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Far-right Dutch Politician Finds Islam
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HollovVpo1nt
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This is huge. No offence to islam, but I think this is conspiracy huge.
googleplex
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So would this be like John McCain converting to Islam?
Rhomega Beta
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And thus the conspiracy theorists will continue to claim that Muslims are taking over Denmark.
SquiddyCracker
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I never get people who become Muslims after extensively studying Islam.
I don't get what they see it in, and I've done my fair share of studying of the religion.
*shrug*
I don't get what they see it in, and I've done my fair share of studying of the religion.
*shrug*
More like a Tea Party birther converting to Islam.
shinobi602
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Good for him 
Sye d'Burns
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Wouldn't revert imply that he was returning? I believe the word the article is looking for is convert.
shinobi602
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Just came across the story on Google News and looked for it here on GAF.
Every person is born a Muslim. So, someone who is converting to Islam is reverting.
bonesmccoy
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The article is from a website about Islam, so maybe it's a theology thing? Kind of like those Christians that were posthumously baptizing people into their denomination.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Lol how impressionable is this guy?
Geert says 'look how bad Islam is' and the guy runs to the far-right.
The he has a few discussions with Muslims and reads their holy book and runs to convert to their religion.
Wish I had this guys address, I want to knock on his door and sell him things.
Geert says 'look how bad Islam is' and the guy runs to the far-right.
The he has a few discussions with Muslims and reads their holy book and runs to convert to their religion.
Wish I had this guys address, I want to knock on his door and sell him things.
No, the party this guy belonged to was way more radical. This is more like Robert Spencer converting. Anyways, good to hear =) Reminds me of the Mongols. Destroyed Islamic world, then became Muslims lol
Good for him. I did became an apostate a long time ago. Perhaps I'll re-do it once I'm more famous.
That's true for all religions.
That's true for all religions.
That's The Netherlands, not Denmark.
So Geert Wilders' party is comparable to the Tea Party now? Do you even realize that one of the big reasons Geert Wilders dislikes Islam is because he wants to protect gay and women rights? The guy isn't even religious.
People spout so much dumb shit on this forum. Anti-islamic does not mean far-right bigotted racist. In fact, any secular, sound-thinking individual should be very critical of the religion.
Sye d'Burns
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Goodness.
From a quick wiki search:
Differences on gay rights aside, yes, it sounds very much like the Tea Party.
Stumpokapow
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While it's true that Wilders does not have the Christianist elements of the Tea Party, I don't think Cyan was drawing the comparison to imply that PVV was in all respects equal to the Tea Party. Rather I think his point was that both are xenophobic (immigration-skeptic, loosely nationalist) reactionary populist movements with economically (Lockean) liberal approaches -- in other words, that an equivalence existed on the subject being discussed in the thread, Islam. It speaks to the impossibility of drawing a metaphor across comparative national political lines, of course. Just as Christian Democracy does not have a ready equivalent in the Anglosphere, nor does the PVV.
I suspect, however, that you were not reading his post in good faith to begin with.
It's still a far right party that for example denies climate change. And just like the other far right, islam bashing parties in Europe they don't hate Islam, the other abrahamic religions are just as bad, they just hate muslims.
Edit: I don't know much about Geert's party, but the sister party in Norway (FrP, progress party) opposes same sex marriage.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Many people feel severe social strain between the expectations of modernity and their capacity to fulfill them. For people who feel that, the content of the "answers" they seek is secondary to the fact that they desperately seek an answer. This manifests itself in participation in totalizing movements. You know the old thing about how if a kid was a troubled rebellious youth, send 'em to the army? Religion has the same capacity. Authority, right and wrong behaviours, a key role to play. Islam, literally meaning "submission to God" has one of the most totalizing visions of human behaviour, and thus is especially attractive to people like that.
I remember this unusual video, "Turning Muslim in Texas" from a long time ago. Basically a bunch of evangelicals decide their churches aren't strict enough so they become Muslim.
That the guy was previously interested in reactionary politics is no surprise. Reactionary politics also has the benefit of a simplifying, totalizing vision of society. Clear differentiation between right and wrong.
wonder what Dutch citizens of a muslim background have to say about that.
WorriedCitizen
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That twist kinda reminds me of Horst Mahler who made the switch from left wing terrorism to neonazism. I think ther's something wrong with such a person to begin with. It certainly doesn't come off like the life story of a reasonable and rational thinker.
speculawyer
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Yeah, some people are just so in need of a black & white rule. This good, that bad. No gray areas. And thus they'll seek a system that provides them with harshly delineated answers. Do the answers need to make perfect sense? No. They just need to be clear and with confidence.
This explains the people who convince themselves that "the female body has ways of shutting that thing down" . . . the can't reconcile allowing abortion and forcing rape victims to have their rape assailant's baby, so they go into denial that such a thing can really occur.
Life is just not that simple
Those sound like pretty reasonable stances to have, I don't recall supporting a multicultural society being purely far-right. I sure as hell am not far-right yet I strongly dislike the new multicultural society that is emerging in Europe.
Maybe you should actually take a look at the world around you if you think the other Abrahamic religions are just as bad. Every single country with Islam as it's predominant religion is pretty much horrible. Also, saying they "just hate muslims" is silly. It seems that nobody can seriously criticize Islam anymore without being called a racist, a bigot, or an idiot. That's if you manage to not get killed.
speculawyer
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Yeah, it is pretty scary.
-Love guns
-Hate gays
-Deny evolution
-Ban abortion
-Not fans of birth control or women's rights
-Don't trust atheists
Luckily, they are deeply divided on which holy book to follow or else they'd make a powerfully oppressive coalition.
I'm not sure what your objection is, here. Is it that you view the Tea Party as awful and evil and think the Party for Freedom is neither?
As Stump alludes to above, it was meant more as a relative comparison than direct, though I think it holds up reasonably well as a direct comparison as well.
So being right wing means being disagreeable? It no longer means drawing from the centuries old traditions of liberty and limited government and the works of John Locke, Edmund Burke, William Blackstone and Edward Coke. Such is the cultural ascendency of the left that they've made any reasonable attempt at bona fide debate nearly impossible. I remember an Egyptian journalist talknig about how she despises the Western Right for wanting to ban the burqa, yet she equally detests the Muslim right, who want to impose it on everyone.
According to her, imposing or proscribing the burqa are both right wing positions. Being right wing has become someone who disagrees with the mainstream progressive left and not an actual discrete political position which has a very solid philosophical history and tradition.
According to her, imposing or proscribing the burqa are both right wing positions. Being right wing has become someone who disagrees with the mainstream progressive left and not an actual discrete political position which has a very solid philosophical history and tradition.
The Tea Party consists of some of the dumbest people on the planet, who make choices based on irrational fears, misguided thoughts and religion. This is not the case with Geert Wilders; he has a rational fear based on his experience and knowledge of Islam, having spent alot of time in the Middle-East, etc. Whether you agree with his vision on Islam or not, at least it's based on facts, experience and knowledge. That's a pretty huge difference, at least to a a rational atheist like myself.
Basically, the Tea Party are a bunch of lunatics and Geert Wilders is not. I'm not going to defend the rest of his silly party though.
I have much better reason to hate islam than 99% of PVV voters, but I'm not going to let my personal feelings towards Islam cloud the reality that they're a bunch of xenophobic mouth-breathers. Characterizing them as the dutch version of the Tea Party is 100% apt, they even have their own little version of whinging about "librul media".
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