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Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 22-28 | 2 Fast 2 Fuerte: Tokido Drift

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Malice215

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People calling El Fuerte a cancer when he's sucked for half a decade. Let him have his moment to shine.

It's so enjoyable watching people get blown up by him.
 
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Osu 16 Bit

Member
Compbros said:
Never understood that one, best I can guess is that if you've won a main game at EVO how can you be a rising star?
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Well I mean him winning it made him the rising star.

I guess you could say Sonic Fox was already a star. He did first place top 8 at a major in 2012. But hasn't Insayne been around forever?


Regardless, Sonic Fox is a Chris G style talent and I have no doubt he'd do well at any game. I love how salty everyone gets over Batgirl.
 
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Clawww

Member
there is no worse feeling than going out of your way to attend an event and having to face a fuerte in your bracket
 
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Coffeeling

Member
Malice215 said:
I don't see how when so few people even used him and compared to characters like Vanilla Sagat, Viper, AE Yun, etc.

People need to stop overreacting to one tournament victory.
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Uh, it has like ~1% to do that he won a tournament. That's just a thing that brought the issue up. The issue is that the moment Fuerte is locked in on the other side of the character select screen, ~95% of the fun drains out of playing SF, if not all of it. At that point you're not playing SF anymore, you're playing "Counter the spastic goofball". That's the thing.

A similar example happened recently in Magic, where the idiots at WotC printed True-Name Nemesis:
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It's a card the Legacy format could deal with, balance-wise, but whenever TNN hits the field previously nuanced, interesting boardstates with a lot of play to them just boil down to: "Can you race TNN". It takes the fun out of "fair" (=non-combo) Magic which is a thing a lot of people enjoy playing. It's uninteractive as shit, like many combo decks, but unlike most combo decks that crumble if you play your narrow answers correctly, TNN is just a dumb card slotted into an otherwise solid deck at next to no cost in deckbuilding and next to no sacrifices in actual play. The only saving grace is that the format is full of stuff that straight up ignores its existence.

Fuerte is similar. It doesn't matter if he's good or bad, he just robs SF of SF.

inb4 "bu-but ST Claw vortex!"
 
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SmokeMaxX

Member
Nyoro SF said:
Whyyyy do people on GAF main the most annoying characters in SF4? I swear this place is full of Dhalsim, Blanka, El Fuerte, Honda, Dee Jay, Hawk and rotate-a-shoto players.

Yep.
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Lol what are the not-annoying characters? Would you rather have everyone main the top tier?
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Fuerte isn't even that bad, though. His entire job is to make you panic, get annoyed or otherwise snap. If you sit there at the character select screen internally moaning that you have to play a Fuerte, the Fuerte player has already done a good quarter of what he needs to beat you. He's an annoying, madcap midget who has to hit you a lot to win.

Record Fuerte's setups, figure out his move properties, and he's not remotely bad or unfun to play against.

And run stop combos are hype.
 
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Coffeeling

Member
Wiseblade said:
Fuerte is the most fun character in the entire cast. I don't know how you guys can stand playing with anyone else. They're all so slow!
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I can't stand playing them. It's why I don't play SF4. I love fast, freeform movement. It's why I play KOF13, Melee and GG and am trying to learn VSav and 3S. The movement just feels so, so much better. Thing is, those games are built around what I enjoy. There are things I enjoy about SF4, and Fuerte shits on most of that, and I know it's a torture for others. Why turn a supposed-to-be-fun activity into torture for others when I can play other games built for that good feel with likeminded people?
 
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Compbros

Member
Osu 16 Bit said:
Well I mean him winning it made him the rising star.

I guess you could say Sonic Fox was already a star. He did first place top 8 at a major in 2012. But hasn't Insayne been around forever?


Regardless, Sonic Fox is a Chris G style talent and I have no doubt he'd do well at any game. I love how salty everyone gets over Batgirl.
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I guess you could state it like that, like someone winning a gold medal at the Olympics in one 100 metre freestyle may qualify them as a "rising star of swimming" even though they won one of the sub-competitions within the sport. So winning EVO should qualify him as a "rising star of the FGC"....yeah, I just don't get the decision to go with Steve.


I guess the question is "what are the qualifications for being a 'Rising Star?'".


It'll never end because Fox is just gonna keep winning.


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DryEyeRelief said:
2010 - Dr Chaos
2011 - Noah
2012 - CJ Truth
2013 - Angelic

So Capcom games
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I really hope it's not a matter of "he doesn't play Capcom games".
 
