PantherLotus
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maybe i should be begging for shines then, because i got like my 10th Shera at this point on my daily halfer
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Pejo
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Congrats on the Olive!
I can't help but feel like people are sleeping on Shera's TM. It's no 30% awesomeness for pure attack stats, but the HP and fire resist are amazing. Ifrit + a few Shera TMs is 100% fire resist with a ton of Hp and attack on top of it. I think that's eventually going to be useful.
Muku
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I'm with PL. Need dat Shine rating.
;_; Gumi will read this and go "Whelp, time to push Orlandu from 2040 to 2060!"
;_; Gumi will read this and go "Whelp, time to push Orlandu from 2040 to 2060!"
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
yeah i mean, this is fine. but we're never going to need 15 of these TMs sitting around!
Hippopuncher12
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Woohoo Mateus Malice and Dark Bond done. Dark Fina lovin life.
Alkez
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What's her mag up to now? Saw you were at 749 the other day. Made me really want her (I actually voted for her as well despite not having Noctis lol).
Hippopuncher12
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840 now! 2 Vanille TM's are next to get her to right around 900. I could Dual Wield with an Omnirod as well but it doesn't add enough to take it from a Noctis. I really need a Gilgamesh to get her to max. Never gonna come to me Mr. Greg?
Muku
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840 now! 2 Vanille TM's are next to get her to right around 900. I could Dual Wield with an Omnirod as well but it doesn't add enough to take it from a Noctis. I really need a Gilgamesh to get her to max. Never gonna come to me Mr. Greg?
He's not. He's mad because you're calling him Greg when his name is Carl.
Hippopuncher12
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I'll call him whatever he wants as long as he pops out of a fucking rainbow for me.
Muku
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LOL XD
I'd just be happy to see a Rainbow. But that's okay. Maybe I'm saving up for that inevitable day in 2222 when they release Orlandu.
creid
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I was disappointed to discover last night that Randi + Gigas Axe, Sakurafubuki, Blade Mastery, and Black Cowl is still 50ATK lower than a similarly-equipped Chizuru (with Chiri instead of the axe). What gives?
Maybe, but it's still wrong information in the FAQ.
This is like a complete first FFBE problem.
To anyone normal, any 5* is not a troll since most players since the start have one, maybe 2.
Randi gets +35% attack with a (regular) sword. Why Gigas Axe over Enhancer or similar?
(atk bonus of 62 when fully potted from using a regular sword, by my quick calculation - using Shining Splendor, Vernard etc should be far better than Gigas Axe)
He also claims to be Warrior of Light's dad in Möbius (but obviously isn't) Some of those scenes were sooo good! Good ol' Gilgy!
Definite firstbe problems, Luneth or Lightning trolls is a poor joke... has their usefulness waned a bit? Absolutely. Tm's make them beast again... like Dark Knight Soul.
I wouldn't consider either a troll JUST because that's TWO less dual wields to farm up until you're ready to change units... Since we keep dual wield as the highest rated Tm.
Pejo
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Shouta are you playing Global now? What's your friend ID?
Muku
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I like my Luneth.
But then again he's really only one that does any damage in my group right now. Working on a second DW for Yun so maybe he can help. I don't have Noctis or anything. ;_; Hell, I'd be happy even with a Lightning at this point.Advocatus Diaboli
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My Lightning dupe agrees with you, but I still run both Light and Luneth. Free DW, and I like the AOE skills.
Zippedpinhead
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With all this "who is the worst 5* base" talk I have a question.
Why is Marie good? Is there something comin along that I'm just not seeing? I get why ace and delita are bad, and why luneth and lightning are let downs (now) but I just don't see it with Marie.
I am tempted to do an 11 pull tomorrow, just because I need six star mats and getting them through the event is likely the best way to do it.
Also demon's tails. Is there any location that drops them as a "common" drop? Plenty of wind crysts for steal, but not enough tails.
Why is Marie good? Is there something comin along that I'm just not seeing? I get why ace and delita are bad, and why luneth and lightning are let downs (now) but I just don't see it with Marie.
I am tempted to do an 11 pull tomorrow, just because I need six star mats and getting them through the event is likely the best way to do it.
Also demon's tails. Is there any location that drops them as a "common" drop? Plenty of wind crysts for steal, but not enough tails.
Hippopuncher12
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Luneth TM'd out does not in anyway do shit damage lol. Without TM's sure. What he lacks is utility, but if it wasn't for Noctis who probably shouldn't have even been released on Global yet people would have a complete different perception.
creid
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Ahh, didn't notice he had that skill, that must be what I'm missing. I'll try it out tonight, thanks! I picked Gigas Axe just because it was the highest ATK weapon I had besides Sakurafubuki.
She can give the whole party a big boost to elemental defense (50%?) and lower the enemy parties elemental defense (30 or 40% I think?) It was really helpful during the event that was going on during her banner, at least. Haven't found much use for her since then
jasminlovesyoux
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They are god tier characters if you're a player that doesn't have a lot of TMs. Or dual wield specifically of course
Pejo
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I still keep him in Arena and lots of event parties for the free dual wield on top of the built in status immunities. Lots of times he finished off a Ling team for me. (though the fact that he's only physical doesn't help much).
