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I never saw an orthopedic just had my Chiro call in for and MRI which showed herniaton at L5-S1. Maybe I should schedule an appointment and see if I'm a candidate. Great to hear you had such good results. You're not in Jersey are you ?

No I'm not, I'm in NC (had my surgery in OH where I'm originally from).

What is your definition of "full" flexibility? Can you do the splits? Can you touch your elbows to the ground? Can you bend over backwards?

Surgery is the worst thing you can ever do. The scar tissue build up from the surgery alone is going to limit what you can and can't do. I definitely would have tried to find a better chiro or PT.

I can pretty easily flatten my palms against the ground. Elbows? Probably not, but I'd say that's pretty excessive unless you're a professional gymnast.

Not sure what you mean by "bend over backwards". Splits have nothing to do with spinal flexibility, so those are irrelevant to this discussion.

By "full flexibility", I meant I regained every bit of flexibility that I had pre-injury. My health, strength, and flexibility have not just reached, but have exceeded where I was at prior to the herniation. I experience zero pain, whether I'm on a 12-hour road trip, running, playing sports, or deadlifting & squatting.

Your last comment is just completely, 100%, incorrect. Blanket statements and generalizations are ignorant, and this one is no exception. For many individuals, surgery is a very effective, attractive option. Sometimes it's the only treatment that will be effective in any way. As long as the medical staff taking care of you isn't completely incompetent, they're going to minimize the amount of scar tissue left behind by the surgery, in my case to the point where it's not noticeable at all to the patient.

This was especially true for me. I was incredibly lucky (or unlucky I guess depending how you look at it) to be 18 years old, so my body was able to heal very well and very quickly. Older individuals might not see quite the same success, and I would highly recommend attempting other forms of treatment first because of the expense and risks of surgery. My family is full of doctors, including both of my parents and my dad's father. All of them fully recommended and supported my decision and the decision of my surgeon to go forward with the procedure. After everything I'd already tried, it was a no-brainer.

I was a college student at the time, and had access to excellent PTs (we have a very strong athletics program) and one of the best hospitals in the country. Their work helped minimize the pain I was in (I could actually make it through a 75 minute lecture while seated without needing to leave part-way through to walk around due to the leg pain). However, even after 6 months, I was still unable to bend over far enough to touch my knees, let alone my feet (my friends helped me tie my shoes). I couldn't make my body run, jog, or even jump more than an inch off the ground. I was a varsity basketball player before, so those things used to be second nature to me.

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Oh, you're the guy who was arguing that squats should only be done with feet pointing perfectly straight forward, otherwise it's cheating and you're inflexible, and that foam rollers are BS. This all suddenly makes a lot more sense...
 
Yeah, I stand all day at work. I don't think it's a big deal either, but it has been this way for over two months with no sign of changing, and that is a little worrying. The pain in the toe is kind of like the pain you get when your neck or wrist "locks", and you have to crack it out to loosen it. I can crack the toe in question, but it doesn't ease up at all.
Oh, ya standing all day is probably keeping it from healing, even if it's minor. Have you tried just resting your feet on days off? Can you get a few days off in a row?
 

thomaser

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Oh, ya standing all day is probably keeping it from healing, even if it's minor. Have you tried just resting your feet on days off? Can you get a few days off in a row?

Family business, so no days off ever... but I'll try to take it easy in the upcoming holidays. Thanks!
 
I can pretty easily flatten my palms against the ground. Elbows? Probably not, but I'd say that's pretty excessive unless you're a professional gymnast.
I used to be able to put palms on ground, pre- and post-surgery, but after X-Frame pointed me to Stuart McGill earlier this year, I stopped doing that. Based on his studies, I think all the forward stretching I did probably made it worse. I know you're 100% now, but I'd still recommend checking out his work. As you age your discs will harden and scar tissue from the surgery may start to aggravate things eventually.
 
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I used to be able to put palms on ground, pre- and post-surgery, but after X-Frame pointed me to Stuart McGill earlier this year, I stopped doing that. Based on his studies, I think all the forward stretching I did probably made it worse. I know you're 100% now, but I'd still recommend checking out his work. As you age your discs will harden and scar tissue from the surgery may start to aggravate things eventually.

Yeah I don't actually do it as a stretch on any kind of regular basis, I just know I'm capable of it because I've tried.

