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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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IceCold

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What does Greek yogurt taste like? I never tried it.



Today at the gym I saw something that annoyed me. There was a group of 6 guys "working out" using a single leg press machine. I mean, what's even the point of going to the gym with that many friends? I can understand going to gym in groups of 2, or 3. But 6? How long to they expect to be at the gym? 4 hours? Brobuilding at its finest.
 

rando14

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What does Greek yogurt taste like? I never tried it.



Today at the gym I saw something that annoyed me. There was a group of 6 guys "working out" using a single leg press machine. I mean, what's even the point of going to the gym with that many friends? I can understand going to gym in groups of 2, or 3. But 6? How long to they expect to be at the gym? 4 hours? Brobuilding at its finest.

It's really just yogurt with a thicker texture.

Chances are they didn't really know better. If they're working in such a large group, they're probably mostly (if not all) new and just doing what they're friends are doing.
 

Timedog

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What does Greek yogurt taste like? I never tried it.



Today at the gym I saw something that annoyed me. There was a group of 6 guys "working out" using a single leg press machine. I mean, what's even the point of going to the gym with that many friends? I can understand going to gym in groups of 2, or 3. But 6? How long to they expect to be at the gym? 4 hours? Brobuilding at its finest.
Why is it annoying? Also, how long was the wait between sets for any 1 of the 6 guys? Were they pushing through it quickly, or just hanging out?
 

Chittagong

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Need to get shoes for gym sports in London. Most people in the gym seem to have just regular running shoes which I think is appalling. Whatever happened to indoor sport shoes, any recommendations? I do boxing, squatting, gym and running track mostly.
 
Need to get shoes for gym sports in London. Most people in the gym seem to have just regular running shoes which I think is appalling. Whatever happened to indoor sport shoes, any recommendations? I do boxing, squatting, gym and running track mostly.

You're probably going to want different shoes for running track than you do for lifting, unless you run in minimalist shoes.

A lot of people recommend Converse Chuck Taylor's for lifting. Personally, I use my Vibrams as I didn't fancy splashing out for a new pair of shoes unnecessarily.
 
Need to get shoes for gym sports in London. Most people in the gym seem to have just regular running shoes which I think is appalling. Whatever happened to indoor sport shoes, any recommendations? I do boxing, squatting, gym and running track mostly.

For lifting chuck taylors are awesome, or any other shoe with a really flat sole.
 
Dont try to run in them though, you really want running shoes for that. Chucks are perfectly fine when you go lift weights, but you will destroy your knees if you run with them on. Or at least, i do. :lol
 

Sipowicz

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Hi All

I am 140 pounds. and 5"10. I am pretty slim. I'm aiming is to get bigger. My secondary aims are sort out my gut and sort out my chest. I have purchased some mass gain shake, and protein shake with creatine mixed in.

In terms of nutrition what am I aiming for? Based on the guide on the first page i've worked out that I need about 210 grams of protein per day (1.5 times my body weight) . Would this be every day or just on the days I was training?

How about carbs? i've been told that they're vitla to gaining mass. Is this correct? how much should i be getting?
 

Enco

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Hi All

I am 140 pounds. and 5"10. I am pretty slim. I'm aiming is to get bigger. My secondary aims are sort out my gut and sort out my chest. I have purchased some mass gain shake, and protein shake with creatine mixed in.

In terms of nutrition what am I aiming for? Based on the guide on the first page i've worked out that I need about 210 grams of protein per day (1.5 times my body weight) . Would this be every day or just on the days I was training?

How about carbs? i've been told that they're vitla to gaining mass. Is this correct? how much should i be getting?

Don't over do the carbs. 150g in my opinion is plenty.

As for protein, that's more than enough. I doubt you'll even need all of that. Just eat a bit over maintenance and stick to whole foods.
 

Sipowicz

Banned
Don't over do the carbs. 150g in my opinion is plenty.

As for protein, that's more than enough. I doubt you'll even need all of that. Just eat a bit over maintenance and stick to whole foods.


so as long as i'm getting about 150g carbs, 200g protein and eating healthily i should be fine and gain mass?

I'm a slight dude at the minute so i want to get a fair bit bigger
 

TideTime

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so as long as i'm getting about 150g carbs, 200g protein and eating healthily i should be fine and gain mass?

I'm a slight dude at the minute so i want to get a fair bit bigger

Eat that much protein everyday. And don't just watch those two factors. You also need to make sure you are getting enough calories daily. A good target to start with would be 500 cals over maintenance and see how it would work for you.
 

