Support NeoGAF

[Rentahamster]

This thread is in community now? What's the story behind that?

 

[Lostconfused]

You say this is a hub thread but is it really?

All this "Fuck Anime" business is certainly not helpful. Before BBCPEX came out I remember that the Chronophantasma thread had more discussion about news and updates of the game than FGW. I certainly remember random bits and mentions in FGW without any actual detail and news and you had to go to the game OT threads to actually find more detailed and useful information.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

This thread is in community now? What's the story behind that?

Some people said things they shouldn't have said.

 

[vg260]

Subscribed. So, I'll still be lurking, even though I tend to stick to individual game threads.

 

[Ragingnight]

You say this is a hub thread but is it really?

All this "Fuck Anime" business is certainly not helpful. Before BBCPEX came out I remember that the Chronophantasma thread had more discussion about news and updates of the game than FGW.

FGW is more to introduce people to competitive fighting games and its scene in general. I bet you a lot of people learned about Arcana Hearts 3 Love Max due to shadowebb recently. In the past people learned a ton about Persona and the defensive OS meta in Persona.

While yes, individual threads do cover things more in depth. This covers fighting games competitive scene and news, which has things constantly happening.

I mean this is technically a "slow" period after evo, and even then we have new news about rising thunder, KI, SF5, Marvel, Uniel, GG, etc etc.

I mean, soon in a few months we will have the same period of every other week or every month we have a major.

Also as Bish can probably see, FGW does overall serves a more competitive discussion of games in comparison to the threads that get posted in Gaming side (ie R.Mika threads talking about outfits and sexualization).

 

[Rhapsody]

You say this is a hub thread but is it really?

All this "Fuck Anime" business is certainly not helpful. Before BBCPEX came out I remember that the Chronophantasma thread had more discussion about news and updates of the game than FGW. I certainly remember random bits and mentions in FGW without any actual detail and news and you had to go to the game OT threads to actually find more detailed and useful information.

Ignoring the "Fuck Anime" part since that whole thing was stupid, I highly disagree about the rest. BB threads felt more like netplay, casual, and story talk. In FGW, me and others linked a lot of stuff like streams, helping people getting started, tourneys, etc. You'll see posts by Anne linking and discussing the state of the game in Japan, the meta, and also indepth knowledge like OSes and what not.

 

[shaowebb]

iOS is a single platform. Steam is a single platform. PS Vita thread is a single platform.

This thread has multiple platforms, a huge number of different games, and a gigantic variety of events that encompasses it.

The "Fighting Games Community" does not exist. That is the problem. It's a collection of a TON of subcommunities lumped together under a banner. Look at how many people played only 1-2 games at EVO. This is why having a single hub thread for current events is so useful, and why the thread ended up becoming this way in the first place.

Like all the genres of games on Steam and iOS? We can have a single hub thread for current events still even if we do end up staying here in community. I've mentioned how multiple times. Post the normal links and schedule. Put a little banner that says something akin to "Updated weekly" or something along with the date of the last edit or something. Even if you just did it in a thread title for awhile till word got around we can convey that much.

FGC: "Home for up to date current Fighting Game events, streams and news"


Things like this aren't hard to do. Like I said, if we stay its not a death sentence for keeping folks current. It only is if we don't promote ourselves properly or take proper care of the community thread.

If we don't stay then all this is moot save for I think it would be nice to do news breakdowns soon. But if we do stay then we should really take notice of this sort of stuff and realize that we can make it work if we have to.

You say this is a hub thread but is it really?

All this "Fuck Anime" business is certainly not helpful. Before BBCPEX came out I remember that the Chronophantasma thread had more discussion about news and updates of the game than FGW. I certainly remember random bits and mentions in FGW without any actual detail and news and you had to go to the game OT threads to actually find more detailed and useful information.

