Ocean Dweller
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The Framerate is all over the place and not even in demanding scenes. I should have just waited for the PC version.
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Final Fantasy 16 “Framerate mode” is a joke on PS5
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poodaddy
Gold Member
You are correct, though I'm not sure it necessarily warrants a thread. The problems with the game's performance have been well documented. I actually look forward to playing it, but I'm actively waiting on the PC version, as I'm not dealing with 30 fps, and the performance mode is borked. Thank goodness I'm patient.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Huge high fps over quality guy here and yes, the performance mode for FF16 was absolute dog shit and at times it looked as if I was playing at sub 720p. I had to switch to 30 FPS. Decent game but I regret buying it full price.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Made the decision to wait for PC when I heard maximillian talking about how bad the framerate was at preview events and he is the biggest FF shill. The demo also ran poorly.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it's ff14 engine, so should be okish ?Prediction about PC version: The overuse of alpha effects will lead to poor performance even on the best GPUs at resolutions above 1440p.
You'll probably wont get locked 60fps unless you spent more than a bag of sand on your GPU
Kuranghi
Member
What's Fidelity mode like on your 48" OLED at monitor seating distance without any motion blur? Difficult I'd imagine, even on my ZD9 I needed a wee bit on, max MB is insane though, feels like I'm on hallucinogens.
SenkiDala
Member
Yeah I've 200+ hours on the game, 100% the main game and DLC and I couldn't agree more.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This mode was blatantly added last minute as they didn't want the heat of not having a 60fps mode. It's terrible and shouldn't exist. Game was made for 30fps, clearly.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Demo was not the final version.
besides - 30fps mode only drops some fps in cinematics and only few times. The game is remarkably stable and it's one of better controlling/more responsive 30fps games.
max didn't like this game because it's not a classic ff rpg.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I bought it on PS5 but I really don't want to play it on it. A choice out of an awful framerate or an awful resolution really isn't much of a choice. I deserve better. Same reason I'm waiting until the Super Switch drops to play TOTK.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, it still sucks. Surprised they haven't put in any work on it since release.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it's hard without any motion blur. I played with setting 5. but 3 is also ok. below that it's a bit to jittery.
it was great for me even on release without motion blur power setting
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Sushi_Combo
Member
You'll be annoyed to hear that the PC version will probably run even worse.
Lagspike_exe
Member
This is the PS5 Pro mode.
Gambit2483
Member
Agreed. I think I turned 60fps off after around the 5th or 6th chapter and never looked back.
Besides, the visual fidelity of this game deserves a full 4k picture.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
But we can brute force through that shit.
I sense we're preparing for some 30fps only news.
With a 120hz TV you probably have VRR and the 50-60fps averages aren't so bad. Wouldn't say no to a 40fps mode though.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
It seems 120hz capable TVs with HDMI 2.1 VRR etc... are only recently, like in the past 2-3 years starting to get in homes. Once these become standard in most TV sets I think more developers will make 40fps modes. But still a while to go... Right now it seems to only be in Sony 1st party game a few 3rd party, but hardly any.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
They drop res in combat to ensure 60.
Field is just supposed to look nice
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
The moment you enter a battle the resolution drops, therefore the framerate can maintain 60 in battle. Once the battle is over the resolution increases and thus the framerate becomes unstable, between 45-60fps. The quality mode generally achieves a solid 30fps at 1440p which is reconstructed to 4k.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The Framerate mode holds 60 fps constantly during combat which is when it matters. Outside of combat when exploring, it's whatever.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Flawless 60fps with so much Vaseline smeared across the screen you would think you were playing Bayonetta 3 on the Switch.
Kuranghi
Member
I think outputting 120hz and then applying 1/3 rate v-sync is too much to expect from Japanese devs.
Only issue is afaik PS5 has no native LFC for its VRR, it relies on devs to implement it on their side, so see my first comment.
I love Japanese devs but they do love to make bizarre tech choices. Like half-rate animation zombies in the RE2 remakes when you only see zombies at that distance a handful of times in the game, the main annoying one being the police station's "back-lit zombie banging on window outside the dark room save room" moment. That rather ruins it I think.
Kuranghi
Member
Hopefully, it's the only thing I miss on my 2016 Sony, I'm not fussed about current-state VRR or 120hz modes, but those 40hz modes look sweet.