I'll certainly continue to educate myself on back health, and do whatever I can to keep it healthy as I get older. You're right; as I age, if I'm not careful, it will start to flare up. My priority so far has been strengthening my core and especially my lower back to protect it from the rigors of everyday life (picking heavy objects up, playing sports, etc). Eventually I'll start doing some targeted flexibility training as well. I'll have to check out this Stuart McGill guy.
 
McGill says in Ultimate Back that based on his work with high level athletes, including olympic lifters, there is no correlation to how flexible or strong your back is and injury prevention. Endurance is the most important. You don't want your back moving around, especially under load. Flexibility and mobility strength in the hips, shoulders, knees and ankles are much more important to lifting.
 

abuC

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Started my intermittent fasting today, went 20 hours without eating, felt great too. Going to start eating big breakfast after the gym, then just tapering off throughout the "food window".
 

shira

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"It indicates that you can relax all of your back muscles"

I'm pretty sure that is not something you would want to do. There was an article linked recently from T-Nation about spinal health, I just happened to read it an enjoyed it, here's the link again.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...g_performance/conquering_enemies_of_the_spine

No but you are spewing shit out there to injured gaffers as facts, all from assumptions.

I think being able to relax and contract your back muscles is very helpful.

There that is a true statement.
 

Draft

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What is touch your elbows to the ground? Like, bend over and touch your elbows to the ground? Because Jesus Christ.
 

deadbeef

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I tried out the Spud deadlifting belt today and it was a huge improvement over my bigger more cumbersome squat belt. I am a happy guy now.

I got it directly from Marc Bartley's website. They were really nice about it and even sent me 2 samples of some pre workout supplements which is cool.
 

shira

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What is touch your elbows to the ground? Like, bend over and touch your elbows to the ground? Because Jesus Christ.

It requires that you relax your back and your hamstrings at the same time. Some people can do one or the other, but very few people can do both at the same time.
 

kylej

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Eating feces will double your gains over the next 6 weeks. I can't back it up with any actual proof, but trust me guys, just eat some poop. Especially if you have mouth disease.

It's important.
 

shira

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Eating feces will double your gains over the next 6 weeks. I can't back it up with any actual proof, but trust me guys, just eat some poop. Especially if you have mouth disease.

It's important.

Well that's just being silly.
 

X-Frame

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My version, eating right now. :)

1 sweet potato & 2 slices bacon w/ cinnamon in the hash, 6 extra large eggs, slice of harvarti cheese

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JB1981

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My version, eating right now. :)

1 sweet potato & 2 slices bacon w/ cinnamon in the hash, 6 extra large eggs, slice of harvarti cheese

cuTwzl.jpg
I cut up some regular potatoes this morning, fried them in olive oil, butter and some Cajun seasoning, came pretty good
 
I fried up sweet potatoes in bacon fat last night. It tasted good, but I think I messed up the temperature. Was too high at first, then too low, then I got it right but they were a little hard by the end. Still tasted great though. Love the subtle bacon flavor. I forgot about the cinnamon.
 

MjFrancis

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1 sweet potato & 2 slices bacon w/ cinnamon in the hash, 6 extra large eggs, slice of harvarti cheese

cuTwzl.jpg
This thread requires more food porn. Stuff like this!

I wish I took more pictures of the meals my wife cooked for me. I've done so two, perhaps three times, but that's it. They are pieces of work. Delicious, tasty pieces of work.
 

X-Frame

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This thread requires more food porn. Stuff like this!

I wish I took more pictures of the meals my wife cooked for me. I've done so two, perhaps three times, but that's it. They are pieces of work. Delicious, tasty pieces of work.

Do it man. It'll only give people ideas, unless the meals are crazy with 20 ingredients.

If it's simple and tastes good I add it.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Grr, shoulder. It's getting better but it's so slow. I'm going to do push-ups on my off days to see if I can at least keep that area active.
 

MjFrancis

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It looks like he filled a pan with eggs like an omelet and just cut it in quarters when he was done. It's definitely aesthetically pleasing.
 

Bealost

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Ok guys, I have a small problem. I dids squats+deads on saturday, ran intervals sunday, and did some more squats yesterday. Lots of leg work, well, I have no work today and am feeling...highly motivated. What should I do? I really want to make some good progress today.
 

ShaneB

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I really really need to dig out my old pc so these progress photos have some merit to see how far I've come.

