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[Sgt.Pepper]

Its good that they cut this. I think it was right were it needed to be with awakening. My younger cousins (10-13yrs) all play fire emblem and don't need to see this.

lmao are they going to be traumatized because of a minigame that show physical affection or someshit

if anything they are probably more open minded to this that you are being

 

[Ekid]

Which is why in another topic I've said FE4 was the peak and hasn't come close to being on par with it.

Well it wasn't Gunpei Yokoi last produced game for nothing.
Yes FE4 and 5 are most likely the highest point of the serie, but there were some good things in FE7, and the duology of Tellius was definitely a step in the right direction.

They were many things IS has done wrong with Awakening, but what I really can't forgive them for is how the gameplay was broken and unbalanced.
It seem like they switched priority at some point and forgot that gameplay was the central point of the serie and not waifu.

lol at the spoiler while saying no drugs, sooo different

Well the context isn't exactly the same in both case.

 

[RM8]

I don't understand how some of you people can take the stance I'm offended/creeped out by thing X thing cut it.

I can not stand censorship I does not matter how I feel about the thing in question.

Maybe we just think it's stupid. It's you people who must make this about being offended.

 

[Neiteio]

Tangential, but what about games with very clear divides in content? A prominent example is single player and multiplayer. I couldn't care less about the fact that GTA5 had online multiplayer and I probably wouldn't have had much fun with it, but I loved the single player story very much.

I think there is value in being able to disassociate elements in a game from each other, letting players pick the content they want to interact with and ignore the ones they don't.

That's a perfect example. I don't care for the multiplayer modes in many games and frankly get douche chills thinking about some of the personalities that frequent them, but I simply don't touch those modes and they're functionally nonexistent to me, so I see no need to wish they weren't there. I see their option on the menu and I ignore them, and that's that.

 

[SenorArdilla]

it isn't. you can basically pretend it doesn't exist.

Don't you need face-rubbing to get S-rank for some of the characters in the Nohr version (aka the version that doesn't let you grind supports outside of My Castle)?

 

[Gravidee]

Did they remove everything about the feature, or is the model viewer still intact?

 

[BroodShadow]

Maybe we just think it's stupid. It's you people who must make this about being offended.

I don't like it either it's blatant pandering but that by no means they should just cut it.

 

[Neiteio]

Did they remove everything about the feature, or is the model viewer still intact?

My understanding is you can only see the models in the brief support conversations. In effect, this game's model viewer, pokedex, etc., has been removed. All of those amazing character models and animations are no longer easily accessible. :-(

 

[Molemitts]

They should have cut out all the boring gameplay and story stuff and just left the petting thing in.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I personally find it's okay if they do cut the mode, but I'll be right disappointed if they cut the dialogue if it is in fact true that actual character development was removed.

 

[kuroneko0509]

Don't you need face-rubbing to get S-rank for some of the characters in the Nohr version (aka the version that doesn't let you grind supports outside of My Castle)?

no

people too hung up (is it the correct word?) at the minigame thinking it is crucial for support grind. it is not. (it's not like you can grind s-rank for non-kamui/corrin pairs using that minigame anyway)

 

[LouisaFerre]

I wouldn't mind if they replaced it with something better or made it so that it wasn't necessary but I fundamentally disagree with the idea that we should just get less of the game, in a way. It's really minor but still.

 

[captainpat]

Its good that they cut this. I think it was right were it needed to be with awakening. My younger cousins (10-13yrs) all play fire emblem and don't need to see this.

But that scene where the guy gets skewered with arrows is a-ok right?

 

[Haganeren]

Well it wasn't Gunpei Yokoi last produced game for nothing.
Yes FE4 and 5 are most likely the highest point of the serie, but there were some good things in FE7, and the duology of Tellius was definitely a step in the right direction.

They were many things IS has done wrong with Awakening, but what I really can't forgive them for is how the gameplay was broken and unbalanced.
It seem like they switched priority at some point and forgot that gameplay was the central point of the serie and not waifu.

