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[Busaiku]

Nintendo vs Capcom
Mega Man (not that lame X) in Super Smash Bros

BELIEVE

 

[xCobalt]

I don't think we're gonna get anything fighting game related from Capcom this year, and if we do, we'd probably see it at Evo, at least I would think.

From Capcom we'll probably see like, Deep Down (aka Dragon's Dogma 2) and, well, who knows what else, lol.

Agreed. The only thing I'm expecting this year is the new patch for sf4 and Ono asking fans to wave their $50 bills in the air for darkstalkers

 

[Dahbomb]

Pretty Panda please post the response here as well when you link a tweet. I don't want to click and go to an extra page just to see if a random tweet is relevant to the discussion or not.

Especialy when it's a 5 word quote.

 

[SloaneRisette]

Nintendo vs Capcom
Mega Man (not that lame X) in Super Smash Bros

BELIEVE

I want to believe ;_;

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

rip in peace smash bros at E3

 

[Passive Assassin]

Filthie Rich leaving Namco. He pushed a lot for the FGC when it came to bringing cabs to events and pot bonuses. Good luck to him in his next job.

Whoa...

 

[Lost Fragment]

If there are any Capcpom fighters at E3 it'll probably be SF4 2013 yeah. I think just the fact that they're still updating that game means that they're not going to do any new fighters until next gen.

I wanna see REboot, but I doubt that'll happen either =/

 

[Beckx]

rip in peace smash bros at E3

I am awaiting the second apocalyptic, Bayonetta-related GAF meltdown when's she's announced for SMASH at E3.

 

[Tik-Tok]

Of course not. But that didn't stop people from talking about gender issues on his show. Same thing with the UFGT discussion. He said at the beginning of the show that if you have anything to say about the issue, positive or negative, you're welcome on the show.

That's akin to saying "Come to my Klan rally and tell us what you have to say about your experience with racial bigotry"

 

[CrazyTank940]

E3 is a couple weeks, what fighting games are people expecting there?

I think we will see more of GG Xrd plus that other new ASW game.

On Capcom's front I always have MINIMUM expectations from that company. I don't even think we will see the new AE patch at E3, it's probably being saved for EVO.

I expect Tekken vs SF trailer to be there. It will probably be next gen because I see no point in releasing it this late.

Microsoft may have Killer Instinct 3 but if it's in anyway related to Kinect it will get shit support from the FGC. KI will just be banking on people's nostalgia and early console gen life cycle to get some easy sales.

Then there's Bloody Roar.. lololol

I doubt we'll get any Xrd, as cool as that'd be. We'll probably get something Chronophantasma before we get Xrd. I'll agree on Capcom. Maybe on TxSF trailer, but at this point I'd agree on next gen. KI3 could make sense because I doubt Microsoft would have gone through all of that trouble to get the trademark again just to sit on it, and MS said they're gonna bring back an old IP.

A new Bloody Roar is HL3 tier olo

 

[fader]

lol

This Fray is pretty good. They're talking about the money discussion that's come up recently with players and TOs.

Yea That episode of The Fray was good. I gave it another listen this morning.

I don't get why players are complaiing about TO's "ripping them off". Don't they know that there isnt even any money to steal in the first place?

 

[Beckx]

Yea That episode of The Fray was good. I gave it another listen this morning.

I don't get why players are complaiing about TO's "ripping them off". Don't they know that there isnt even any money to steal in the first place?

Jebailey was (in his way) trying to point that out yesterday, but I don't think the people complaining were listening.

 

[Warpticon]

Yea That episode of The Fray was good. I gave it another listen this morning.

I don't get why players are complaiing about TO's "ripping them off". Don't they know that there isnt even any money to steal in the first place?

They believe that TOs are pocketing 30k and up per tourney, so apparently not.

 

[xCobalt]

They believe that TOs are pocketing 30k and up per tourney, so apparently not.

I bet John Nelson is their source.

Btw, who's 'they'? I only saw Flash talk about it on twitter.

 

[SloaneRisette]

The people who do complain won't listen even if they have verified accounts of the money that went into the tournament and the TO's personal profit

Just look at what JamesMK did when the Cannon Bros. released the letter from the donation drive.

