While not mentioned in the details, she refers to him at John in all the dialog now, and John has also gotten on the sarcasm train.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
First Halo 4 GI information (Spartan OPs, multi, etc) [Update: Campaign/More Details]
- Thread starter Demoncarnotaur
- Start date
While not mentioned in the details, she refers to him at John in all the dialog now, and John has also gotten on the sarcasm train.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
But Cortana has already gotten inside of John.
Portugeezer
Member
What about when you join in progress to a losing team or a game which is already ending? Not much fun there, in fact it's worse for me because if people quit at least you have an excuse for not winning, if you join a losing game (which is usually the case, losers rage quit, leaves an empty slot for the losing team how great)... well that just sucks balls.
This is great reasoning.
While not mentioned in the details, she refers to him at John in all the dialog now, and John has also gotten on the sarcasm train.
In fairness, the dialogue seems very consistent with how the pair have always interacted in the novels. It's 343's goal to bring the series more in line with the novels, and in this respect I think it'd be harsh to criticise them. The Master Chief isn't just a shell as the first three games seem to imply, and I'm glad the other side of him is finally being told.
How deeply would you say the novels explore verboten love between AI constructs and robotmen?
Guess I'll have to dig up posts I made a few months back on why random, timed weapon spawns are a good thing:
Halo? Well, the meat of it is some extraeneous element that is difficult to keep tabs on and not very interesting.
Competitive gaming is as much about skill as it is it's ability to be entertaining for spectators.
Watching people scramble to adapt to a new situation like a sniper drop pod makes for a much better (and understandable) spectator element than coach timers.
DOTA's rune spawns.
Halo? Well, the meat of it is some extraeneous element that is difficult to keep tabs on and not very interesting.
Competitive gaming is as much about skill as it is it's ability to be entertaining for spectators.
Watching people scramble to adapt to a new situation like a sniper drop pod makes for a much better (and understandable) spectator element than coach timers.
DOTA's rune spawns.
SP sounds great and hopefully will produce that sense of mystery and discovery found in the first Halo. Campaign shots look gorgeous, but they all seem like they are taken from FUD level, I hope the levels open up once you land on the planet.
MP? Not sounding quite as good so far. I'll keep an open mind until I play it but some things do concern me. The random weapon spawn for example, I understand how it can encourage players to explore and use more of the map, but bungie has always balanced power weapons with risk vs reward. Power weapons were generally placed in areas that would leave you open and vulnerable unlike your standard weapons. It's these key points of balance that I hope are not lost. I'm also not happy that firefight isn't returning, curious to see is Spartan ops is a good replacement.
In the end I play halo more for the campaign and co-op so I'm happy with the info for the most part.
MP? Not sounding quite as good so far. I'll keep an open mind until I play it but some things do concern me. The random weapon spawn for example, I understand how it can encourage players to explore and use more of the map, but bungie has always balanced power weapons with risk vs reward. Power weapons were generally placed in areas that would leave you open and vulnerable unlike your standard weapons. It's these key points of balance that I hope are not lost. I'm also not happy that firefight isn't returning, curious to see is Spartan ops is a good replacement.
In the end I play halo more for the campaign and co-op so I'm happy with the info for the most part.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
It would be amazing if they have an opining that's a montage of the story so far,from Fall of Reach (novel canon) all the way to 3, telling players stuff like how the Spartan program got it's soldiers and about the terrorists they were made to fight, little details the games never touch upon.
The Covenant talking the place of the Flood (3rd fighting force) would work well, and mean even less reasons for the flood (who suck shit) to be in the game at all.
Probably not deep enough for your tastes.
An epilogue is mentioned in the article, and it would be cool like you say if they summed up some points from the books rather than the just the games.
Dare I say triple entendre?
therealminime
Member
I'm going to withhold judgement on the multiplayer info until I see it in action, but the campaign stuff sounds super cool.
I lost count. Joke grenade. Shrapnel everywhere.
it really does, but its odd that it sounds like the opening level is completely different then what the CG reveal trailer showed...
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Yeah, No Armor Lock! WTH?
Yeah, man. That's some rough news to hear. And with no Firefight, I'll beat the Campaign and then the disc will just go back in the case and sit on the shelf beside the other Halos. At least I'm gonna get some eye candy.
The water better move when I run through it/shoot it, 343!
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Is it explained in the novels why Elites would even be back in the Covenant? I thought they all left it by Halo 3.
The article implies that this is a lost fleet of Covenant from some time in the past, or at least non standard in some way.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
These Elites are dressed different, so maybe they're rouge like the ones in the Arbiters first mission (who also had grunts w/ them).
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
You'll have a weekly reason to come back to it for several months.
Anyway, one thing that's been lost in all the multiplayer talk is the announcement of new enemies with apparently more advanced AI than the Covenant. I'm really interested in seeing how this pans out, enemy AI is one of the main reasons why Halo is so dear to me.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I loled at that too, but in the pictures she does look very similar to her Halo 3 self. if anything she looks a bit more solid and less holography.
Also, Frankies reply to a Cortana/Chief romance:
Zomba13
Member
If you join a losing team just as it's about to lose then you also have an excuse for not winning. Anyway, it shouldn't be about winning, it should be ablout having fun shooting dudes. Does it really matter if you lose? What if you get match made and are with a bunch of idiots who don't know how to play?