Yeaaaah, because FE5 and its difficulty isn't broken at all. Absolutly not !

For a normal player like me, Awakening is totally fine, those combo you can found is only a consequence of the game having a lot more possibilities than before.

 

[Coffee Dog]

My problem is that I do feel like it's kind of disingenuous to say that content that is part of the game can or should just be ignored if it's not to your liking. If this was the a deleted scene that was tucked away on the extras disc, it would be silly of me to deride the inclusion of such bonus footage. But I feel like it's kind of akin to arguing that a scene in a film that's deemed not to work in editing shouldn't be cut from the Blu-Ray release seeing as how people can use the skip chapter feature if they really wanted to.

I realize this might seem a disingenuous comparison. However, I do think some care needs to be taken even in a medium like gaming to realize everything adds up to a whole. If -- and I realize this is a big if given the debate going on right now -- something is deemed to not work, I don't think you leave bad content in just because you can justify it as not necessary.

I mean ultimately, this is something that doesn't really work well when compared to films or books or music, because it is a problem (the problem being optional offensive content in a user crafted story) that is entirely unique to an interactive medium, and is why I think it's such an interesting conversation to have in the first place.

I understand your point with the parts adding up to the whole, but I think what makes this unique is that it is entirely the player's prerogative whether or not those parts even enter the equation (to continue using that particular turn of phrase). The parts may add up to the whole, but given that we have crafted our stories in different ways, my parts are ultimately not the same as yours. And I think that the ability to customize and alter stories to our personal taste is a big advantage with gaming in general, rather than a downside.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

I don't understand how some of you people can take the stance I'm offended/creeped out by thing X thing cut it.

I can not stand censorship I does not matter how I feel about the thing in question.

Can't speak for anyone else, but having grown up in a country where I can get arrested without trial for criticising the government, I can't help but laugh at people calling this fucking censorship.

 

[Draxal]

Man, I need to play the SFC games since I started on GBA. There's pretty much no legal way to play them in English, right?

Here's the thing ... 6/7 is the first games that were made after Kaga left the series, and there was definitely a different feeling and pushback from the older fans of the series compared to the 6/7 fans.

You could also try Tearring and Berwick Saga which are pretty much Fire Emblem 6/7 if they were done by Kaga instead of IS.

 

[L95]

Don't you need face-rubbing to get S-rank for some of the characters in the Nohr version (aka the version that doesn't let you grind supports outside of My Castle)?

No.

In Conquest you can still do streetpass battles, you just don't get exp, but support ranks still increase without exp.

 

[fernoca]

My problem is that I do feel like it's kind of disingenuous to say that content that is part of the game can or should just be ignored if it's not to your liking. If this was the a deleted scene that was tucked away on the extras disc, it would be silly of me to deride the inclusion of such bonus footage. But I feel like it's kind of akin to arguing that a scene in a film that's deemed not to work in editing shouldn't be cut from the Blu-Ray release seeing as how people can use the skip chapter feature if they really wanted to.

I realize this might seem a disingenuous comparison. However, I do think some care needs to be taken even in a medium like gaming to realize everything adds up to a whole. If -- and I realize this is a big if given the debate going on right now -- something is deemed to not work, I don't think you leave bad content in just because you can justify it as not necessary.

This is always my stance.

There was a ton of backlash and even posts in here using said petting as reasons as to why Nintendo ruined Fire Emblem.

So Nintendo decided to removed said stuff. This wasn't some random person that removed this just because, but the same company that made it.

People are quick to say stuff like "changing the original vision of an artist" when this is the same "artist" allowing and making this changes. Is not like Treehouse removed this and NoJ is crying and asking to please don't do it. If this was changed is because NoJ approved said change.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Can't speak for anyone else, but having grown up in a country where I can get arrested without trial for criticising the government, I can't help but laugh at people calling this fucking censorship.

that's just another rabbit hole, and this IS self-censorship regardless if you suffer from a greater form of censorship of human rights.

