Support NeoGAF

[Kikujiro]

Yeah so does Viper. "But it takes execution!" usually isn't much of an excuse for being bullshit. Akuma too.

Viper is not comparable to Gen, not every technical character is the same, why are there so many Vipers and few to none Gens?

 

[MiniBossBattle]

Buff the Avengers.
Thor and Iron man need love too.

 

[QisTopTier]

Viper is not comparable to Gen, not every technical character is the same, why are there so many Vipers and few to none Gens?

Viper is very basic compared to gen, Viper is more of a technical input character. She's derpy outside of that.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Let's tweet capcom to get them to patch link into soul calibur

 

[GuardianE]

Viper is very basic compared to gen, Viper is more of a technical input character. She's derpy outside of that.

Also, she's a sexy female spy and Gen is an old dude.

 

[Lost Fragment]

Viper is not comparable to Gen, not every technical character is the same, why are there so many Vipers and few to none Gens?

They're both execution-heavy mixup characters, only Gen's pressure is slightly less derp and his approach is way less derp.

 

[LordJim]

I hope you're right but let's be real: Marvel by far has the most people complaining about this or that character/assist/super/whatever being too strong/weak. How coudln't it? It's a game full of unorthodox combinations and possibilities in which one-hit character kills happen with regularity. Opening the floodgates to suggestions from all these people just seems like a bad idea to me.

I do not see how can it be worse from what we saw with SF4 where tons of people made for the most part shitty or irrelevant suggestions and whined about most characters .
And far too many people, top players included still complain about the balance.
It will be the same shit.
You will have to find the few gems amongst hundreds of shitty posts and get some top players opinions and test it out.
I see nothing special in this situation that makes it worse than what already happened

 

[Brobzoid]

Also, she's a sexy female spy and Gen is an old dude.

Am I misremembering or did capcom (seth killian at the time?) answer questions about why gen looked so fucked up by referring people to the upcoming Street Fighter film starring the woman from Smallville? Did I dream that?

 

[kirblar]

They're both execution-heavy mixup characters, only Gen's pressure is slightly less derp and his approach is way less derp.

It's much the same way that although Sakura and Cammy are both obnoxious characters, Sakura's much less infuriating.

 

[LordJim]

Viper is not comparable to Gen, not every technical character is the same, why are there so many Vipers and few to none Gens?

Because people realized Viper was good in late Super and remained good.
People buried Gen for dead in Super and only at the end of AE/start of 2012 did they start to think he may not suck.
Far too many people still play their Super mains, especially in the US.

 

[Infinite]

It's much the same way that although Sakura and Cammy are both obnoxious characters, Sakura's much less infuriating.

But this is comparing how technically demanding the characters are which should have nothing to do when making considerations to game balance.

 

[fader]

Question, what can they do to make USF4 a less vortex hevay game? like what made 3rd strike not a vortex heay game?

 

[soakrates]

Viper is one of the worst things about SF4 and I will root against her no matter what.

 

[Astarte]

Let's add a block button in street fighter to remove cross ups, people will stop complaining about them.

 

[LordJim]

Question, what can they do to make USF4 a less vortex hevay game? like what made 3rd strike not a vortex heay game?

Aside from parries?
Adjusting wake-ip timing with button presses, rolls,Harder/impossible to end combos in hard knockdowns that allow set-ups for 'problematic' characters.

 

[jbug617]

Question, what can they do to make USF4 a less vortex hevay game? like what made 3rd strike not a vortex heay game?

ability to delay wake up timing or rolls.

 

[Skab]

Its funny how different gafs opinion of changes is compared to FGC people on twitter.

 

[QisTopTier]

Question, what can they do to make USF4 a less vortex hevay game? like what made 3rd strike not a vortex heay game?

LOL what? Did we play different 3rd strikes?

 

[Sir Garbageman]

They screwed up the contacts and didn't include balance patches in them.

Imagine you are marvel and Capcom nerfed all your characters to shit, especially the one about to appear in a movie. At the same time they buff the Capcom ones so they get all the play time. You'd probably want to have something to say about that.

thanks!

 

[fader]

LOL what? Did we play different 3rd strikes?

I dont know im a 11er

 

[JDdelphin]

FChamp: "They should find a way to buff Ryu so Daigo can still win."

They should find a way to buff Dhalsim so Champ could make top 32

 

[Rentahamster]

So much for Marvel "never ever ever" getting patched. Let the crow feast begin!

 

[QisTopTier]

I dont know im a 11er

There were some extremely extreamely vortex heavy characters in 3s just not in the sf4 sense, it revolved around mid air resets or unblockable set ups

 

[MrDaravon]

Fucking dying over here at gonzo's 3 page response to Karst as to why his changes suck, but he is apparently so poverty that he doesn't have a GAF account.

oh god I just realized we've never seen both of them at the same together, fuck

 

[JDdelphin]

Fucking dying over here at gonzo's 3 page response to Karst as to why his changes suck, but he is apparently so poverty that he doesn't have a GAF account.

oh god I just realized we've never seen both of them at the same together, fuck

Wow, three pages?

