DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thanks for the update. Shame it was not held a little longer so it could have launched with this state, but at least it is hopefully a fix.
Firewatch's PS4 performance is terrible
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Sounds like they were able to address a lot more than I expected and even sooner than I expected.
I'd really love a list of those. I've played dozens upon dozens of Unity games, and all of the large-scale ones have some issues.
The only ones which are somewhat large-scale and mostly free of issues that I can think of off-hand are Ori and Assault Android Cactus. The former is 2D, the latter has very limited environments, and both had their developers spend a very considerable amount of time tuning for smooth performance.
Yes, no engine is perfect, but I can't say I've noticed as endemic an intermittent stuttering problem in any other widely used engine as I have in Unity.
I really don't like the environment artist's response to the backlash. I'm sorry that you had to work hard for less money for two years and faced hardship in your personal life but that doesn't change that the product you released wasn't ready for consumption in some people's eyes and they feel they want a refund.
Summer Haze
Banned
UE3 is also fairly awful at streaming data, but not every game makes use of the feature.
Yeah it feels like guilt tripping the buyers in a way.
If your game behaves like an eary access/beta game then maybe take your time and fix those before releasing? Especially since they invested so much into making it happen.
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
i'm not sure that was the point of the post?
Messofanego
Banned
Where is this coming from?
Oh right, found it. http://steamcommunity.com/app/383870/discussions/0/412446890557047927/#c412446890557147384
I don't see anything about "guilt tripping the buyers"...
So yes, I am sad when people think this game is not worth the money we asked for (which we thought was a fair ask). It makes me feel like I failed them. It is ok if people don't like the game, but it affects me personally a lot, when people feel like it was not -worth- the time they engaged with it.
But do I blame you for wanting to get the most out of your $18? No. I don't know your financial circumstances. $18 might be a lot. Or even it isn't a lot, why shouldnt' you try to get the most out of it? That's a fair desire. That's why we asked for $18 too, because money is something we could all use more of.
So I supopse in conclusion, if you do refund, I am not upset. It's on me to learn not to care too much. All I ask is that maybe sometime in the future, when the game goes on mega dirt cheap sale, you could gift tthe experience to someone else you think will enjoy it like you did.
Sincerely,
Jane
But do I blame you for wanting to get the most out of your $18? No. I don't know your financial circumstances. $18 might be a lot. Or even it isn't a lot, why shouldnt' you try to get the most out of it? That's a fair desire. That's why we asked for $18 too, because money is something we could all use more of.
So I supopse in conclusion, if you do refund, I am not upset. It's on me to learn not to care too much. All I ask is that maybe sometime in the future, when the game goes on mega dirt cheap sale, you could gift tthe experience to someone else you think will enjoy it like you did.
Sincerely,
Jane
holygeesus
Banned
Even Oxenfree works my system far more than it should, given the scale and look of the game. It expends my GPU more than Dying Light maxed out!
Some people who might be reading about those hardships would feel inclined to support nonetheless.
There are replies to that tweet saying "After reading this I bought the game on PS4".
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
to quote (see the linked post above for the full thing)
This isn't guilt tripping, it's a fairly open-hearted response to hearing people were so disappointed with the game that they want their money back. It doesn't vilify anyone.
Jane Ng said:
This isn't guilt tripping, it's a fairly open-hearted response to hearing people were so disappointed with the game that they want their money back. It doesn't vilify anyone.
I didn't see it as guilt tripping, that was the other user. However, the least you could do is quote the entire post instead of cutting the part the other user was clearly referring to...
Messofanego
Banned
Makes Anita sound like some criminal lol.
These gators are so obvious in their agenda.
Sorry for my random post, I didn't realise there were Gaters in the thread looking for ammunition.
The reason I don't like it is because 90% of people (including myself) have been clear about why they're disappointed with game in regards to its technical performance and feel like they didn't get their money's worth (I'm assuming that's what her post is about). But she goes on to say how they worked so hard and they weren't sure if anyone was gonna like their game etc. She was the environment artist, her work (and Olly's) is probably what I enjoyed most about the game.
She's just saying what it is rather than why it is. I LIKED the game, quite a bit (despite a little disappointing end) but if she just explained "We were rushed by Sony", "We couldn't afford a proper QA Phase", whatever! I just feel that's better than explaining all of what she did.
The reason I don't like it is because 90% of people (including myself) have been clear about why they're disappointed with game in regards to its technical performance and feel like they didn't get their money's worth (I'm assuming that's what her post is about). But she goes on to say how they worked so hard and they weren't sure if anyone was gonna like their game etc. She was the environment artist, her work (and Olly's) is probably what I enjoyed most about the game.
