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[Huw_Dawson]

I disagree. It will take Capcom becoming involved as a partner for providing continual support for games and promoting competition.

Which they are doing now, to a good extent.


The problem with Capcom is that they were slow out of the gate after SF4 came out, but experiences like SF25 I think show that they have learned a lot in the past few years. A new main SF title would get the masses very excited, especially if it exploited the graphical capability that the new gen has.

 

[SolarPowered]

Yeah, Karsticles has the right idea. We already got SFIV and we saw where that took the Capcom scene. You'll need more than next gen hadouken particles to grow the beast.

Everyone needs to contribute to the pot for the stuff you guys are talking about. Capcom is not big enough on their own and they've had especially hard times as of late. Growing the beast that is the FGC goes beyond the Capcom centric view that MLG and most FGC people are considering.

I disagree. It will take Capcom becoming involved as a partner for providing continual support for games and promoting competition.

Which will only matter for Capcom games.

 

[Karsticles]

Would it be better or worse if fighting game netcode got good enough for regular online tournaments?

Which will only matter for Capcom games.

Short-sighted. As Capcom demonstrates the economic feasibility, other companies will follow suit. Capcom is just has to lead the way.

 

[irfaanator]

Would it be better or worse if fighting game netcode got good enough for regular online tournaments?


Short-sighted. As Capcom demonstrates the economic feasibility, other companies will follow suit. Capcom is just has to lead the way.

I definitely think better netcode can lead to more money into a game. Online tournaments can become a valid way to hold one and can really allow people who can't make it out to regular tournies have a shot at winning some money

 

[SolarPowered]

Would it be better or worse if fighting game netcode got good enough for regular online tournaments?

What's the negative?

Short-sighted. As Capcom demonstrates the economic feasibility, other companies will follow suit. Capcom is just has to lead the way.

It's gotta be anyone with the money to actually do it. Namco and Netherrealm are just as good for it.

Spoiler

in b4 Tekken is boring or too complex or something

 

[Karsticles]

What's the negative?

IRL tournaments become devalued, less of a "community".

It's gotta be anyone with the money to actually do it. Namco and Netherrealm are just as good for it.

We'll see.

 

[Dahbomb]

I disagree. It will take Capcom becoming involved as a partner for providing continual support for games and promoting competition.

And bingo was his name-o. Capcom needs to set up its own tournaments and leagues with solid pay outs for the FG genre to grow.

 

[SolarPowered]

Online tournaments are okay so long as we can restrict it to our continent or region. International stuff is looking for trouble with anything on the line.

IRL tournaments become devalued, less of a "community".

IRL tournaments are more about the personalities than anything else. People will tune in and go for the experience, Floefaces and Chris G salt.

 

[smurfx]

Spooky prolly knows more than you and i

why the hell would spooky know more about microsoft's drm than anybody here?

 

[FlyFaster]

are the finals for Dreamhack going to be on the same armshouse page when it comes back up?

 

[Karsticles]

IRL tournaments are more about the personality than anything else. People will tune in and go for the experience, Floefaces and Chris G salt.

I disagree. IRL tournaments provide a lot of things an online tournament doesn't:
1) Viewing fluidity. I can watch 2-3 matches and check different stuff out.
2) Game exposure. I'm playing Marvel, but out of the corner of my eye I see two people playing Dive Kick and laughing. I decide to walk over and try that game for free.
3) Relationship expansion - obvious; laughing about a game over a mic isn't the same as doing it in person.
4) Memory building - even with streams, we're watching people play IRL and enjoy that. Most of the stuff we all laugh about here is visually-based.
5) Event diversity. "Mystery tournaments" are simply not possible through an online tournament format.

I think this is all important stuff that gets left out of the online format. That's not to say the online format is bad, but it has some serious disadvantages.

 

["God's Beard!"]

IRL tournaments aren't about the personalities at all. They're about meeting people with the same hobby as you and making friends.

And sidebets.

 

[alstein]

Would it be better or worse if fighting game netcode got good enough for regular online tournaments?


Short-sighted. As Capcom demonstrates the economic feasibility, other companies will follow suit. Capcom is just has to lead the way.

It would improve the level of play at tournaments- as lag abuse would become less effective.
That said, Tekken players complain about TTT2 netcode, so no netcode will ever be accepted entirely.

 

[SolarPowered]

I disagree. IRL tournaments provide a lot of things an online tournament doesn't:
1) Viewing fluidity. I can watch 2-3 matches and check different stuff out.
2) Game exposure. I'm playing Marvel, but out of the corner of my eye I see two people playing Dive Kick and laughing. I decide to walk over and try that game for free.
3) Relationship expansion - obvious; laughing about a game over a mic isn't the same as doing it in person.
4) Memory building - even with streams, we're watching people play IRL and enjoy that. Most of the stuff we all laugh about here is visually-based.
5) Event diversity. "Mystery tournaments" are simply not possible through an online tournament format.

I think this is all important stuff that gets left out of the online format. That's not to say the online format is bad, but it has some serious disadvantages.

I was mostly talking about the spectator perspective since that is what most people are acquainted with here.

All that stuff you listed is massively important and a big part of the tournament experience for people who actually go to them. That is why they'll endure. They're not gonna pull an arcade scene on us.

 

[KingItachi]

Lol

Any time your name pops up, its on acct of some lame thing you did or said. Is getting pouty part of a comm managers job?

Maybe you should've said hi to arturo and attempt to build a bridge instead of burn it.

If he does not want to deal with Art, why should he go out of his way to speak to him.

 

[Seasoned Badger]

Where and when are they going to show the Dreamhack AE top 4?

 

[Karsticles]

It would improve the level of play at tournaments- as lag abuse would become less effective.
That said, Tekken players complain about TTT2 netcode, so no netcode will ever be accepted entirely.