But yea, Luneth just has no "pizazz" anymore. I'm really excited to switch around some units with Olive and trying out some other stuff like Shine and Cupid Artemos. They don't have as much high end as Luneth/Gilgamesh have, but they have lots of interesting little twists.
Zera_Bloodwinter
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I pulled a Luneth last week. Have no use or need for him. Wish he was Dark Fina. /FFBEfirstworldproblems.
On another note who'd you choose between both fully geared out Elza and Gilgamesh? I have both and have used them an equal amount but I'd like a second opinion on this. The rest of the team consists of Noct, Ling, Cecil, Refia.
I've got 2 turn aoe break via Ling so Elza can just be used for straight dpt. Madness Rush while able to hit different targets one at a time isn't as good as Greg's Divider I believe. Elza is hard to chain with while Greg's Tri attack works like butter with chains. What are your thoughts guys?
On another note who'd you choose between both fully geared out Elza and Gilgamesh? I have both and have used them an equal amount but I'd like a second opinion on this. The rest of the team consists of Noct, Ling, Cecil, Refia.
I've got 2 turn aoe break via Ling so Elza can just be used for straight dpt. Madness Rush while able to hit different targets one at a time isn't as good as Greg's Divider I believe. Elza is hard to chain with while Greg's Tri attack works like butter with chains. What are your thoughts guys?
Since we know what the Mog King Numbers will be again, decided to do a bit of number crunching.
Is it worth to pull vs Refresh?
Basically, what is the mathematical cost of pulling a unit. We can neglect the friend unit, since you'll always have them.
ELT always offers the highest amount, AVG is 204 and costs 13 NRG. Using the basis of 100 NRG.. A daily is worth 2.5 refills. 100 will result in 7.7 runs, or 250 NRG will result in 19.2 Runs. So 19 runs.
So let's take a look at each unit. To get a single increase, you lose out on 19 runs worth of energy. Math wise, that will be 43876 Currency. So every daily pull, you lose out on 3876 currency, if you invested it back into Energy at 100 NRG base.
This means at a single 50% unit, to hit the black from just a daily pull. You'll need to run it 38 times to get back the Lapis cost if you just invested it into Energy.
If you get 75%, 25 Times.
If you get 100%, 19 times.
Tickets, typically have a higher estimate lapis cost than Dailies. I believe reddit had it pinned on 350-375. But I always go down, so we'll say 300. 23 runs worth of energy, 4692 Currency. So every ticket is worth 46 runs if you get a 50% unit, less for the other two.
Could be a good way to think about it for you all planning to get units. Maybe better to just take that 500 Lapis for two dailies and use it as refreshes. Take the time to level some units, knock the rank up, etc. It's 38 runs worth of Lapis or 7752 Currency points.
Note: I never do take in account the boss unit, largely because some people get them 4 times in a row, while others may see them once. The estimate is always around 6-7% appearance from Reddit. You'll get far bigger gains here and can make up multiple turns worth if you net one. This is where the gains come in. But everything is dependent largely on what you want too. If you want 100k worth of stuff, then the additional units will pay dividends. But the cross off point will basically be how many times you need to run to get what you want, versus the cost of decreasing each run,
Is it worth to pull vs Refresh?
Basically, what is the mathematical cost of pulling a unit. We can neglect the friend unit, since you'll always have them.
ELT always offers the highest amount, AVG is 204 and costs 13 NRG. Using the basis of 100 NRG.. A daily is worth 2.5 refills. 100 will result in 7.7 runs, or 250 NRG will result in 19.2 Runs. So 19 runs.
So let's take a look at each unit. To get a single increase, you lose out on 19 runs worth of energy. Math wise, that will be 43876 Currency. So every daily pull, you lose out on 3876 currency, if you invested it back into Energy at 100 NRG base.
This means at a single 50% unit, to hit the black from just a daily pull. You'll need to run it 38 times to get back the Lapis cost if you just invested it into Energy.
If you get 75%, 25 Times.
If you get 100%, 19 times.
Tickets, typically have a higher estimate lapis cost than Dailies. I believe reddit had it pinned on 350-375. But I always go down, so we'll say 300. 23 runs worth of energy, 4692 Currency. So every ticket is worth 46 runs if you get a 50% unit, less for the other two.
Could be a good way to think about it for you all planning to get units. Maybe better to just take that 500 Lapis for two dailies and use it as refreshes. Take the time to level some units, knock the rank up, etc. It's 38 runs worth of Lapis or 7752 Currency points.
Note: I never do take in account the boss unit, largely because some people get them 4 times in a row, while others may see them once. The estimate is always around 6-7% appearance from Reddit. You'll get far bigger gains here and can make up multiple turns worth if you net one. This is where the gains come in. But everything is dependent largely on what you want too. If you want 100k worth of stuff, then the additional units will pay dividends. But the cross off point will basically be how many times you need to run to get what you want, versus the cost of decreasing each run,
Advocatus Diaboli
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I never use a tank unless absolutely necessary. I'd sub Elza and Greg in for Cecil. Ling or Noct could evade "tank"; Greg wears heavy armor and has great HP and Def-- he's usually my "tank," to be honest.
