I can't think of levels in previous games that dont have you taking out a target. Apart from the tuitorals.
First Hitman: Absolution reviews hit
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I can't think of levels in previous games that dont have you taking out a target. Apart from the tuitorals.
Dyni Crippler
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Pretty sure every mission in Contracts was about assassinations.
NEOPARADIGM
Banned
So basically you're gonna wait to pay five bucks for this or not buy it all? Why on earth are you still here then? Honest question.
Not telling you where or how to post, just strikes me odd, like being the #1 poster in a thread about a tv show you don't watch.
Off the top of my head, I recall that 'Hidden Valley', 'At the Gates' and 'Graveyard Shift' from Hitman 2 had no targets.
DukeBobby is definitely closer to the truth, and I've seen very few people, if anyone, say "This game is going to be awesome". People sound cautiously optimistic at best, blind with rage at worst.
keltickennedy
Member
I got to play it for a bit today. For people thinking its going to be anything like Blood Money are going to be disappointed. That does not mean it is a bad game.
Is Derrick going to hate it? Yes.
Is Derrick going to hate it? Yes.
LeadenStride
Member
Asylum Aftermath wasn't. It was just an escape.
I'm a big Hitman and stealth fan that's why. The fact the game is steamworks on PC will mean I won't have to wait too long to get it at a good price. I can already get it for $33 through GMG and the game is only going to get cheaper.
Dyni Crippler
Member
Oh, right.
How is it not like a Hitman game? The honest truth is, I didn't know what a Hitman game was until I played BM the 5th time through. The first few times required a lot of collateral damage, high notoriety. By the 3rd and on playthrough I was getting silent assassin, finding unique ways to take down targets, finishing missions w/o changing suits, taking multiple targets at once by memorizing movement patterns. I don't think anyone can get a really good impression of this game unless they know every nook, crevice, and pattern of every NPC character of this game.
Best example in BM, did you know you could complete the final mission with a single RU-AP mine positioned correctly the first time you played it?
Yes, it is more linear than arguably the most non-linear mission in the series.
This still does not mean the mission is linear, it still has plenty of ways to approach it (as I mentioned in my earlier post).
Revolutionary
Member
It was essentially a tutorial, though.. so I don't think that really counts.
LeadenStride
Member
Well, there is a tutorial in the hideout and there aren't really any instructions given during the mission, which is on top a quite challenging one.
Sure, the forced checkpoints remove some elements of exploration that were present in the earlier games, but I do think it's a little unfair to say that Absolution is not built around the concept of exploration, based on this one mission. You can still explore all of the various rooms, put on a wider variety of disguises and progress either using stealth and brute force. Isn't this what made Hitman so good in the first place? I agree, I am also a little disappointed by the checkpoints, but breaking the missions down into smaller chunks does not make the game totally linear, just more so than the previous games.
Also, we knew from the very beginning that IO were not trying to recreate the earlier games with Absolution. From what I've seen so far, they have streamlined the game to appeal to a wider audience, whilst retaining most of the elements that made the series so great in the first place. You only have to look at the King of Chinatown and Streets of Hope missions to see this.
EDIT: For anybody interested, PC Gamer scans are up on the Hitman Forum.
Couldn't the forced checkpoints be considered separate mini-missions in a chapter? You know, like how the first two games had missions where your gear and stuff carried over to the next area, but your attire and enemy awareness did not.
Yeah, this PC Gamer review is really troubling. I'll wait to see what Giant Bomb says about it, but this can't be good. If only 25% of the missions end in a kill that you get to determine the means to, that's awful. I enjoyed Splinter Cell Conviction in spite of the fact that it wasn't Splinter Cell. I'm hoping I'll enjoy this even though it sounds as though it won't be Hitman. If it's still a serviceable stealth game that will suffice.
Hopefully Contracts mode allows us to turn some of the more linear, story-oriented levels into proper Hitman levels. I'm thinking of getting Dishonored in hope of getting my classic Hitman/Thief style fix if this disappoints.