Agreed. The negativity coming out of here at Anime fighters has always bothered me...especially when you realize the BULK of fighters currently on the market are leaning towards anime titles. How was it ever helping folks get interested in Fighting Games if we shutdown half the potential market? Its why I try to make a point of pushing information whenever I run into it about just what is out there that folks don't hear about because its in an anime fighter. Its exciting and its fun. Sharing things that are fun and exciting in fighting games is what I think people want to tune into the FGW threads in order to find. I doubt it ever made folks happy that like anime and anime fighters to click and see fuck anime gifs and quotes all the time. Discussion thins when you chase people out of conversations simply because you prefer other games. Accepting that FGW may end up talking at length sometimes about games you don't play is part of what having a catch all thread is supposed to support. Not doing that...hurt it.

 

[gutabo]

So if we all agree to behave and not get out of topic we can go back to gaming? Seems like a good deal to me.

 

[kirblar]

You say this is a hub thread but is it really?

All this "Fuck Anime" business is certainly not helpful. Before BBCPEX came out I remember that the Chronophantasma thread had more discussion about news and updates of the game than FGW. I certainly remember random bits and mentions in FGW without any actual detail and news and you had to go to the game OT threads to actually find more detailed and useful information.

Yes, you need to go to the game's OT to get more detailed information, that's how it should be.

I'm all for cutting down on inbred fuckery that goes on for ages.

Like all the genres of games on Steam and iOS?

VITA/PS4/XBOX all have their own threads- platform based threads are a thing, iOS/Steam are just two additional ones.

 

[Karsticles]

So if we all agree to behave and not get out of topic we can go back to gaming? Seems like a good deal to me.

He never said that.

 

[Lostconfused]

Yes, you need to go to the game's OT to get more detailed information, that's how it should be.

Ok let me rephrase that.

Any information.

Because that was the case at the time.

 

[gutabo]

He never said that.

But isn't that the real problem?

And how many of us would like that deal?

 

[Professor Beef]

But isn't that the real problem?

And how many of us would like that deal?

Its not feasible.

 

[Moaradin]

Sad to see this thread go to community. I didn't post very often, but it's been a very helpful resource for finding out what was going on in the FGC for that week. I guess I'll bookmark this thread from now on.

 

[shaowebb]

But isn't that the real problem?

And how many of us would like that deal?

I'm fine either way. But less fuckery, staying open to folks liking Anime thus not turning away potential conversations and trying to promote more news about who is doing what currently to orient new viewers to the scene would all be very good steps no matter where we end up.

 

[kirblar]

Ok let me rephrase that.

Any information.

Because that was the case at the time.

Yes, a fast-moving thread that's focused on current events is not a good idea if you want a deep overview of the next expansion of a game.

 

[shaowebb]

Yes, a fast-moving thread that's focused on current events is not a good idea if you want a deep overview of the next expansion of a game.

I believe he may be referring to how the whole "fuck anime" thing was rampant. You couldn't hear any information on that series if you came here looking for it. Folks shut that community out hard and turned any conversations on it into "anime sucks" tirades. That game and MANY others.

 

[Professor Beef]

Time to ban the anime van

RIP MiniBossBattle

 

[Karsticles]

But isn't that the real problem?

And how many of us would like that deal?

It would be an error in judgment on Bishop's part. We'd never hold to it. Hell, "we don't want to go back to community" would become a running joke.

Maybe it's the teacher in me, but "please just one more chance don't send me to the principal's office" seems like a bad plea to make.

 

[QisTopTier]

Lol has that ever stopped me from posting about BB or GG

Nope, you guys shouldn't take shit like that seriously

 

[call_kotaku]

But to throw a controversial one out there: I think the general quality of threads and posters is much higher on the community side. Community threads are about maintaining close-knit communities, both for good and for ill, as opposed to legions of people trying to get a good joke in on the first page of big thread so they can get quoted for 15 pages. And you know what, I think this thread does better justice to fighting game discussion than any other front page gaming thread because it acts like a community-side thread

If you want visibility and lively discussion then why don't we just all move over to reddit

 

[Professor Beef]

But to throw a controversial one out there: I think the general quality of threads and posters is much higher on the community side. Community threads are about maintaining close-knit communities, both for good and for ill, as opposed to legions of people trying to get a good joke in on the first page of big thread so they can get quoted for 15 pages. And you know what, I think this thread does better justice to fighting game discussion than any other front page gaming thread because it acts like a community-side thread

If you want visibility and lively discussion then why don't we just all move over to reddit

That's not controversial at all.

