Pretty much.
Goddamn Sako
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Goddamn Sako
Karsticles
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Smedwicks, let us play.
Edit: or you, Q?
Edit: or you, Q?
SloaneRisette
Member
Have to step off for now, gotta finish getting ready for the day since our family is going out for a while D: Sorry!
If you're around later though I'll probably be able to play for at least a bit. I've been so distracted by Smash I haven't been putting as much time into schoolwork as I should be >.>;
I feel that Samus is a lot stronger than she was in Brawl (I'm still mad salty about that), but still a little bit of a far cry from how she was in melee. Her wavedash-centric playstyle gave her some much needed agility on the ground given how booty her roll was, and I liked mixing up Super Missile/Charge Shot landing shenanigans. And Super Wavedash was silly, but fun.
I really do like Zero Suit Samus in this one though. I was not a fan in Brawl.
Tier list of viable characters according to fchamp
Nice to see that my main team is "top of A tier" with a mid anchor and a high-low second. :lol
That dash dancing one is brand new for me. omggggg
But yeah, Smash community is really weird about naming advanced mechanics/discovered mechanics. It might actually help people out more if these terms weren't so alien sounding leading to ignorant opinions like "they shouldn't exist" from casuals just looking to jam.
Dashdancing is cool.
Foxtrotting should be rapid dashing.
Reverse Aerial Rush (lololol). Thankfully people have opted to call a spade a spade in this case and call them pivot aerials.
Wavebouncing is the same as RAR except for Reversed B moves.
Re: Marth
Marth's new reach doesn't actually follow the trail of his sword it seems. Adding to the list of weird "off" things about him which also include him having landing lag on every aerial that isn't back air and thus pidgeon holing him into approaching with pivot back airs or pivot forward tilt.
I don't even have a good reference for how asinine the custom grinding is. People will go on and on about whether or not Sakurai is a good game designer or how much of Melee was on purpose but then we have a game where not only are the biggest draws of the fighters "random loot" but you have an increasingly bigger chance of drawing the same fucking custom moves you've already unlocked as your haul.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Sure
Random junior members come in and say Tekken 7 is a 2D fighting game using PS1 animations and looks the same since Tekken 2. Yeah, you don't need to be a Tekken regular to call out that BS.
Karsticles
Member
Gotta go.
If I ever do tourneys, I don't think I could keep on using Marth or Lucina. I haven't ran into any issues until Karst where I could see how bad Marth's flaws are in this version. His range is really bad in this. Melee and Brawl you could space and do well timed moves to tipper them without getting hit. In this one, f smash will just straight up lose with its new hitbox.
End of an era.
Karsticles
Member
On this note, we need a better messaging system in this game. -_-Gotta go.
I think you could have been more aggressive with your counters to deal with some of my strategies. Though I have yet to fight a challenging Lucina. WFT, Samus, and Falco cause problems for me.If I ever do tourneys, I don't think I could keep on using Marth or Lucina. I haven't ran into any issues until Karst where I could see how bad Marth's flaws are in this version. His range is really bad in this. Melee and Brawl you could space and do well timed moves to tipper them without getting hit. In this one, f smash will just straight up lose with its new hitbox.
End of an era.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Nintendo's biggest flaw imoGotta go.
I might need to. It's pretty difficult to safely get in at the moment, and then there's that armor I need to remember at low percents.
I definitely need to throw out more attacks to stuff out some of your specials. I'm also failing to roll after blocking upB to chase you down a little, so I guess I'm keeping myself at a disadvantage by waiting too much.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I played a good marth earlier he was SUPER agressive
I played a bunch of Smash locally with some guys at Super Arcade yesterday >
Rosalina still feels like a strong character. But she is floaty and has trouble coming down against fast characters. I had to aim for ledge grabbing on purpose just so I could get an invincible defense option, even when I was not near ledges.
Also people harass my Luma ;_; stop hitting the star bro! It is really fun to screw with characters on the ground with Luma though. Sometimes I drop on Luma on purpose just so I can swing at anyone trying to keep me from landing.
Rosalina is probably one of the strongest characters. Likely will turn out to be just under the S Tier of the game when it happens. I don't know if we can factor in custom moves yet. The only one I've tried so far is the Luma Drill, but it's ass.
Rosalina still feels like a strong character. But she is floaty and has trouble coming down against fast characters. I had to aim for ledge grabbing on purpose just so I could get an invincible defense option, even when I was not near ledges.
Also people harass my Luma ;_; stop hitting the star bro! It is really fun to screw with characters on the ground with Luma though. Sometimes I drop on Luma on purpose just so I can swing at anyone trying to keep me from landing.
Rosalina is probably one of the strongest characters. Likely will turn out to be just under the S Tier of the game when it happens. I don't know if we can factor in custom moves yet. The only one I've tried so far is the Luma Drill, but it's ass.