 

[mephixto]

They believe that TOs are pocketing 30k and up per tourney, so apparently not.

I don't know if its possible to become rich for doing an event once a year.

 

[gutabo]

Shady K starts an interesting exchange regarding TOs and money.

And we need stuff like this in the community(outside too!). Manly tears were shed.

 

[CurlyW]

Until Keits shows me the receipts, I will continue to believe that he was born in Kenya.

 

[SloaneRisette]

Until Keits shows me the receipts, I will continue to believe that he was born in Kenya.

This is the real controversy right here, forget how much money they make.

We need birth certificates.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

In the spirit of the French Open currently going on, what would you say is the equivalent of the Grand Slam for FGCs?

The general public knows that other tennis tournaments exist but unless they're diehards they rarely tune in to anything asides from the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open.

As far as the general public is concerned, the FGC has EVO, and, well, EVO. Maybe Dreamhack for Europeans and SBO (rip) for the Japanese.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

In the spirit of the French Open currently going on, what would you say is the equivalent of the Grand Slam for FGCs?

The general public knows that other tennis tournaments exist but unless they're diehards they rarely tune in to anything asides from the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open.

As far as the general public is concerned, the FGC has EVO, and, well, EVO. Maybe Dreamhack for Europeans and SBO (rip) for the Japanese.

EVO
UFGT
Final Round
NCR

 

[sleepykyo]

In the spirit of the French Open currently going on, what would you say is the equivalent of the Grand Slam for FGCs?

The general public knows that other tennis tournaments exist but unless they're diehards they rarely tune in to anything asides from the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open.

As far as the general public is concerned, the FGC has EVO, and, well, EVO. Maybe Dreamhack for Europeans and SBO (rip) for the Japanese.

That would be quite the grand slam.

 

[soakrates]

Online VF5:FS session with top east coast players including Gentleman Thief, Rodnutz and Tricky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfrhsA6xMA

 

[fader]

If you are a sponsored player, and you Top in every single tournament and you are not working a job. Should'nt you complain to your Sponsor about geting more money?
I dont know, maybe its just me, but sponsors are suppose to take care of you and if you are really struggling financially, find a job or renegotiate your contract.

 

[Enordash]

KI3 could make sense because I doubt Microsoft would have gone through all of that trouble to get the trademark again just to sit on it, and MS said they're gonna bring back an old IP.

This would be a good way to ensure a burst of sales of the Xbox One and perhaps even a wave of new sticks (if the rumor about 360 peripherals not working with the One are true). I'm not feeling too positive about Microsoft's commitment to the hardcore community or... games in general right now though. Although, I hope they do this so that I have a real reason to buy the new system. (I get perhaps well-deserved grief for adopting the WiiU early)

 

[kirblar]

Well, we know SFV won't be there. If Capcom is working on anything at all it will have to be Darkstalkers IV or Capcom All-Stars.

I suspect MvC4 is going to happen instead of All-Stars, due to that Capcom/Marvel "Show your support!" weirdness that seemed to lead to nothing earlier in the year.

 

[Karsticles]

I suspect MvC4 is going to happen instead of All-Stars, due to that Capcom/Marvel "Show your support!" weirdness that seemed to lead to nothing earlier in the year.

That was Sven's communication being taken out of context. Eventhubs screwed up. Capcom doesn't even have the Marvel license right now, so there's zero chance of a MvC4 being announced at E3. Zero.

 

[fader]

I suspect MvC4 is going to happen instead of All-Stars, due to that Capcom/Marvel "Show your support!" weirdness that seemed to lead to nothing earlier in the year.

I doubt it. I don't think Capcom wants to work with Marvel anymore.

 

[SloaneRisette]

That was Sven's communication being taken out of context. Eventhubs screwed up. Capcom doesn't even have the Marvel license right now, so there's zero chance of a MvC4 being announced at E3. Zero.

I doubt it. I don't think Capcom wants to work with Marvel anymore.

So you're saying there's a chance...

Spoiler

There's no chance

 

[fader]

So you're saying there's a chance...

Spoiler

There's no chance

Sorry man....

 

[onionfrog]

E3 is a couple weeks, what fighting games are people expecting there?