 

[Rentahamster]

That's not borne out by the actual metrics, GB. There are many Community threads that enjoy massive page views and regularly welcome new blood despite what you're hypothesizing.

You can tell how many of those page views are from newcomers vs. long time participants?

 

[DryEyeRelief]

But to throw a controversial one out there: I think the general quality of threads and posters is much higher on the community side. Community threads are about maintaining close-knit communities, both for good and for ill, as opposed to legions of people trying to get a good joke in on the first page of big thread so they can get quoted for 15 pages. And you know what, I think this thread does better justice to fighting game discussion than any other front page gaming thread because it acts like a community-side thread

If you want visibility and lively discussion then why don't we just all move over to reddit

r fighters is pretty dead

 

[Tripon]

It's here because otherwise the front page would be a sea of popular OTs where news would struggle to exist.

I see this as a news ticket thread that absolutely belongs in Gaming because it's not a long-term thread about a specific title/platform/etc.

Moving this thread into OT seems to be based on having a fundamental misunderstanding of what this thread does.

I agree with that.

I tried to create a thread for both FV Cup (CPT ranking event) and VS Fighting (CPT ranking event) and there was barely 40 posts, most of me was bumping the thread to try to make people aware that certain matches were starting. (Pools, top 8, etc). Most of the actual discussion happened in this thread itself.

I asked the next week if somebody was going to make a Taiwan Fighting Major (CPT ranking event) and somebody replied that most of the discussion would happen in FGW. They were right.

Now, I'll probably make a thread for Summer Jam and whatever else is happening this weekend and consider making a new tournament thread each weekend simply because with FGW in community now, there is a need now for that sort of thing than ever before.

It'll likely only get 10 people posting in the thread, but eh. That's the result of what's happening.

 

[Anne]

It would be an error in judgment on Bishop's part. We'd never hold to it. Hell, "we don't want to go back to community" would become a running joke.

Maybe it's the teacher in me, but "please just one more chance don't send me to the principal's office" seems like a bad plea to make.

Yeah. It'd be a pretty major thing that prolly wouldn't fly, and it'd be hard to actually get anybody to actually follow the rules.

Once it's like this it's like this.

We dont...but you know that many had to. Neither of us give a fuck what people think but many get intimidated by the kind of environments that these threads had at times over anime. It really needs to end no matter where the thread ends up.

It never really got to me but it did get some sighs. Like I'm trying to talk about these games and I like it here cause people tend to be civil and I like the feedback from some of the more casual or still learning about FG stuff, and people gotta come in here and send a signal that's not cool here and they don't speak up. It's really dumb.

 

[shaowebb]

Lol has that ever stopped me from posting about BB or GG

Nope, you guys shouldn't take shit like that seriously

We dont...but you know that many had to. Neither of us give a fuck what people think but many get intimidated by the kind of environments that these threads had at times over anime. It really needs to end no matter where the thread ends up.

 

[PBalfredo]

Does anyone know which twitch channel streamed Smash 4 for EVO 2015? I was out of town that weekend and now I want to watch some Smash 4 with customs, so I'm hoping the past broadcasts are available to watch.

 

[Professor Beef]

I agree with that.

I tried to create a thread for both FV Cup (CPT ranking event) and VS Fighting (CPT ranking event) and there was barely 40 posts, most of me was bumping the thread to try to make people aware that certain matches were starting. (Pools, top 8, etc). Most of the actual discussion happened in this thread itself.

I asked the next week if somebody was going to make a Taiwan Fighting Major (CPT ranking event) and somebody replied that most of the discussion would happen in FGW. They were right.

Now, I'll probably make a thread for Summer Jam and whatever else is happening this weekend and consider making a new tournament thread each weekend simply because with FGW in community now, there is a need now for that sort of thing than ever before.

It'll likely only get 10 people posting in the thread, but eh. That's the result of what's happening.

Out of curiosity, what times were those event taking place? Because despite an event being a CPT ranking event, GAF is still a US-centric board.