 

[captainpat]

Can't speak for anyone else, but having grown up in a country where I can get arrested without trial for criticising the government, I can't help but laugh at people calling this fucking censorship.

I'm pretty sure those people also think that is censorship as well.

 

[Warxard]

I don't understand how some of you people can take the stance I'm offended/creeped out by thing X thing cut it.

I can not stand censorship I does not matter how I feel about the thing in question.

good thing it doesn't matter for the devs either. Publisher's IP, their choice

 

[Haganeren]

This is always my stance.

There was a ton of backlash and even posts in here using said petting as reasons as to why Nintendo ruined Fire Emblem.

So Nintendo decided to removed said stuff. This wasn't some random person that removed this just because, but the same company that made it.

People are quick to say stuff like "changing the original vision of an artist" when this is the same "artist" allowing and making this changes. Is not like Treehouse removed this and NoJ is crying and asking to please don't do it. If this was changed is because NoJ approved said change.

Well, we don't really know, it's Intelligent System which makes the game, not Nintendo. And even if it was Nintendo, it could have been a department from Nintendo to another.

The original version of the artist is still changed in either case.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

This is always my stance.

There was a ton of backlash and even posts in here using said petting as reasons as to why Nintendo ruined Fire Emblem.

So Nintendo decided to removed said stuff. This wasn't some random person that removed this just because, but the same company that made it.

People are quick to say stuff like "changing the original vision of an artist" when this is the same "artist" allowing and making this changes. Is not like Treehouse removed this and NoJ is crying and asking to please don't do it. If this was changed is because NoJ approved said change.

Well, there's the fact that I haven't seen many arguments referring to "artistic integrity" in this thread but, besides that, I'm really not sure what you're saying is accurate. I don't think the people who implemented the petting mechanic in Fates are the same people who decided or even agreed to remove it for localization.

 

[Basketball]

2016

 

[RM8]

Here's the thing ... 6/7 is the first games that were made after Kaga left the series, and there was definitely a different feeling and pushback from the older fans of the series compared to the 6/7 fans.

You could also try Tearring and Berwick Saga which are pretty much Fire Emblem 6/7 if they were done by Kaga instead of IS.

I played a bit of Tear Ring Saga and I found it a bit tedious

 

[BroodShadow]

Can't speak for anyone else, but having grown up in a country where I can get arrested without trial for criticising the government, I can't help but laugh at people calling this fucking censorship.

How is this not censorship? NOA is cutting a part of the game They don't feel is right for their audience regardless if it hurts artist's original intent.

 

[YianGaruga]

Maybe we just think it's stupid. It's you people who must make this about being offended.

I think it's pretty stupid. I'd still like to use it though, because why not. I love silly stuff in videogames.

Something being "stupid" is no reason to remove it.

 

[Chorazin]

Can't speak for anyone else, but having grown up in a country where I can get arrested without trial for criticising the government, I can't help but laugh at people calling this fucking censorship.

Yeah, I really hate that people call this censorship. Nintendo owns it, they can alter it as they see fit for the region they are selling it to. It's not like Obama is screaming "NINTENDO, STOP THE TOUCHING OF WAIFUS AND HUSBANDOS, OR ELSE!"

 

[SenorArdilla]

No.

In Conquest you can still do streetpass battles, you just don't get exp, but support ranks still increase without exp.

You can get streetpass battles from spotpass as well, right?

 

[Neiteio]

This is always my stance.

There was a ton of backlash and even posts in here using said petting as reasons as to why Nintendo ruined Fire Emblem.

So Nintendo decided to removed said stuff. This wasn't some random person that removed this just because, but the same company that made it.

People are quick to say stuff like "changing the original vision of an artist" when this is the same "artist" allowing and making this changes. Is not like Treehouse removed this and NoJ is crying and asking to please don't do it. If this was changed is because NoJ approved said change.

Nintendo, the business, is willingly making these changes because they feel it will make it easier to sell the game.