I usually am in most matchups. I guess getting wrecked by Bowser early on for doing it made me too scared to keep fighting like that lol
Rosalina's pretty scary. Considering you can do inputs for Luma any time, grabbing Rosalina when Luma is nearby sounds risky.
If I ever do tourneys, I don't think I could keep on using Marth or Lucina. I haven't ran into any issues until Karst where I could see how bad Marth's flaws are in this version. His range is really bad in this. Melee and Brawl you could space and do well timed moves to tipper them without getting hit. In this one, f smash will just straight up lose with its new hitbox.
End of an era.
Casuals
Beef
I'm going to stick it out a bit more with him (because I'm a hard head and character specialist) but unless I learn something amazing about where this game's ground combat is going, this might be the first Smash in 13 years where he gets put on the bench indefinitely.
If they made his Dancing Blade as good as Brawl's, that would've helped.
What moves are you using to kill right now? Upair isn't too bad since the blast zones seem smaller above than the left/right. Bair's the only other good aerial to kill but the tipper's harder to land in this game. I usually find myself going far off stage for a kill.
Ignoring the hitbox, forward smash is harder to land for me without a C stick since I can't walk and then do it as easily on the 3DS.
I'm surprised people even responded to that.
theprodigy
Member
Sorry about the salt earlier, but the lag was really getting to me.
Professor Beef
Banned
Sword tier character gets brought down a peg, weeaboos cry evry tiem
The funny thing is I can still eyeball tippers and thus can get KOs with tippered f-smash and bair, but it always feels like a gamble especially with how shields work in this game. There is zero push back on them and as such a powershield = instant [insert anything the opponent's moveset consists of here] punish.
In thinking about it and spending so long writing this post though, I think I finally get why Smash 4 Marth feels off. It's one part being too used to Project M and transitioning again and one part not getting how to flow with him. I feel stuck in place more often than not and as such I'm left with a lot of downtime where I'm wondering what's happening or what I could be doing better. I might be able to adapt with time.
I'm actually thinking of ZSS, Rosalina and Greninja. Those three are really fun even at a scrub level.
Viewtiful Joe will never get a 3 and I hope Digimon gets canceled. >:|
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Let's not say things we can't take back.
Professor Beef
Banned
It's fine. : p
RockTurtle
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BumblebeeCody
Member
Tier list of viable characters according to fchamp
Rocket Racoon?
Oh man. It fits so well.
Anyone watching The Big House (Smash Melee)? So good so far.
CountBlack
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Luffy's tier list for Rose
He thinks Rose beats Dudley.. I can kinda see it at the mid game area.. but idk. Gonna need to see Luffy vs Smug for $5000
He thinks Rose beats Dudley.. I can kinda see it at the mid game area.. but idk. Gonna need to see Luffy vs Smug for $5000
FT1
CountBlack
Member
That matchup is F R E E.
It's honestly like 8-2 lmao. I got curb stomped so hard at a tournament in that matchup I picked up Rose the next day lmao fuck DJ and or Capcom
irfaanator
Banned
rose beats dudley b/c her normals are way better.
BumblebeeCody
Member
I disagree with Poison. I think she actually changes how Rose plays. Other than that, that's a list agree with.
Holy Order Sol
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try going from PM Ganon to Sm4sh Ganon #thestruggle
CountBlack
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I haven't played any really good Poison's yet even though my cousin is like ranked top 5 with Poison on XBL
I can sorta see how it would be hard for Poison since her zoning does nothing but feed Rose meter. Not sure about the up close battle since I have no experience.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Trying going from PM Mario to Sm4sh Mario.
*Gets knocked off stage*
Ah it's fine, I can side do Side B 4 times into Down B (mash) and then Up B.
Does side B
Downs down B - Stars charging FLUDD.
FUCKING FLUDD!? Why are you back!?
*Dies*
Seriously, honest question, who wanted FLUDD back? Even then Dr.Mario is has Air Down B so...
Coffeeling
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Big House 4 top 32 => top8 was insane. Watch the vods folks. I have to sleep but I can only hope the actual top8 will be as insane as the stuff up until now.
O_O
<3
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FLUDD in Smash is a crime against humanity.
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FLUDD in Smash is a crime against humanity.
.la1n
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And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.
link pls
what if neither was superior
what If they were just tryna do different things
2d doesnt become 3d fighting until up doesnt jump and I can willingly going into foreground/background, circling my opponent imo.
As a casual Tekken observer, I can only tell characters and supers, from a gameplay perspective, are new. It still looks very Tekken which Im sure they wanted since that got Tekken to that best selling fighter status when SF went into haitus. Graphically, I can see things done changed.
It'll do well if Tekken has a market.
As a casual Tekken observer, I can only tell characters and supers, from a gameplay perspective, are new. It still looks very Tekken which Im sure they wanted since that got Tekken to that best selling fighter status when SF went into haitus. Graphically, I can see things done changed.
It'll do well if Tekken has a market.