 

[Beckx]

Does anyone know which twitch channel streamed Smash 4 for EVO 2015? I was out of town that weekend and now I want to watch some Smash 4 with customs, so I'm hoping the past broadcasts are available to watch.

Pools were SRKEVO4, and finals were SRKEVO1

The full stream schedule is still here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4bVNTOgaOvySGtnLThpcEZpc2lJTXZBY2pHd2hvUWJSWWhv/view

 

[notworksafe]

Smash 4 isn't in the past broadcasts of srkevo4 though. Maybe they got archived on a youtube somewhere?

 

[Nyoro SF]

We dont...but you know that many had to. Neither of us give a fuck what people think but many get intimidated by the kind of environments that these threads had at times over anime. It really needs to end no matter where the thread ends up.

Um... I hope you understand that the whole "Fuck Anime" thing was a joke. The same posters were reminiscing over stuff like Yu Yu Hakusho and whatnot. I think shopping Sailor Moon's face on a wrecked 18-wheeler should've been a dead giveaway? Besides, you hardly see that anymore, if ever.

In this very thread we had discussion regarding the Guilty Gear character vote. Hell we even shifted into GGXrdR potential character implementation and how to classify anime games as a genre by Karst.

I'm not sure where this alternate reality where anime discussion got consistently shut down came from. I freely posted anime stuff all the time without a problem and I felt like anyone that wanted to could too.

And besides, Shouta's a great moderator that kept things

Spoiler

Yams

in line when they rarely got too far.

 

[Kadey]

Shin says he gets banned and thread moves to community.

 

[QisTopTier]

Shin says he gets banned and thread moves to community.

Probably shouldn't keep speaking for a banned person

 

[Tripon]

Out of curiosity, what times were those event taking place? Because despite an event being a CPT ranking event, GAF is still a US-centric board.

FV Cup was in Malaysia. FV Fighting was in the UK. And Taiwan Major was in Taiwan. Most of the US were sleeping during FV Cup and the Taiwan Major, true. But they had the best competition, and the youtube videos went up quickly after the event. But there was still little discussion outside this thread.

In my opinion, there's no excuse for people not paying attention to the FV Fighting though. The UK is only 4 hours ahead of the east coast, and 7 hours ahead of the west coast, so the majority of U.S. posters would have been awake for at least some part of the tournament. And FV Fighting had MKX, Smash Wii U, and Guilty Gear Xrd, among other games. And still little to no discussion in the thread made for it.

We'll see with Summer Jam since that's the biggest major since Evo in the U.S. it's sort of the kick off to the 2nd FGC events until Capcom Cup. I doubt that there'll be much discussion though if FV Cup, and VS Fighting thread is any indication.

 

[Beckx]

Did evo do the thing again where if you didn't subscribe for evo you didn't get access to archives?

 

[notworksafe]

Did evo do the thing again where if you didn't subscribe for evo you didn't get access to archives?

Not sure, some stuff from this year is still up on most of the channels but a lot is just missing

 

[Tripon]

Did evo do the thing again where if you didn't subscribe for evo you didn't get access to archives?

Evo archives are free and in source. Capcom Fighters also put up the entire day of their footage on their youtube channel. Evo also put every top 8 on their youtube channel.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Who are exciting for next reveal for SFV? I heard that we are going to get something news in two weeks?

 

[SolarPowered]

Lol has that ever stopped me from posting about BB or GG

Nope, you guys shouldn't take shit like that seriously

Some days are rough around here.

We dont...but you know that many had to. Neither of us give a fuck what people think but many get intimidated by the kind of environments that these threads had at times over anime. It really needs to end no matter where the thread ends up.

I can recall a particular time I almost stopped posting in here and this was like less than four months ago. Some new people would have a rough time adjusting to the "jokey" atmosphere in here.

Time to ban the anime van

RIP MiniBossBattle

Anime van is funny enough now.

 

[Tripon]

Who are exciting for next reveal for SFV? I heard that we are going to get something news in two weeks?

3 weeks. Tokyo Game Show is on 09/17-09/20.