But the creators who thought this petting mode was a worthwhile inclusion, and the artists and animators that poured a lot of heart and soul into modeling and animating all of these characters? Kind of sucks for them.

I imagine it feels odd to see large swathes of their work removed in other regions, and for the people there to not get the full experience they designed.

 

[Andrew J.]

But that scene where the guy gets skewered with arrows is a-ok right?

Of course. Children's stories are, and have always been, very violent.

 

[Paracelsus]

Persona 3 and 4 have shit dungeons, Fire Emblem actually has above average tactics gameplay.

I meant the fact that both series owe the glorified dating sim aspect a lot, and neither would be here today if it wasn't for that, but many fans loathe to admit it and like to believe Persona 4 is this greatest-of-all-time contender because of [...].

 

[RM8]

I think it's pretty stupid. I'd still like to use it though, because why not. I love silly stuff in videogames.

Something being "stupid" is no reason to remove it.

It is if its removal makes the product more palatable for your target audience. We're talking about commercial, focus tested software that is being sold by a huge company.

 

[Ekai]

Can't speak for anyone else, but having grown up in a country where I can get arrested without trial for criticising the government, I can't help but laugh at people calling this fucking censorship.

This is always my stance.

There was a ton of backlash and even posts in here using said petting as reasons as to why Nintendo ruined Fire Emblem.

So Nintendo decided to removed said stuff. This wasn't some random person that removed this just because, but the same company that made it.

People are quick to say stuff like "changing the original vision of an artist" when this is the same "artist" allowing and making this changes. Is not like Treehouse removed this and NoJ is crying and asking to please don't do it. If this was changed is because NoJ approved said change.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

 

[SliceSabre]

My problem is that I do feel like it's kind of disingenuous to say that content that is part of the game can or should just be ignored if it's not to your liking. If this was the a deleted scene that was tucked away on the extras disc, it would be silly of me to deride the inclusion of such bonus footage. But I feel like it's kind of akin to arguing that a scene in a film that's deemed not to work in editing shouldn't be cut from the Blu-Ray release seeing as how people can use the skip chapter feature if they really wanted to.

I realize this might seem a disingenuous comparison. However, I do think some care needs to be taken even in a medium like gaming to realize everything adds up to a whole. If -- and I realize this is a big if given the debate going on right now -- something is deemed to not work, I don't think you leave bad content in just because you can justify it as not necessary.

I think a better analogy is someone going to an amusement park and in that amusement park there is a ride that you do not like but never have to engage or get on it.

I mean I don't consider the amusement park less simply because there was a ride there I didn't like and chose not to ride. But I would never advocate they get ride of the ride simply because I do not like it.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Can't speak for anyone else, but having grown up in a country where I can get arrested without trial for criticising the government, I can't help but laugh at people calling this fucking censorship.

People call localization changes censorship, it's something that the gaming community has done for years. See: Fallout 3, L4D2, TF2, editing out crosses, alcohol, blood, etc

Everyone knows what everyone else means when they call this censorship. Semantics be damned.

 

[captainpat]

It is if its removal makes the product more palatable for your target audience. We're talking about commercial, focus tested software that is being sold by a huge company.

We don't know why it was removed.

 

[jonjonaug]

My problem is that I do feel like it's kind of disingenuous to say that content that is part of the game can or should just be ignored if it's not to your liking. If this was the a deleted scene that was tucked away on the extras disc, it would be silly of me to deride the inclusion of such bonus footage. But I feel like it's kind of akin to arguing that a scene in a film that's deemed not to work in editing shouldn't be cut from the Blu-Ray release seeing as how people can use the skip chapter feature if they really wanted to.

I realize this might seem a disingenuous comparison. However, I do think some care needs to be taken even in a medium like gaming to realize everything adds up to a whole. If -- and I realize this is a big if given the debate going on right now -- something is deemed to not work, I don't think you leave bad content in just because you can justify it as not necessary.