I expect to see Guilty Gear Xrd and Super Smash Bros Wii U.

I would love to see a new Darkstalkers, MVC4, or Capcom All-Stars.
None of these are even remotely a possibility...

Well, we know SFV won't be there. If Capcom is working on anything at all it will have to be Darkstalkers IV or Capcom All-Stars.

Capcom please! It would make a lot of sense to make use of the existing mvc3 engine for something. Like they used the sf4 engine as a base for SFxT, only not crappily done.

Mega Man (not that lame X) in Super Smash Bros
BELIEVE

My Man!

Nintendo vs Capcom

Even my hope doesn't stretch this far into the clouds...

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

EVO
UFGT
Final Round
NCR

Final Round I could see, but the others?

Anyways I started thinking about this cause of ChrisG trying to downplay winning or even attending EVO. In tennis you can be like, "so what if you didn't win Wimbledon you still took top honors at the French Open!"

But I can't really see anybody saying the same for pretty much every fighting game tournament asides from EVO. There's just a certain gravitas about it that nothing else can match, where top players spend months preparing for it and purposefully skipping out on EVO is like sacrilege.

As far as the US goes the closest I can think of are FR and Season's Beatings, but you don't really remember the winners of those unless something like Rocket Raccoon or BEAR happens.

 

[Village]

Nintendo vs Capcom
Mega Man (not that lame X) in Super Smash Bros

BELIEVE

Just because you are so wrong.

I hope its just zero or battle network megaman now

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Final Round I could see, but the others?

Anyways I started thinking about this cause of ChrisG trying to downplay winning or even attending EVO. In tennis you can be like, "so what if you didn't win Wimbledon you still took top honors at the French Open!"

But I can't really see anybody saying the same for pretty much every fighting game tournament asides from EVO. There's just a certain gravitas about it that nothing else can match, where top players spend months preparing for it and purposefully skipping out on EVO is like sacrilege.

Yeah, your point is taken But then again - most people recognize that Wimbledon is the move. "You won the French Open, okay, yeah. But you don't have that Wimbledon win. Is your career REALLY complete until you've got that notch on your belt, Mr. Federer?"

 

[aggro crag]

If you are a sponsored player, and you Top in every single tournament and you are not working a job. Should'nt you complain to your Sponsor about geting more money?
I dont know, maybe its just me, but sponsors are suppose to take care of you and if you are really struggling financially, find a job or renegotiate your contract.

I agree with that as well. I think teams should provide as best as possible. I really think if they can't get a full on living wage from their team, they should at least focus on winning and work on promoting themselves through streaming or video content. Even though, I'm getting awfully tired of hearing it, they should be going for that CPM money on the side.

I think FG pros are late to this thing. eSports has been on this for a while. Pretty much every EG SC2 player is streaming on Twitch and running commercials. FChamp has caught onto this, I think ChrisG should get on this, because he's winning all the time, and that could be used to his advantage, not just AGE's.

 

[lolmark]

Shady K starts an interesting exchange regarding TOs and money.

And we need stuff like this in the community(outside too!). Manly tears were shed.

It's weird that to see how much distrust players held back from tournament organizers in regards to finances. Transparency is important but at some point players need to start doing their own math and adding up all the costs of doing a major. For instance, how many players do I need to attend to cover the cost of the venue I'm going to rent? Which sponsors can assist in prizes? And how much of my own money can I afford to spend. It's almost shameful that TO's have to come out in a public setting to clear the misunderstanding, which is that no one is getting rich from running a tournament.

Regarding the second link. Patrick Stewart would be a great role model for the FGC. Trekkies are spoiled.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

Yeah, your point is taken But then again - most people recognize that Wimbledon is the move. "You won the French Open, okay, yeah. But you don't have that Wimbledon win. Is your career REALLY complete until you've got that notch on your belt, Mr. Federer?"

Yeah maybe I should have used some Podunk example like the ATP Masters instead of Wimbledon lol.

 

[onionfrog]

I really think if they can't get a full on living wage from their team, they should at least focus on winning and work on promoting themselves through streaming or video content. Even though, I'm getting awfully tired of hearing it, they should be going for that CPM money on the side.