The problem is that while VRR is part of the HDMI spec now regardless of bandwidth, so TVs will have VRR more commonly, ime most console players don't buy 120hz TVs. The brands that take up most of the market (ie Samsung and LG) charge £799 or more and require going to 55" unless you're okay paying £899-£1200 for a 43/50" Samsung QN90 or 42/48" LG C3.
Sony doesnt give a shit about premium LCD below 55" size. Hisense and TCL have no premium offerings in those sizes either but do have much cheaper 4K120hz + VRR sets in 55"+.
I like to think I'm doing my part by selling Hisense U7Ks and U8Ks with 99% the same gaming features as LG OLEDs (including 4K@120hz Dolby Vision gaming) but at currently £649 and £899 for a 55"
I wish I could hook up a current gen console or PC to them and show the crazy good contrast and depth of image from some fidelity modes and motion smoothness from something competitive.
cash_longfellow
Member
Thanks for the thread about it.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Combat drops to 720p res, the fact that you didn't notice is proof that they made the right decision in doing this. When combat ends, the game runs at 1080p res when exploring the field. It is super easy to see this if you are looking for it, just ride your mount past an enemy on the field and make it aggro, you'll instantly see the image become much more coarse when the resolution switches, then after awhile the enemy disengages and you'll see the image become much sharper when combat ends.
Ocean Dweller
Member
Guess I’ll give fidelity a shot with 3/5 MB
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
720p.
Final Fantasy XVI Resolution Drops as Low as 720P in Performance Mode, Uses AMD FSR 1
The final build of Final Fantasy XVI was analyzed by Digital Foundry. The resolution drops very low in Performance Mode, and it uses FSR 1.
wccftech.com
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TheShocker
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Neither mode is visually appealing or technically sound. That said, I’ve enjoyed the fidelity mode the most.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
A Fidelity mode with DRS and a 40hz option would be the ideal scenario.
Has any Japanese developed game even had a 40hz mode yet?
proandrad
Member
With good reason, game doesn’t look good enough to warrant the shitty framerate.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
Hopefully, it's the only thing I miss on my 2016 Sony, I'm not fussed about current-state VRR or 120hz modes, but those 40hz modes look sweet.
The problem is that while VRR is part of the HDMI spec now regardless of bandwidth, so TVs will have VRR more commonly, ime most console players don't buy 120hz TVs. The brands that take up most of the market (ie Samsung and LG) charge £799 or more and require going to 55" unless you're okay paying £899-£1200 for a 43/50" Samsung QN90 or 42/48" LG C3.
Sony doesnt give a shit about premium LCD below 55" size. Hisense and TCL have no premium offerings in those sizes either but do have much cheaper 4K120hz + VRR sets in 55"+.
I like to think I'm doing my part by selling Hisense U7Ks and U8Ks with 99% the same gaming features as LG OLEDs (including 4K@120hz Dolby Vision gaming) but at currently £649 and £899 for a 55"
Kura, riddle me this :
I'm one of the - apparently - "weird" ones that absolutely CANNOT do 30fps on an OLED due to the judder/stutter,(LG C2 here) I've been reading on the internet that 30fps games look even more juddery when...you have VRR enabled since - apparently - there's some behind the scenes fuckery that messes with the screen fluidity (?)
Fuck if it makes sense to me but these posters (different ones in different reddit threads) have been swearing that there is indeed a difference with VRR turned off when it comes to the judder on 30fps games ... They mentioned specifically the quality mode on Demon's souls remake, RDR2 (which is 30 by default ) etc, does that make any sense ?
I know that it's an inherent flaw on OLEDs due to their instant response time but I'm just trying to somewhat remedy the 30fps stutter shit show on my C2 to no avail, I just can't for the life of me get used to it, tried using true motion but it's obviously not perfect and the input lag drives me mad, it's just that I don't get how some people say that they don't have a problem with 30fps games on their OLEDs and that "it's fine"...
TLDNR : Some people have been saying that turning VRR off from the console can actually help with the 30fps stutter
Cheers
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saintjules
Gold Member
According to DF it was built for 30fps and then somewhere late in development they tried to add 60fps. What's weird that it works great during combat, but once the fights are over, it becomes a mess.
Kind of why I stopped playing XVI. I hope they fix it!
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