sony were.
The experts on Japanese culture are getting quieter since you can only move the goal posts so much before you've left the damn stadium.
Henry Panic
Banned
Another week showing around a 20% drop for PS5 showing it keeps shrinking once the stock hype settled l, and still no real software charting.
Next week it's going to shrink again, possibly fall below switch in units, there's nothing to sustain it's sales so it's going to keep shrinking as I said before, and as it's lead continues to decline in percentage rate it's eventually going to fall behind the PS4.
What are people going to buy a PS4 for in the future? Final Fantasy 16? 15 struggled to reach it's ltd over years and barely moved hardware beyond week 2 and that was a big drop from week 1. 16 is also attempting to move away from the jrpg label, which is a bad idea in Japan which isn't the west.
Software isn't there for the PS5, it's going to end up worse than the PS4 when people thought it would touch the Wii until the 2nd half of the gen when it flamed out.
Next week it's going to shrink again, possibly fall below switch in units, there's nothing to sustain it's sales so it's going to keep shrinking as I said before, and as it's lead continues to decline in percentage rate it's eventually going to fall behind the PS4.
What are people going to buy a PS4 for in the future? Final Fantasy 16? 15 struggled to reach it's ltd over years and barely moved hardware beyond week 2 and that was a big drop from week 1. 16 is also attempting to move away from the jrpg label, which is a bad idea in Japan which isn't the west.
Software isn't there for the PS5, it's going to end up worse than the PS4 when people thought it would touch the Wii until the 2nd half of the gen when it flamed out.
Woopah
Member
The next game which could push PS5 hardware somewhat is RE4, and that comes out very soon.
jm89
Member
Henry you panicking again, calm it.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What about resi 4 next week? Surely that will be huge in Japan?
Not sure if serious? Is this real or sarcasm?
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belmarduk
Member
Yeah, I was thinking the same. That's incredibly disappointing. I thought this series was huge in Japan?
drganon
Member
Cope and seethe.
drganon
Member
Two years? Don't tell me you learned math from the same place as Henry.
Fatal frame 4 sold 75k on the wii and that was the series peak in japan
kazuyamishima
Member
The PS5 is tracking ahead the PS3 by about 200k launch aligned, but at the same time is shrinking, but shrinking is ascending , but in the new world ascending is going down.
It’s selling good even without too much software so with more of it, it will start to decrease, right?
And I’m Enrique from Spain by the way!!
It’s selling good even without too much software so with more of it, it will start to decrease, right?
And I’m Enrique from Spain by the way!!
Henry Panic
Banned
The selling in China part has been a thing for awhile now.
Resident Evil 4 was the worst selling in the series in Japan of the original 6 games and Code Veronica. R4 Remake will have a short reach since there won't be much of a nostalgia factor involved.
Henry Panic
Banned
Fatal Frame has never been huge.
Woopah
Member
Still no top 30 annoyingly
The Resident Evil 2 remake sold 418,236 physically and the Resident Evil 2 remake sold 272,004 physically. I'd expect 4 to end up somewhere between those two numbers.
The Resident Evil 2 remake sold 418,236 physically and the Resident Evil 2 remake sold 272,004 physically. I'd expect 4 to end up somewhere between those two numbers.
Woopah
Member
We've still got to get the Top 30 for last week first!
Things to look out for this week are whether PS5 overtakes Switch for the year, and how Bayonetta Origins does.
TLZ
Banned
I'm being sarcastic, but a good number believe it's real.
I don't like to take away credit/positives from what these consoles are doing in Japan, especially traditional home consoles. It was being repeated they're dying/dead there. Even I thought so too with the measly numbers I saw. I'm very happy they're selling well. I don't want them to die there.
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Henry Panic
Banned
Huh? I assume you meant RE3 remake.
I think you're being optimistic here. Especially given the console and the fact there's not much nostalgia for 4 in Japan.
Of the 7 big RE games, 4 sold the least NGC and PS2 combined.
Tams
Gold Member
I don't usually care to chime in on these 'discussions', but you aren't showing great logic either.
I can only offer anecdotal evidence as my uncle does not work at Nintendo or Sony. But PS5s were hard to come by for a good two years, so there definitely will have been pent up demand. And PS5s have become more readily available over the last few months (for whatever reasons). On top of that though, I can't say I've heard that much about the PS5. If a conversation about gaming comes up here, the Switch or smartphone games are almost always what it is about. People of course know about the PS5, but I don't think a huge number want one.
As to why? Perhaps the price is a bit too high for a lot of Japanese people? I do work with some people who are at the lower end of the economic scale here, and they can just about scrape up enough to get a Switch (or some Lites if it's for a family with several children), but that's about it.
And the Switch sales are declining almost certainly because nearing anyone and their dog who wants a Switch in Japan has one. I think the only market really left for it is the evergreen one of children becoming old enough for their parents to allow them to have a games console.
Kerotan
Member
Why haven't we gotten top 30 yet?
Woopah
Member
Yes sorry I meant RE3. There may be less nostalgia for 4 than 3, but 4 looks like a higher quality game.
No idea unfortunately, my guess is that the person who compiles the data is ill.
Orbital2060
Member
According to Chris1964 its the first time since 2009 that the top30 isnt published.
Nautilus
Banned
The Switch didn't have BC and is going to become the best selling console in Japan.
And for its 7th year on the market, the Switch is doing great.