Anyway, with this there really shouldn't be many teams losing due to lack of players. Halo is damn popular online, the empty slot would get taken pretty quickly. Someone rage quits and gets replaced by a new dude. That dude is a little baby and quits because he doesn't want to lose? That spot gets refilled quickly.
Actually I HATED the abilities in Reach, killed the whole multiplayer for me, single player was great but god did I hate the multiplayer. Give me halo 3 multiplayer ANY day
personally glad hardcore Halo fans are concerned by what they are reading....I really want Halo 4 to be different and 343 to define their own game instead of simply copying what Bungie did.
I understand the stance of being concerned about making changes simply because they can but frankly Halo needs freshening up, Reach Multiplayer showed that even if it was most refined MP experience of all the games it felt somewhat stale.
I understand the stance of being concerned about making changes simply because they can but frankly Halo needs freshening up, Reach Multiplayer showed that even if it was most refined MP experience of all the games it felt somewhat stale.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I always wanted to tap Cortana. Thank you 343i.
GOTG for me.
Bungie never even allowed me to become best bros with Durandal.
GOTG for me.
Bungie never even allowed me to become best bros with Durandal.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Random spawns being misinterpreted sounds like weapons might just be on cycles, like Gears.
Honestly, I'll believe them when they give a 100% straight denial/make 100% completely unambiguous statements on both issues.
Monocle
Member
So about Spartan Ops: Do we get to keep and replay the missions forever after they're released, or will they magically disappear from our hard drives as the new batch is rolled out each week? This talk of "seasons" has me worried.
If the missions are permanent, that means lots more speedrunning goodness to look forward to, which is a huge plus for me.
On a different note, assuming Firefight really isn't returning, I might consider forgiving 343 if Infinity can use its holodeck to magick up some nostalgia missions in settings from older Halo games. I would cover my entire block in churned man cream if I got to play a nighttime ODST mission in Halo 4. Can you even imagine?
If the missions are permanent, that means lots more speedrunning goodness to look forward to, which is a huge plus for me.
On a different note, assuming Firefight really isn't returning, I might consider forgiving 343 if Infinity can use its holodeck to magick up some nostalgia missions in settings from older Halo games. I would cover my entire block in churned man cream if I got to play a nighttime ODST mission in Halo 4. Can you even imagine?
CrazedArabMan
Member
I know this is your opinion, but that statement just drives me crazy when I read that, change is not always for the better. I felt the changes within Reach messed a lot of things up compared to 3. You can't just eliminate the hardcore base either for new players all the time, unfortunately that seems to be a trend these days with developers that I don't particularly care for at all.
Now it will be nice if we have this new updated Halo 4 MP along with a more classic setting (not Halo Reach classic mode). I'm talking more along the lines of a Halo 2/3 style mode instead. I also don't agree with people saying, "If you like Halo 3, go play that", I mean come on, there are things that newer games do right that makes going back to older games somewhat stale plus you don't have as many people playing it as well. Having the two different settings would be nice, only draw back is separating the community even more, but with a game like Halo, it has enough fans to support that idea.
I have my trust you Frankie, let me get that feeling of playing Halo I had back when 3 was out, the sense of amazing MP battles and the like.
You're certainly fighting grunts and elites in the first level, but it says in the text that the level is intended to ease players back into the familiar feel of Halo, before completely turning the experience on its head when you land on requiem.
If they're introducing a whole new caste of enemies and new weapons / vehicles for that race (likely forerunners) I can't imagine the covenant presence will be significant. Imagine the size of the weapon sandbox if all of the covenant and human weapons return with the forerunner weapons! It seems like only the covenant carbine (elites), plasma sword (elites) and plasma pistol are returning according to the scans, and I'd assume this will be it.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
One of the captions says that Spartan Ops content won't expire and players who join in at a later date will be able to catch up on the story.
Elginer
Member
While not mentioned in the details, she refers to him at John in all the dialog now, and John has also gotten on the sarcasm train.
Choochoo. I like it!
Diprosalic
Banned
pretty much everything so far sounds terrible. i feared that 343 will not get halo or MS trying to change halo into CoD and so far it seems i was right.
BattleMonkey
Member
Always funny to see the constant backlash at any type of changes done to Halo MP. Though the instant respawns does sound like crap.
FateBreaker
Member
I trust Frankie.
Elginer
Member
This. Bless you 343. Kings among wo(men). Can't wait to see this thing in motion. Game graphically looks in-fucking-sane looking at those screens. I can only imagine what it looks like in motion.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Monocle
Member
Yeah, but "catch up on the story" could mean "shitty recap video, lololol sux4u latecomers." Maybe. I'm hoping this is cleared up in the podcast.
FateBreaker
Member
OK, I am stlll waiting for my issue to arrive in the mail, but since seeing all the scans now...
There is no hyperbole to Reiner's statement: jaw is dropped.
There is no hyperbole to Reiner's statement: jaw is dropped.
KaiserBecks
Member
What the hell? Why are they ditching Firefight? Screw you, 343.
inb4ducksdon'thavesex
Demoncarnotaur
Member
^remove the scan
Similar threads
- x2