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Retro_

Unconfirmed Member
Yeah someone explain to me how Fuerte is fun to play against because I don't understand

He seems to shit on everything people seem to like about Street Fighter vs more modern games....by design...

People say he's fun to watch and fun to see people get blown up by him, but I'd argue that those people would probably enjoy seeing any underused character have that much success in tournament. Nothing inherent to Fuerte
 
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Kimosabae

Banned
alstein said:
Having lots of characters increases the odds of Hondas and Dee Jays popping up, but it doesn't make it a bad thing if everyone is viable.

The ideal roster size for a 1vs1 game is somewhere between 12 and 18
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If the roster is as large as TTT2's or SSF4's, that's thousands of matchups one would have to learn if every character were tournament viable. While morally satisfying, that would be very frustrating from a competitive standpoint. That's actually part of what I don't like about those two games, actually. They're very matchup-focused games with a shit ton of characters.

I agree that 12-18 is a sweet spot for 1v1 fighters, but 12 characters doesn't make for an attractive bullet point on a box.

oneida said:
ie Tag2?
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Yah.

RockTurtle said:
so you are of the opinion that if everyone is special, no one is school of fighting game thought?

i.e. you need your OP characters here and there just to set the litmus test for what is amazing play.
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There's also this. I do find OP characters interesting. As long as the character's not so powerful that they kill variety outside the top 8 of events.
 
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kirblar

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DunpealD said:
You mean like meeting Fuudo, Kazunoko and Tokido at Topanga Charity Cup 4?

Fun fact: EX Pugera was Pepedays teammate there. If you take a look at the match before Pepedays you can see Pugera play against Fuudo.

Obviously it's only one match so there is not that much take from. It's nice to see some unfamiliar faces to come out of the woodwork though.
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Ah, he's the #1 Fuerte in Japanese arcades. Which...is completely unsurprising.

(lol @ 2 MTG references out of the blue in 24 hours that aren't me,)
 
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OceanBlue

Member
DunpealD said:
You mean like meeting Fuudo, Kazunoko and Tokido at Topanga Charity Cup 4?

Fun fact: EX Pugera was Pepedays teammate there. If you take a look at the match before Pepedays you can see Pugera play against Fuudo.

Obviously it's only one match so there is not that much take from. It's nice to see some unfamiliar faces to come out of the woodwork though.
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All of those guys are from the same region. It doesn't get as much exposure as places like Tokyo though.
 
chriskun

chriskun

Member
kirblar said:
WCW (I think, might have been another event) pretty much showed the world why they don't make Honda a better character. (nothings happening....nothings happening...nothings happening.)
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I just gave him up because he is not that fun to play, I actually don't think he's as bad as people say he is.
 
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ViewtifulJC

Banned
Ono knew what he was doing when the first four newcomers were Rufus, Abel, Fuerte, and Viper.

Nigga said fuck Street Fighter 2 bro check out my mix-ups
 
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Malice215

Member
Coffeeling said:
Uh, it has like ~1% to do that he won a tournament. That's just a thing that brought the issue up. The issue is that the moment Fuerte is locked in on the other side of the character select screen, ~95% of the fun drains out of playing SF, if not all of it. At that point you're not playing SF anymore, you're playing "Counter the spastic goofball". That's the thing.

Fuerte is similar. It doesn't matter if he's good or bad, he just robs SF of SF.
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You can still have fun chucking fireballs or mashing DPs/Ultras on wakeup, but certain archetypes or lopsided matchups force you to play their game.

And the new characters that were introduced with SF4 (Viper, Rufus, Abel, El F) aren't typical SF characters, so your level of fun will vary.
 
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BumblebeeCody

Member
Huw_Dawson said:
Fuerte isn't even that bad, though. His entire job is to make you panic, get annoyed or otherwise snap. If you sit there at the character select screen internally moaning that you have to play a Fuerte, the Fuerte player has already done a good quarter of what he needs to beat you. He's an annoying, madcap midget who has to hit you a lot to win.

Record Fuerte's setups, figure out his move properties, and he's not remotely bad or unfun to play against.

And run stop combos are hype.
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This guy gets it. Sorry but El Guacamelee-san is a pretty average character(at best). He isn't that good. The person playing him is the exception to all those rules and tiers. Next people will be calling for Hakan nerfs because Kokobanaman is handing out.

sixteen-bit said:
saw this in the 10 million iphone 6 sales thread :lol

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You owe Dwayne!
 
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