Shouta
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Alkez
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Guys, I've just finished updating the opening post as it was done at the last minute yesterday. I know it's not that important but I wanted to give a better overview for beginners and implement some of the suggestions that were given. I also wanted to make sure it met the standard of the first 3 OTs.
If you could skim over it when you have a moment and let me know if there's anything else I should add (or remove) that would be appreciated. Otherwise I will leave it for now.
If you could skim over it when you have a moment and let me know if there's anything else I should add (or remove) that would be appreciated. Otherwise I will leave it for now.
More helpful then mine. All I wanted to do was a Simpsons Thread, because I was rewatching them at the time.
lol. They're still some of the best units in the game. Let's get some perspective here.
I'm patiently waiting for the day when Noctis is considered a troll rainbow.
crazyivan19
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This is an excellent analysis. Thank you very much! I was pretty much just planning on getting the tickets and maybe a few other things with this event, so I figured I would do a couple daily pulls and use a couple tickets to try and get bonus units to speed up the farming. But it sounds like that probably isn't the most cost effective way to go, and should instead just run it and save up my lapis in general.
Looks much better! Great job!
Really great edit (I didn't get banned)
Leroy Rocks, I remember that so well when it came.
Nah I got more of mini bursts (7) than earlier Mazes combined
.Nah I got more of mini bursts (7) than earlier Mazes combined
Wow that's crazy I just got my FIRST Mini Burst Pot for this Maze event just now! And I've been doing maybe a full NRG bar each day....and getting to the end a few times....damn.
I really used to get so many. Strange.
I've gotten at least 20 burst pots this week, but I haven't done anything at all with my energy other than maze it up. Finished up Emperor and Marie, got Garnet some LB levels, and my Lb potted Cecil is almost 100 now too. Would still like to level up Firion, Chiz #2 and now baby Ramza too. Those king cactuars can't come soon enough!
Not gonna lie, I'd be a little disappointed if my rainbow was Lightning. I'm pretty set for damage with Noctis and Yun, and I really really like characters that fill certain niche situations rather than pure DPS. That's why I was so psyched to get Marie and now Ramza, and of course Ling.
Not gonna lie, I'd be a little disappointed if my rainbow was Lightning. I'm pretty set for damage with Noctis and Yun, and I really really like characters that fill certain niche situations rather than pure DPS. That's why I was so psyched to get Marie and now Ramza, and of course Ling.
DrROBschiz
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Randi also gets massive killer bonuses though
I got Luneth also recently, but I don't know what to do with him. I have Noctis, Lightning, and Dark Fina, so I don't know if I have room for him in my group. Which is sad because I wanted to get him for a long time. Honestly, I don't even know what to do with Dark Fina, either. I'm not all that impressed with her as I feel like Exdeath has a better set of spells and skills. Maybe I'm not looking at her properly.
Also, not all that happy with Firion. He seems pretty bad to me. Does he get better at some point?
DrROBschiz
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Luneth is very good
innate resistances, free dual weild and brute force
hes a chain finisher and cut through is one of the easiest and most powerful chain finishers available
Yeah Olive and Noctis will eat those coveted slots of course
Doesnt make Luneth any less good.
innate resistances, free dual weild and brute force
hes a chain finisher and cut through is one of the easiest and most powerful chain finishers available
Yeah Olive and Noctis will eat those coveted slots of course
Doesnt make Luneth any less good.
Muku
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Not everyone has Lightning and Noctis. Maybe if you have someone that is better, it's hard to justify him in your group... but for those of us with him, we make do I guess.
I would mention Yun, but he was limited... and really not all that impressed. Not even sure if getting him DW will impress me tbh. Just want someone that kicks ass.
Edit: After I get this second DW, I'm going to be working on a weapon for Luneth I think. Not like I'm going to be getting anything else. Already have him full potted for most things if not all. Only way to improve him now will be gear.
I would mention Yun, but he was limited... and really not all that impressed. Not even sure if getting him DW will impress me tbh. Just want someone that kicks ass.
Edit: After I get this second DW, I'm going to be working on a weapon for Luneth I think. Not like I'm going to be getting anything else. Already have him full potted for most things if not all. Only way to improve him now will be gear.
When Orlandu, Eileen, Tidus, all Veritas and Onion Knight come, he will be officially trash by #firstbeproblems standards.
Unless they fix him by Japanese standards.
Zera_Bloodwinter
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Nah, D. Fina > Exdeath. You need to take another look her skills. Also do you have any caster TM's ready for her. My Emp is at a measly 646 atk, I've seen some D. Fina's break the 900 mag barrier and I can't wait for my Emp to do that one day. Her and Ex share some skills but her kit is better overall and offers more. I used to run an all melee dps team but as you can see from the past events you need at least one caster so I benched a phys dps for Emp.
In terms of Lightning vs Luneth, Luneth does more non element dps while Lightning has a wide array of elemental coverage. All depends on the fight and the rest of your team comp.
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