Hopefully Contracts mode allows us to turn some of the more linear, story-oriented levels into proper Hitman levels. I'm thinking of getting Dishonored in hope of getting my classic Hitman/Thief style fix if this disappoints.
anatomyhorror
Banned
Yeah I bet they can't wait to get your $10 when it goes on a big steam sale.
Some reviews have mentioned 15+ hours. It really depends on your playstyle and all. If you want perfection, it can take a long time, but if you play it like Max Payne it's a far shorter title.
Conviction is a legit bad game, it throws away a legacy of a smart stealth franchise only to poorly execute on it's new vision of "We wished we design the Bourne game."
Also coming in here to say that Hitman: Contracts still holds up. Sometimes the AI is really dumb, but you get to smother an old dude with a pillow. pretty great stuff.
The AI in Contracts is very good, as I keep getting my shit kicked in on Professional. I'm not sure if the previous games did this on harder settings, but your accuracy goes straight through the floor with some firearms on Pro. Uzi's are the worst. ;A;
So they've accepted the review's real now?
SonicVolcano
Member
I never doubted this score and review as a whole to be honest. Does it hurt? No. It's just his opinion. I'm not affected by this at all.
From what I've seen of the third mission,
there appears to be health cabinets you can use to refill health.
Doctor Decimate
Member
you know those missions where you don't assassinate people? the ones everyone is complaining about?
THEY WERE IN HITMAN 2
jesus, no wonder everyone praises that game. they don't fucking remember it.
THEY WERE IN HITMAN 2
jesus, no wonder everyone praises that game. they don't fucking remember it.
Dyni Crippler
Member
They were also pretty boring levels.
Replayed it recently. I actually liked it more than Silent Assassin. The first three or so levels were pretty boring for me, but then it becomes amazing. The final level is GOOD.
Just because it abandons it's legacy doesn't automatically make it a bad game. I haven't even played conviction for more than 5 mins but it can still be a good game despite abandoning the ideas used in earlier entries in the series.
Dyni Crippler
Member
I somewhat enjoyed it, but it's a deeply flawed game itself, not just as a Splinter Cell.
angular graphics
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Sure. But unfortunately it's not. Conviction is just a "bad" game. Not terrible, but it doesn't do anything particularly good.
SonicVolcano
Member
All I know is that I'm trying not to compare it to its six year old predecessor. I don't find that realistic, since we moved a generation and we knew Absolution would be totally different. Somehow I see the campaign as a new style of Hitman and Contracts mode as the classic Hitman. A bit of both, a bit of everything. Yeah.
i got it on a steam sale for 5 and to the day i still regret it
.. it's just.....not..... splinter cell...That's it. The problem with this game is not that it's not a proper Splinter Cell, but it's not even a fantastic action game at all.
That said I enjoyed it, in spite of the terribly optimized PC port.
SonicVolcano
Member
Those guard remarks cracked me up, though.
"Fuck me!"
"I know you're here Fisher, it's just a matter of time."
"Come out and fight like a man!"
Dyni Crippler
Member
Point is, the series has been going towards its objective from game to game. The series always improved in quality until Blood Money, where they finally reached the liberty they wanted to achieve. Now it's like going two games back.
Also, as I said, I try to judge games on their own. This one, so far, looks bad on its own too.
Doctor Decimate
Member
of course they were. but this outcry that it's abandoning series tradition or bastardizing the Hitman franchise is grade-A bullshit.
Dyni Crippler
Member
It doesn't really matter if they are or not. They should be thankful they're getting anything out of me after all they've done and thankful that it's difficult for me to put up with console graphics, as that's the only thing stopping me from redboxing this or giving gamestop money for a used copy. $10 is better than $0.
Interfectum
Member
I'm using this one. Grats.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Oh my God, that was the worst part of Conviction. I liked the game and all, but seriously... the fuck.
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
Playthroughs are popping up on YT. Off to watch the first mission.
Bateson is God.
Bateson is God.
You really need to know if you need to save up that 10 bucks eh.
SlasherJPC
Banned
It's def not as open as other games, from what I've seen it still feels pretty Hitman-ish.