 

[MrDaravon]

Wow, three pages?

https://twitter.com/honzogonzo/status/358395148159303682

For all I know he's right (outside of a few things that are super obvious to everyone I don't know nearly enough about the game on the frame/data level to make legitimate suggestions), it just still cracks me up.

 

[kirblar]

Fucking dying over here at gonzo's 3 page response to Karst as to why his changes suck, but he is apparently so poverty that he doesn't have a GAF account.

oh god I just realized we've never seen both of them at the same together, fuck

And no link? What's wrong with you!

edit: thank you!

 

[Anth0ny]

give wolverine his berderper slash back

keep morrigan the same

 

[Rentahamster]

gonzo putting gaf on blast.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

And no link? What's wrong with you!

already heard enough of that in the soul calibur thread

 

[MrDaravon]

already heard enough of that in the soul calibur thread

"balance patch" is actually code for "porting vanilla MvC3 to Wii U."

 

[Azure J]

Fucking dying over here at gonzo's 3 page response to Karst as to why his changes suck, but he is apparently so poverty that he doesn't have a GAF account.

oh god I just realized we've never seen both of them at the same together, fuck

I'm still wondering why I can't get this to download, I'm curious as all hell now. :lol

 

[kirblar]

already heard enough of that in the soul calibur thread

lololol

 

[soakrates]

gonzo putting gaf on blast.

Link?

EDIT: I SCROLL GUD NOW

 

[fader]

Aside from parries?
Adjusting wake-ip timing with button presses, rolls,Harder/impossible to end combos in hard knockdowns that allow set-ups for 'problematic' characters.

rolls? in Street Fighter? would that work?

 

[MrDaravon]

I'm still wondering why I can't get this to download, I'm curious as all hell now. :lol

It should be viewable without downloading, you may need to whitelist the page on your adblocker or equivalent.

 

[LordJim]

rolls? in Street Fighter? would that work?

SFxT has rolls.
Can roll in one direction only, Punishable by throws, and you cannot do reversals. Only block.
Works quite well

 

[Kikujiro]

Because people realized Viper was good in late Super and remained good.
People buried Gen for dead in Super and only at the end of AE/start of 2012 did they start to think he may not suck.
Far too many people still play their Super mains, especially in the US.

That's because Gen requires too much effort, a lot of people switched to Fei or Cammy (or Yun during AE). I'm completely against nerfing a character who requires so much work to be good, the only person who won tournaments with Gen is Xian. Like I said, buff the other characters, leave Gen as he is.

 

[LordJim]

That's because Gen requires too much effort, a lot of people switched to Fei or Cammy (or Yun during AE). I'm completely against nerfing a character who requires so much work to be good, the only person who won tournaments with Gen is Xian. Like I said, buff the other characters, leave Gen as he is.

Technical requirements should not be parrt of balance..
Far too few people actually switched characters in AE like Yun and Fei(Yang was better btw). Japan rode the train easily since they jumped to AE from Vanilla Arcade that had like 15 characters.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Damn, Gonzo ether'd Karsticles

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Jay Snyder ‏@JayViscant 26m
Would people like a full blog write up of changes I would make to Marvel? Because I'm all hot and (theoretically) bothered right now.

Jay Snyder ‏@JayViscant 11m
Ok you guys win. After work today I'll take a break from packing/moving and get started on writing that!

 

[Frantic]

Jay Snyder ‏@JayViscant 26m
Would people like a full blog write up of changes I would make to Marvel? Because I'm all hot and (theoretically) bothered right now.

Jay Snyder ‏@JayViscant 11m
Ok you guys win. After work today I'll take a break from packing/moving and get started on writing that!

Aawwww yeeeaaaah! Now I'm hyped!

 

[call_kotaku]

So is this just another "so you're saying there's a chance?" situation? I mean, I assume that their license won't allow them to release additional content/characters, so how would this even work financially? They can't reasonably charge money for a balance update and there isn't any new revenue coming in from the game because everyone who would've bought it already has (and traded it back in to gamestop).

Maybe Sven was the one preventing them from patching the game!

 

[number47]

No one asks why Capcom made Ducktales remasterd. Capcom making a Disney game......

 

[SloaneRisette]

Jay Snyder ‏@JayViscant 26m
Would people like a full blog write up of changes I would make to Marvel? Because I'm all hot and (theoretically) bothered right now.

Jay Snyder ‏@JayViscant 11m
Ok you guys win. After work today I'll take a break from packing/moving and get started on writing that!

Viscant writing about Marvel is the best.

 

[Kalamari]

No one asks why Capcom made Ducktales remasterd. Capcom making a Disney game......

Hmm, does this mean that negotiating a contract with Marvel could be easier than in the past? How hands-on is Disney with respect to Marvel properties?

 

[MrDaravon]

I'm not even going to link all of them, but honzo is continuing to go fucking in on GAF-suggested changes lol. Someone get a mod to approve an account for him!

 

[panthapanda]

Please buff tronbonne. Please capcom!

 

[SolarPowered]

I'm not even going to link all of them, but honzo is continuing to go fucking in GAF-suggested changes lol. Someone get a mod to approve an account for him!

For drama or for constructive conversation?

 

[Dahbomb]

Gonzo thought we were buffing XF when in fact we were nerfing it.

Get sober Gonzo.