Anyways, it's things like this that make it all worth it and keeps me motivated to keep kicking ass and keep moving forward.

Just a few days ago.

Latest picture
yes I'm in my boxers... yes I don't care :)
 

JB1981

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Ok guys, I have a small problem. I dids squats+deads on saturday, ran intervals sunday, and did some more squats yesterday. Lots of leg work, well, I have no work today and am feeling...highly motivated. What should I do? I really want to make some good progress today.
I say chill and eat.
 

MjFrancis

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Anyone ever used this or something like it to predict a 1RM?

http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/OneRepMax.html

Seems to be pretty accurate and I'd like to use it to get some idea of what to shoot for when I go for my total at the end of this month (possibly next month).
I think it's a fun tool to gauge progress, but I don't rely on those numbers too much. I don't know what kind of total you're going for, but if it's for total estimated 1RM, don't take it too seriously. Extrapolating an estimated one-rep max from anything above a five-rep max starts to become incredibly inaccurate, not to mention any possible weak spots that could make a three to five rep max doable and one-rep impossible.

Have fun with it, but keep it in perspective. You don't actually know your 1RM until you do it, and personally I never purposefully train at that intensity, especially with the heavier lifts like the squat and the deadlift. The risk/reward at those levels just aren't worth it to me. If I find a 1RM it's usually by accident (i.e my press).
 
Ok guys, I have a small problem. I dids squats+deads on saturday, ran intervals sunday, and did some more squats yesterday. Lots of leg work, well, I have no work today and am feeling...highly motivated. What should I do? I really want to make some good progress today.

Rest = progress
 

JB1981

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Need to clean up my diet and start getting regular cardio. My HDL cholesterol and cholesterol ratio are poor. :-/
Mine were awful too. I did one of those finger prick screenings at work. Im not sure how accurate they are but my total cholesterol was only 138 but HDL was a mere 25. Very bad
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I knooooooow, just so used to being active and busy, its actually difficult for me to not do something, maybe I'll do the whole Chris....Holiday Tree thing.

Play dark souls, you will forget about everything and wake up 3 days later wondering where the time went.
 

deadbeef

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Mine were awful too. I did one of those finger prick screenings at work. Im not sure how accurate they are but my total cholesterol was only 138 but HDL was a mere 25. Very bad

Almost my numbers exactly. Lady said it was really just a reflection of what you've eaten in the last few weeks. But heart disease is in my family so I need to straighten up.
 

JB1981

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Almost my numbers exactly. Lady said it was really just a reflection of what you've eaten in the last few weeks. But heart disease is in my family so I need to straighten up.

Same here, pops had open heart surgery.

Think I might swim today and not do any lifting while the back heals up.
 

balddemon

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DL'd 205 yesterday. Should be up to 250ish on Wed/Fri (whenever I decide to do it again). Might be Friday, unless my elbows recover by tomorrow. Combination of Press on Saturday and DL/Bench yesterday screwed them up I think.
 

Dash27

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I think it's a fun tool to gauge progress, but I don't rely on those numbers too much. I don't know what kind of total you're going for, but if it's for total estimated 1RM, don't take it too seriously. Extrapolating an estimated one-rep max from anything above a five-rep max starts to become incredibly inaccurate, not to mention any possible weak spots that could make a three to five rep max doable and one-rep impossible.

Have fun with it, but keep it in perspective. You don't actually know your 1RM until you do it, and personally I never purposefully train at that intensity, especially with the heavier lifts like the squat and the deadlift. The risk/reward at those levels just aren't worth it to me. If I find a 1RM it's usually by accident (i.e my press).

Usually at the end of a session we'll go for a 1RM of Squat, Deadlift and Press. It's pretty fun to try. Last go around I feel like I under shot my 1RM by a good bit on squat. This time I'm going for a 405 minimum but I'd love to put up 445. Not sure how realistic that is but I suppose it's good to have goals. If not this time next time.
 
Usually at the end of a session we'll go for a 1RM of Squat, Deadlift and Press. It's pretty fun to try. Last go around I feel like I under shot my 1RM by a good bit on squat. This time I'm going for a 405 minimum but I'd love to put up 445. Not sure how realistic that is but I suppose it's good to have goals. If not this time next time.

It may not seem like a lot but 405lbs--->445lbs is a pretty significant bump, you might want do something like 405x1, 425x1, 445x1. or something similar.
 
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