She's just saying what it is rather than why it is. I LIKED the game, quite a bit (despite a little disappointing end) but if she just explained "We were rushed by Sony", "We couldn't afford a proper QA Phase", whatever! I just feel that's better than explaining all of what she did.
That was a quote from the Steam community page, not this thread.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Yes, that person actually finished the game, but then considered getting a refund because they felt it was too short, not because if any technical problems. Which is quite different, IMO, from the considerations of this thread.
All games have issues to some extent but I don't think these games had more issues than any other game, however maybe my memory is flawed.
Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty!
RollerCoaster Tycoon World
Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft
Never Alone
Cities: Skylines
Grow Home
The Forest
Might & Magic X: Legacy
Slender: The Arrival
Rust
Well, a writer of Firewatch is Sean Vanaman, who is a friend of Anita Sarkeesian, so I'm sure that any "input" isn't a part of some nefarious make believe conspiracy theory. But it really cracks me up that people are actually upset about something they don't know the slightest detail about.
From what I played of these M&MX is a prime example for Durante's point and Hearthstone's performance is super rough for what it does as well.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed. People have to put the shoe on the other foot sometimes, and drop the always, "us vs. them" mentality that seems to plague gaming when it comes to gamers vs. devs.
Not saying anyone in here specifically is in that mindset, but ever since the dawn of the internet, and dev interaction, I noticed the last 20 years of "us vs. them" starting to develop amongst some people, where anything a developer says that can be genuine, seems to be taken with, "they are out to get us, or the like" mentality.
Seemed like a genuine response to me.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Lost all hype because of this shitshow, might grab it from a sale down the road.
JRW
Member
It runs great on PC tho so there has to be some room for optimization on PS4.
Freeman76
Member
So true man, well said.
Garrett Hawke
Member
lmao @ the Anita Sarkeesian complaint
I guess that person won't be buying any games from Bungie, Ubisoft, or any of the other many studios Anita has been to lmao
I guess that person won't be buying any games from Bungie, Ubisoft, or any of the other many studios Anita has been to lmao
Oppo
Member
Cities: Skylines? that's Unity and i thought it performed well.
Personally i think Unity being a bit behind for console optimization is part of it (was 4.6 till recently!) but midleware is a culprit as well. not just for Unity but all games.
outunderthestars
Banned
Noisepurge
Member
Yeah im blasting through this as well, really good. Too bad the patches won't be here in time. Had one crash during a Day -loading screen. Framerate is pretty janky but i've just accepted to live with it.
It is ok. I wouldn't call it good by any stretch though.
dragonfart28
Banned
To be fair, all she did was give Delilah some vocal fry.
petethepanda
Member
Cool to see they're improving some visual elements and whatnot but yeah, I'm only really concerned with the framerate.
It's a shame there aren't refunds on PS4, if it were possible I'd happily refund this and go buy it on Steam instead. If I had a bit more wiggle room financially I'd go buy it on Steam right now, honestly, I'm dying to play it.
It's a shame there aren't refunds on PS4, if it were possible I'd happily refund this and go buy it on Steam instead. If I had a bit more wiggle room financially I'd go buy it on Steam right now, honestly, I'm dying to play it.
Those performances issues are all on the dev + time and money given by the publisher and nothing else. Unity is a competent engine as most other popular tools. Its all about making the right choices and coding your game right. No excuses there.
Anyhow, I am glad to have seen this thread before buying. Looks like I'll play this on PC or something.
Anyhow, I am glad to have seen this thread before buying. Looks like I'll play this on PC or something.
You should buy it, it's amazing. I've seen worst performances, not that it's good, it's just a bit blown out of proportion IMO. (I play with auto-save off).
They are also improving performance on the PS4 not just the visual elements. Also alot of the frame problems has to do with the aggressive autosaving. The dev said disabling that would improve performance slightly right now.
This all really sucks, the game was shaping up to be so good a few years ago back when it was first revealed, but it turned out to be really fucking linear and kinda boring. I was sad when I was getting to the end ~2.5 - 3 hours in and I could feel it ending, right after the story really started.
At least it played really really really well on PC.
At least it played really really really well on PC.
Nice. You can see the shadow detail drop off completely in far too short a distance on PS4.
Ninja Scooter
Member
nice to see it being patched but the problem is I'll probably be done with the game before it hits.
DSP's game takes a crap. World is completely glitched out, restarting doesn't fix it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QAlWt0yNZM
lul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QAlWt0yNZM
lul
That Brown Guy
Member
Really want to play more of this but I want to wait for the patch! Urgh.