Finding the Rap GOAT final (2Pac vs Eminem)
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theignoramus
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Muhfuckas raise Stan like Nas didn't give us One Mic and Pac didn't give us Me and My Girlfriend.
Dreams-Visions
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was banging this just yesterday. And my first Nas album was It Was Written.
The Message
Street Dreams
Watch Dem Niggas
I Gave You Power
Affirmative Action
If I Ruled The World
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Mathers life. With respect.
As for Pac...there's about 30 classic tracks I can think of just off the top of my head.
How this "battle" even got to this point makes my head hurt a bit.
Seriously,
I'm not seeing em as a GOAT. Dude haven't made a quality album since The Eminem Show, his rhymes been hit and miss for the past few years, and he doesn't have the same spark as he did when he scared the shit out of Jay Z on Renegade.
Pac...sighs...Pac is overrated as hell on some real shit. Dude is good, but majority of his lyrics is the same gibberish such as "Riding on my enemies, drinking Hennessy, fuck biggie, etc". Don't get me wrong, I enjoy his music, but how people go out of their way to put him on the trophy display is downright silly when there has been artists that run laps around dude.
I'm not seeing em as a GOAT. Dude haven't made a quality album since The Eminem Show, his rhymes been hit and miss for the past few years, and he doesn't have the same spark as he did when he scared the shit out of Jay Z on Renegade.
Pac...sighs...Pac is overrated as hell on some real shit. Dude is good, but majority of his lyrics is the same gibberish such as "Riding on my enemies, drinking Hennessy, fuck biggie, etc". Don't get me wrong, I enjoy his music, but how people go out of their way to put him on the trophy display is downright silly when there has been artists that run laps around dude.
Just need this em again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdjBDtn1es0
Hope he stops with the convoluted rap songs with horrible beats trying to showcase his technical proficiency and screaming his lungs out. I need the old em back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdjBDtn1es0
Hope he stops with the convoluted rap songs with horrible beats trying to showcase his technical proficiency and screaming his lungs out. I need the old em back.
theignoramus
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Me Against the World and Strictly 4 don't have that shit as the prevailing theme though. Strictly 4 is almost a straight up sociopolitical rant.
This is true. I just hate when folks put him above artists that would run laps around him. Beyond those albums, dude was the mad rapper of the 90s.
D'ultimate
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I feel that people that attack Pac due to the simplicity of his lyrics are just not going to get "it".
It's as if you guys strictly listen to albums just go "oh shit! Did you hear how he put those syllables together?!"
That's not what made Pac great and why he's always brought up in these conversations. "Let it go dawg..."
I suggest you guys read the OP again to gain some clue and perspective. There's a reason why he's a finalist and it's not cause he was the best lyricist. Not by a longshot.
So I don't "get it" because I want more than just raw emotion in my albums. Like I said, I enjoyed his past albums and he is a good artists, but dude is not the GOAT. When I think of GOAT, I think of Nas honestly, because his albums were consistent and done more than just raw emotion. Dude was creative with his content, his lyrics appealed to every demographic, and his storytelling is top notch.
Just because I don't believe Pac is the greatest rapper of all time, doesn't mean he's not one of my favorites. Don't put me out like a typical listener just because I don't agree with the higher demographic of music followers to say Pac is the "GOAT".
IrishNinja
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somehow Eminem was a popular choice, and he still is; i get more props & stunts that Bruce Willis
tight list, I was revisiting I got Next and some BDP shit and KRS definitely moved up for me, thought you'd have Rakim somewhere here too
scarface related: was listening the diary chopped & screwed the other day, it really doesnt work haha
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tight list, I was revisiting I got Next and some BDP shit and KRS definitely moved up for me, thought you'd have Rakim somewhere here too
scarface related: was listening the diary chopped & screwed the other day, it really doesnt work haha
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MHWilliams
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He switches it up with the F-word. Different crutch.
Em has an entire songs that are about nothing but killing people.
Really? Rap has a long history of being the news you won't hear elsewhere, and the positivity trail goes from old school like KRS-1 and Rakim all the way up to modern backpack rap and other non mainstream hip-hop.
I could type out a list of positive rappers instead of a sweeping line but I don't have all day, and it would take hours.
Plus if you really round up body of work Em has just as many negative/violence and drug fantasy music to balance out the positive.
But keep thinking he is the only rapper that has anything legit to say.
IrishNinja
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hey now, at least em, MGK, mac miller, riff raff etc aren't like those thugs
fair point,pac was always on some negative bullshit
when i think of Em, i think of positivity
I bet you make a great pie chart....
Wut?
is that wrong? i thought we were talking about danny brown one time and you werent feelin it
on topic; id say Nas is really the undisputed champ
but idk
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Lol. Eminem nor Pac deserves to be in the top two.
Jay & Nas has already surpassed both, IMO. Not to mention B.I.G. was better than Pac.
Jay & Nas has already surpassed both, IMO. Not to mention B.I.G. was better than Pac.
Besthelboy
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T La Rock, KRS One, K Rino, Beast 1333, Scarface... I can go on and on, many are better than both of them. I would pick Pac over eminem.
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How the shit is Em even in contention
FadedRevolution
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cause he's white
block tower
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Never heard of hiphop heads even crowning eminem as GOAT, I've only ever heard his sales numbers brought up. Eminem is fucking corny and hardly the revivalist of lyrical rap, which never went away if you actually listened to hiphop.
2Pac seems like a valid nomination for GOAT but I'm sure there are others who might be close to that title too, so I'd have to really think about who rivals 2Pac .
But again fuck eminem , he's been whack.
2Pac seems like a valid nomination for GOAT but I'm sure there are others who might be close to that title too, so I'd have to really think about who rivals 2Pac .