Pretty much every EG SC2 player is streaming on Twitch and running commercials. .

Preach it brother!
Having top players produce valuable video content could potentially help grow the FGC.
Also, Arturo should really run ads during poverty chat.

 

[The Last Emperor]

EVO
UFGT
Final Round
NCR

Lmao. What a terrible list

I think the grand slam changes for each game tho.

For AE

Evo
Canada Cup
CEO
Final Round

For Marvel

Evo
Final Round
CEO
SCR or ECT

 

[Stabby McSter]

So you're saying there's a chance...

Spoiler

There's no chance

It's about as likely as Jem in a new MvC.

Spoiler

put_jem_in_umvc3

 

[90TilInfinity]

I think the grand slam changes for each game tho.

For AE

Evo
Canada Cup
CEO
Final Round

I'd swap out CEO for Shadowloo Showdown. But yeah, this (considering SBO is done for the time being).

 

[Vice]

In the spirit of the French Open currently going on, what would you say is the equivalent of the Grand Slam for FGCs?

The general public knows that other tennis tournaments exist but unless they're diehards they rarely tune in to anything asides from the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open.

As far as the general public is concerned, the FGC has EVO, and, well, EVO. Maybe Dreamhack for Europeans and SBO (rip) for the Japanese.

Evo
Dreamhack
Shadwloo Showdown
SBO

 

[djplaeskool]

E3 is a couple weeks, what fighting games are people expecting there?

I hope to see Darkstalkers

Maybe some teases for GGXrd

Half-court shot: Under Night In-Birth

 

[CrazyTank940]

What I'd like to see at E3:

Xrd
Darkstalkers
TxSF
US release for JoJo's


What will probably show up:

Chronophantasma
maybe TxSF
maybe KI
nothing Capcom fighting related

 

[lolmark]

Evo
Dreamhack
Shadwloo Showdown
SBO

I dunno about Dreamhack. Their tournaments are poorly advertised in the US and have poor visibility.

 

[Clawww]

Filthie Rich leaving Namco. He pushed a lot for the FGC when it came to bringing cabs to events and pot bonuses. Good luck to him in his next job.

great guy, good luck to him

 

[EarlyEarly]

The thing with the FGC tournament / Tennis comparison is that all the Grand Slams are different. Every FGC tourney is basically the same. A bunch of games, same format, just different location and people maybe. Playing on clay, grass and hard court in itself is like playing different types of fighting games.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

I dunno about Dreamhack. Their tournaments are poorly advertised in the US and have poor visibility.

After thinking about it there are two related, but different interpretations of the Grand Slam: my first definition (how visible the tournament is to the public eye) and FatboyRobert's (how much a win at that tourney defines your career). That latter one is a lot more interesting to think about.

Earlier in the week Viscant wrote about how winning Evo changed his entire mentality about the game; it kinda ties back to the overarching issue this Grand Slam question, Fanatiq popping off about top players skipping out on UFGT, and "is this a major?" scratch at.

 

[Silver_key]

The thing with the FGC tournament / Tennis comparison is that all the Grand Slams are different. Every FGC tourney is basically the same. A bunch of games, same format, just different location and people maybe. Playing on clay, grass and hard court in itself is like playing different types of fighting games.

Imagine the furious amounts of salt if the Road to EVO had tournaments with vastly different formats. Like one of each for Marvel:

- First to 5 long sets.
- 3 of 5
- 1 and done (single elim.)
- Standardized teams.

Then have EVO be the default 3 of 5, custom team selection.

 

[Warpticon]

I agree with that as well. I think teams should provide as best as possible. I really think if they can't get a full on living wage from their team, they should at least focus on winning and work on promoting themselves through streaming or video content. Even though, I'm getting awfully tired of hearing it, they should be going for that CPM money on the side.

I think FG pros are late to this thing. eSports has been on this for a while. Pretty much every EG SC2 player is streaming on Twitch and running commercials. FChamp has caught onto this, I think ChrisG should get on this, because he's winning all the time, and that could be used to his advantage, not just AGE's.

To be fair, twitch ads kind of pay like ass unless you have thousands upon thousands of viewers. Producing evergreen video content and getting a decent partner deal on Youtube is a much better deal.