Skullgirls netcode = pristine.

I was mostly talking about the spectator perspective since that is what most people are acquainted with here.

All that stuff you listed is massively important and a big part of the tournament experience.

A lot of it is part of the spectator perspective, too, though. I think most of my list applies to people in a spectator position as well.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Isn't part of the allure of MOBAs and Starcraft that any random joe can grind his way up the ladder rankings from the comfort of his home and get himself a contract? Fighting games don't really work that way.

 

[Passive Assassin]

Isn't part of the allure of MOBAs and Starcraft that any random joe can grind his way up the ladder rankings from the comfort of his home and get himself a contract? Fighting games don't really work that way.

But online warriors

 

[Karsticles]

Isn't part of the allure of MOBAs and Starcraft that any random joe can grind his way up the ladder rankings from the comfort of his home and get himself a contract? Fighting games don't really work that way.

I was just getting into competitive fighting games when this happened, but didn't Wolfkrone get his first big win in the Street Fighter online tournament?

I also have no idea how the MOBA/Starcraft stuff works. I'll gladly be educated.

 

[kirblar]

Isn't part of the allure of MOBAs and Starcraft that any random joe can grind his way up the ladder rankings from the comfort of his home and get himself a contract? Fighting games don't really work that way.

Yup. FGs having such short rounds makes those sort of matchmaking systems very difficult.

 

[Malice215]

Capcom needs to set up its own tournaments and leagues with solid pay outs for the FG genre to grow.

Capcom paid out $500K+ for SF25 last year. Where's the growth from that?

All someone needs to do is make a game that's insanely popular and the rest will follow.

Also the Dreamhack AE Finals are on.

http://www.twitch.tv/armshouse

 

[SolarPowered]

A lot of it is part of the spectator perspective, too, though. I think most of my list applies to people in a spectator position as well.

Sure

Streams hit 20k+ all the time nowadays. It attracts all sorts of people who watch for different reasons.

 

[Clawww]

Whatever happened to all dat NoS sponsorship? =(

 

[KingItachi]

Capcom paid out $500K+ for SF25 last year. Where's the growth from that?

All someone needs to do is make a game that's insanely popular and the rest will follow.

Also the Dreamhack AE Finals are on.

http://www.twitch.tv/armshouse

The growth will come in another 25 years Malice. Lets go Infiltration.

 

[Passive Assassin]

Infiltration and who? infiltration in winners?

 

[Malice215]

The growth will come in another 25 years Malice. Lets go Infiltration.

I've already been playing fighting games for 25 years. I'll probably be dead by the time that happens. But then again, I'm not trying to make a career out of a hobby.

 

[TheChits]

Oh man this match is hype

 

[Clawww]

damn dog, ryan's yun got bitchslapped by infilryu

 

[TheChits]

Dammit Native Impact ;_;

 

[Juicebox_FGC]

More KOF13.

Ryo video is up:

http://youtu.be/FRpaSezX5YI

 

[Grecco]

Super Turbo is the greatest SF game .

 

[Kikujiro]

Ryan always takes the worst decision. Picking Cammy over your main.

 

[Grecco]

why the hell would spooky know more about microsoft's drm than anybody here?

Prolly cause hes talked to developers vs forum "insiderz:

 

[call_kotaku]

Riot hasn't proven the long-term viability or really feasibility for companies completely subsidizing a competitive scene for its games. They have the money to spare right now but we've yet to see how it all shakes out, and Blizzard jumping into the fray because of community pressure has been a mixed bag so far, and might've actually come at the cost of GOMtv memberships which were the only consistent revenue earner in that community as far as I know.

Asking Capcom to subsidize the community is definitely premature and really not practical. For all the effort Capcom put into SF25, how much did giving Infiltration a car really help either Capcom or the community as a whole? If Capcom has that sort of money they should put it into QA for their next fighting game, it'll probably be better value for their money all things considered.

 

[KingItachi]

I've already been playing fighting games for 25 years. I'll probably be dead by the time that happens. But then again, I'm not trying to make a career out of a hobby.

I hear you, but we still gonna need you around for that Windjammer hype.

Prolly cause hes talked to developers vs forum "insiderz:

I will never look to him for any console info, GAF insiders all day every day.

 

[K.Sabot]

LOSIN MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN---

 

[Kikujiro]

Infiltration downloaded Daigo to use his Ryu.

 

[kirblar]

LOSIN MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN---

I wish Ryan Hart were in GFs so we could see him go off on the AV staff there.

 

[TheChits]

Marvel is on at GUTS 2

 

[Masaki_]

Speaking of Twitch, decided to cancel my Turbo thingie today. I believed in Twitch and wanted to support this business model and they reward me with laggy streams every time there's a major event like Dreamhack or even GUTS. Sick and tired of this:

It's not my damn fault, stop showing me this message and get your shit together.

I strongly encourage streamers to try other websites like UStream. Twitch needs competition, since subscriptions aren't enough of an incentive to guarantee a good service.

 

[Karsticles]

Frank Best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCq--SE2Ayc

 

[Parallax Scroll]

more like infreetration

 

[irfaanator]

LOOOSE MY MIND. Infiltration lost

 

[Seasoned Badger]

Infiltration saving his shit for EVO.

 

[K.Sabot]

LOSE MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND

Infil had no intention of winning that, obviously.

This is just prep for Daigo.

 

[KLonso]

LOOOSE MY MIIIIND

 

[KingItachi]

Damn he got bodied.

 

[kirblar]

Infiltration saving his shit for EVO.

Definitely felt like that to me- looked like he was treating this like an extended playtest session.

 

[Grecco]

Infiltration was sandbaging for the moneymatch