But again fuck eminem , he's been whack.
IrishNinja
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It's a shame that nobody mentions Slick Rick as being one of the GOATs.
Dude took the art of story telling and perfected it.
his career got cut real short by prison time, sadly
having recently revisited art of storytelling, he had some great tracks there but yeah, his influence was felt at least
Of course is wrong lmao. Dude's Danny Brown levels of trash.
Oh yeah :/
IrishNinja
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danny brown's XXX > last decade plus of em's work, tell a friend
Old side A>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lose Youself
PhoenixDark
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Lyrically Eminem is pretty one note overall. Lots of boring horrorcore raps that got cornier as he continued. He has started doing more "if you believe it you can do it" inspirational rap songs now, which I guess is depth but meh. The tracks are pretty weak.
I think people people are putting too much focus on flow. Is anyone going to argue his metaphors or general wit matches someone like Nas? Likewise do his introspective tracks match Nas or Pac? Every time I see someone bring up Rap God I can't help but think they don't listen to shit but Eminem. That's not a bad "rapping about rap/I'm better than you" song but come the fuck on. Rapping isn't just about rapping fast, give me some quotables.
I think people people are putting too much focus on flow. Is anyone going to argue his metaphors or general wit matches someone like Nas? Likewise do his introspective tracks match Nas or Pac? Every time I see someone bring up Rap God I can't help but think they don't listen to shit but Eminem. That's not a bad "rapping about rap/I'm better than you" song but come the fuck on. Rapping isn't just about rapping fast, give me some quotables.
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Discotheque
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majestad with another WOAT rap thread
and yeah danny brown xxx and old > 10 years of eminem.
and yeah danny brown xxx and old > 10 years of eminem.
The only thing impressive about Em is that his first three albums were so great, he is still relevant more than 10 years after that. After The Eminem Show it was all a bag of meh's and ait's.
Pac has a great living discography but you cant compare the two. He died way too young to be given a chance at true greatness. Even though I think BIG would have been bigger.
They can probably be in a top 10 here or there but thats where I'll keep it.
Nas is probably the closest to come to the GOAT. My favorite is Andre3000, who would have probably had it if it wasn't for his existential crisis during his peak. He had it all but oh well.
I dig JayZ, I really do. I see his appeal but I just could never completely fuck with his stuff. Reasonable Doubt is top notch obviously.
As for the old school cats, I have to admit it was before my time. So by the time I was seriously into hiphop the style already came and went.
So those lists they make is just nostalgia-clicking, 90's kids dicking around. We will never get a true GOAT.
Pac has a great living discography but you cant compare the two. He died way too young to be given a chance at true greatness. Even though I think BIG would have been bigger.
They can probably be in a top 10 here or there but thats where I'll keep it.
Nas is probably the closest to come to the GOAT. My favorite is Andre3000, who would have probably had it if it wasn't for his existential crisis during his peak. He had it all but oh well.
I dig JayZ, I really do. I see his appeal but I just could never completely fuck with his stuff. Reasonable Doubt is top notch obviously.
As for the old school cats, I have to admit it was before my time. So by the time I was seriously into hiphop the style already came and went.
So those lists they make is just nostalgia-clicking, 90's kids dicking around. We will never get a true GOAT.
No freaking way. Lose Yourself is iconic. One of the all time great rap songs. Played out as hell now but damn there is no way side A touches Lose Yourself.
JJDinomite
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Eminem is average at best, and Tupac is severely overrated. My vote goes to Doom.
IrishNinja
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yeah DOOM has also had some great records in the last 10 years, such as
Come on bro. Who hates lose yourself? You dont think the track is iconic? There was a period when you literally could not escape it. It reached god tier status.
Also could you tell me where that gif is from? Lol is it the interview?
IrishNinja
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oh, i don't at all hate it, i think it's a great track honestly - and it is iconic, especially from 8 mile - i just don't know about one of the all-time greats, that's all
Bubble Metropolis
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Aw here it goes. Every time people wanna talk about rapping some millennial gotta pull DOOM out they ass. That's they one.
Look, MF DOOM is good, but compared to Tupac and Eminem, MF DOOM ain't SHIT. I even dig that shit he did under KMD and his features with 3rd Bass, but he ain't even in the same ballpark when we're talking about people with the influence of 2pac, Biggie, Rakim, Nas, Eminem, Jay Z, etc.
As for the topic at hand, Marshall Mathers LP still gets plenty of spins from me, but this is a no-brainer. It's 2pac. But 2pac definitely wouldn't have made it out of those rounds he did to get to this point, if it were up to me. The landslide victory over Biggie got me mad, no joke.
NipplesAndToes23
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Who the fuck puts Eminem against 2Pac?
When I think of iconic tracks, I think of One Mic, Rapper's Delight, The Message, Hard Knock Life, etc.
The closest thing to an "iconic' track by Em was Stan, because of the amazing story telling and the fact that it was a breakout hit compared to "Lose Youself" which was a good track, but easily forgettable compared to most hip hop songs.
Iconic tracks are remembered for ages for the right reasons and not just because it was a "hit" back in the day.
The closest thing to an "iconic' track by Em was Stan, because of the amazing story telling and the fact that it was a breakout hit compared to "Lose Youself" which was a good track, but easily forgettable compared to most hip hop songs.
Iconic tracks are remembered for ages for the right reasons and not just because it was a "hit" back in the day.
IrishNinja
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the heavily-modded Def Jam: Fight for GOAT game of my dreams
it also features Everlast and Henry Rollins' neck as trainers
There is a higher chance that you choose an average person on the steet and he/she remembers Lose Yourself over those songs but anyways I dont want to appeal to popularity as a measure of quality. We shall agree to disagree.
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