Games are art, but they also aren't sculptures or movies. You can have content that only some people will like or do in it and not ruin the whole if it's only optional.

Most people probably didn't like or play through the fishing minigame or sidequests in Nier, and it's hard to call them good. Does the existence of those things ruin the work as a whole?

I think a better analogy is someone going to an amusement park and in that amusement park there is a ride that they do not like but never have to engage or get on it.

I mean I don't consider the amusement park less simply because there was a ride there I didn't like and chose not to ride. But I would never advocate they get ride of the ride simply because I do not like it.

This is also a good analogy.

 

[G.ZZZ]

My husbandos ;_;

 

[Coffee Dog]

It is if its removal makes the product more palatable for your target audience. We're talking about commercial, focus tested software that is being sold by a huge company.

you can still marry 1000 year old dragons, the game is still anime as fuck.

How does this one change undo that?

 

[RM8]

We don't know why it was removed.

It probably wasn't to make the product -less- palatable for their target audience

you can still marry 1000 year old dragons, the game is still anime as fuck.

How does this one change undo that?

Some change > no change at all.

 

[Ekai]

I meant the fact that both series owe the glorified dating sim aspect a lot, and neither would be here today if it wasn't for that, but many fans loathe to admit it and like to believe Persona 4 is this greatest-of-all-time contender because of [...].

I miss old Persona honestly. P3P was still good largely cause of how well done the female protagonist was.....P4 is....yea. It really embraced the dating sim stuff, that's for sure. I don't mind dating games, I have one or two otome myself. But just....I really couldn't get into the story or characters. A shame Persona largely found it's success cause of the added dating/pandering elements at the cost of other features. Especially in regards to all the spin-offs.

 

[CrackPebbles]

Seemed like a silly harmless minigame I would have liked to try out. Sucks to hear its removed.

 

[Lumination]

Nintendo, the business, is willingly making these changes because they feel it will make it easier to sell the game.

But the creators who thought this petting mode was a worthwhile inclusion, and the artists and animators that poured a lot of heart and soul into modeling and animating all of these characters? Kind of sucks for them.

I imagine it feels odd to see large swathes of their work removed in other regions, and for the people there to not get the full experience they designed.

IMO this angle of the discussion is pointless on both sides.

We don't know why Nintendo cut the content. Could be price of VO, Western sensibilities, some combination of both, etc.

Likewise, we don't know that the developers actually wanted it. Sure, they could say they did in some interview, but that's also just unreliable PR. It's just as realistic to say that to try to capture the lightning in the bottle that was Awakening, NCL pressured the creators to double down on the stuff. You also don't know if the artists poured their heart and soul into anything.

 

[Kinsei]

you can still marry 1000 year old dragons, the game is still anime as fuck.

How does this one change undo that?

There are no loli manaketes in this game to my knowledge.

 

[Shouta]

I played a bit of Tear Ring Saga and I found it a bit tedious

You're nuts. Tear Ring is great

 

[deadeyekiwi]

lmao are they going to be traumatized because of a minigame that show physical affection or someshit

if anything they are probably more open minded to this that you are being

I don't think there is a problem with portraying a loving relationship of any sorts, but this isn't a tasteful way of doing it. Making a minigame where you rub a person's face till they open up trivializes relationships, which should really happen in a t rated game. There's nothing wrong with this being your thing, but there's a time and a place.

 

[YianGaruga]

It is if its removal makes the product more palatable for your target audience. We're talking about commercial, focus tested software that is being sold by a huge company.

You're changing the subject. Nintendo didn't remove it because it was "stupid". "Stupid" things don't make games more or less palatable for your audience. There is either a cost or a cultural factor here. Or both.

You said that "maybe we just think it's stupid". Not Nintendo.
You seem awfully happy about someone removing something that you just think is "stupid".

 

[captainpat]

It probably wasn't to make the product -less- palatable for their target audience

Maybe, but lets not use made up reasons to try to prove our point.