 

[Professor Beef]

FV Cup was in Malaysia. FV Fighting was in the UK. And Taiwan Major was in Taiwan. Most of the US were sleeping during FV Cup and the Taiwan Major, true. But they had the best competition, and the youtube videos went up quickly after the event. But there was still little discussion outside this thread.

In my opinion, there's no excuse for people not paying attention to the FV Fighting though. The UK is only 4 hours ahead of the east coast, and 7 hours ahead of the west coast, so the majority of U.S. posters would have been awake for at least some part of the tournament. And FV Fighting had MKX, Smash Wii U, and Guilty Gear Xrd, among other games. And still little to no discussion in the thread made for it.

We'll see with Summer Jam since that's the biggest major since Evo in the U.S. it's sort of the kick off to the 2nd FGC events until Capcom Cup. I doubt that there'll be much discussion though if FV Cup, and VS Fighting thread is any indication.

There's no fucking way I'm gonna stay up until 3-4 am for a tournament stream, let alone discuss it on GAF. You gotta be kidding.

 

[PBalfredo]

Found the Day 2 of Smash 4 on srkevo1, thanks. They didn't label their videos very well. Though..

Smash 4 isn't in the past broadcasts of srkevo4 though. Maybe they got archived on a youtube somewhere?

Yeah, I'm not seeing the pools either. So if anyone knows where they might be archived, that would be appreciated.

 

[Kumubou]

I think part of the issue is that the way the greater fighting game community works is kind of peculiar in the scope of this forum. Sure, most people don't cross over to a ton of games but it's still far more common than it is in most other genres. That and it partially happens out of necessity -- a lot of these games and their communities are too small to really stand on their own otherwise. So if the thread is going to exist in Community from now on, I don't really see it being an issue that it operates a bit different from most gaming OTs. It's fitting, in a way.

We dont...but you know that many had to. Neither of us give a fuck what people think but many get intimidated by the kind of environments that these threads had at times over anime. It really needs to end no matter where the thread ends up.

It's still not nearly as bad as the crap you would get for posting about something like Eternal Fighter Zero or Melty Blood on the oooooooold SRK forums... but that doesn't make it acceptable.

 

[IntelliHeath]

3 weeks. Tokyo Game Show is on 09/17-09/20.

https://twitter.com/Yoshi_OnoChin/status/636939418494828544

He made few tweets about Dubai. I presume that it might be a time for Rachid reveal.

 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Yoshi_OnoChin/status/636939418494828544

He made few tweets about Dubai. I presume that it might be a time for Rachid reveal.

Ah, I see.

Also, R. Mika tag is the 7 colored bomber.

 

[direct_quote]

Who are exciting for next reveal for SFV? I heard that we are going to get something news in two weeks?

Urien for a treat.

 

[shaowebb]

Some days are rough around here.

I can recall a particular time I almost stopped posting in here and this was like less than four months ago. Some new people would have a rough time adjusting to the "jokey" atmosphere in here.

Anime van is funny enough now.

Same. I disappeared for a pretty long while. Stayed on Test Your Might mainly. Even if its "jokey" it still effectively shut out any conversations fast that were happening on various titles. Some games would just get mocked out of the main conversations "jokingly" till folks could go back to talking about non anime fighters. Honestly this used to be the way Smash Bros was treated too up until around when it competed with Skullgirls to get back into EVO with a fund raising race and the resurgence hit.

 

[Xevren]

NRS is going to have a stream on Monday talking about the upcoming patch for anyone interested.

 

[QisTopTier]

Same. I disappeared for a pretty long while. Stayed on Test Your Might mainly. Even if its "jokey" it still effectively shut out any conversations fast that were happening on various titles. Some games would just get mocked out of the main conversations "jokingly" till folks could go back to talking about non anime fighters. Honestly this used to be the way Smash Bros was treated too up until around when it competed with Skullgirls to get back into EVO with a fund raising race and the resurgence hit.

well I mean that was mostly miniboss, karst, beef, and gb at times. It becomes easy to learn who to ignore fast when it comes to certain topics. And they pretty much shaped up about it