Sipowicz

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Eat that much protein everyday. And don't just watch those two factors. You also need to make sure you are getting enough calories daily. A good target to start with would be 500 cals over maintenance and see how it would work for you.

i've calculated the calories needed for maintenance as about 2000. So I shouold be ok with 2500 calories a day

one last question. Would I need to consume any extra calories on my days working out? I imagine I'd be wanting a protein or mass gain shake after my workout. would that not count?

i'll be working out 4 days a week if that's any help
 

MjFrancis

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Multivitamins are, more likely than not, sometimes metabolized poorly by the body and research on their efficacy is surprisingly lacking. Given the price per dose ratio I still consider them one of the better supplements when paired with a well-rounded diet. At the very least they haven't been proven to be very harmful.

I cycle my multivitamin intake, usually going one month on one month off (give or take). I prioritize my creatine, whey protein, fish oil and caffeine over my multivitamins so far as supplements are concerned.

The diet takes precedence over all this.

What is the secret to life Mr Francis?
If I told everyone it wouldn't be a secret!
 

Enco

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i've calculated the calories needed for maintenance as about 2000. So I shouold be ok with 2500 calories a day

one last question. Would I need to consume any extra calories on my days working out? I imagine I'd be wanting a protein or mass gain shake after my workout. would that not count?

i'll be working out 4 days a week if that's any help

If you want you can have some extra carbs and protein post workout but stay around 2500. Don't over do it if you don't want to get fat.

Just eat good foods and don't go crazy with macro counting :)
 

Petrie

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i've calculated the calories needed for maintenance as about 2000. So I shouold be ok with 2500 calories a day

one last question. Would I need to consume any extra calories on my days working out? I imagine I'd be wanting a protein or mass gain shake after my workout. would that not count?

i'll be working out 4 days a week if that's any help

Personally I'd return the silly mass gain shake and such and just pick up some Whey Protein and possibly Creatine.

You need calories on rest days just as much, if not more than on workout days. That's when your body is using those calories to repair and build muscle.
 
Personally I'd return the silly mass gain shake and such and just pick up some Whey Protein and possibly Creatine.

You need calories on rest days just as much, if not more than on workout days. That's when your body is using those calories to repair and build muscle.

I'd say off days are more about getting your protein instead of calories.
 

JB1981

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Diet...how do you guys find Greek Yogurt? Just discovered the stuff myself and am giving it a try. Stats seem great.

Expensive but packs a lot of protein. Chobani plain is 18g protein, Fage plain 2% is 20grams of protien. I buy plain Fage or Chobani and add walnuts, almonds and raisin. I also used to break up Kashi honey almond flax seed bars and put them in there, adds a little more flavor. I love greek yogurt, worth the expense IMO.

Greek yogurt is the only yogurt I will eat. All the other stuff, like Yoplait, is like candy it has so much sugar.
 
I buy the 365 whole milk yogurt at Whole Foods. It's like $3 for 32 oz here; I'm sure it's cheaper in areas where it doesn't have to be shipped across the ocean.
 
Don't over do the carbs. 150g in my opinion is plenty.

As for protein, that's more than enough. I doubt you'll even need all of that. Just eat a bit over maintenance and stick to whole foods.

Since you're on the discussion of protein, I have difficulty getting into the 200g range daily without the aid of a bunch of shakes - right now I need to drink about three 25g protein shakes daily to get there. Is there any downside to this? I tried stuffing more food into me but just ended up feeling sick.
 

MjFrancis

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Diet...how do you guys find Greek Yogurt? Just discovered the stuff myself and am giving it a try. Stats seem great.

I'm happy with the Cabot plain Greek Yogurt that I got for a little under two dollars per 1.5lbs tub (3 cups). Each serving size of a cup is 150 calories, 5g of fat, 11g of sugar, and 22g of protein. Add a half cup of frozen blueberries per container and it tastes fine.

That's an uncommonly low price for Greek yogurt, even when it isn't shipped across the ocean it's still usually three to four dollars for a tub that size.
 

gdt

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A great workout today, but dear god, shoulder presses and lateral raises wipe me out. So much so that I can barely complete 3x5. Really low weight too, 60lbs and 80. I plan on up-ing all my weights 10lbs on Monday, but those will stay there.
 

Mr.City

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Hi All

I am 140 pounds. and 5"10. I am pretty slim. I'm aiming is to get bigger. My secondary aims are sort out my gut and sort out my chest. I have purchased some mass gain shake, and protein shake with creatine mixed in.

In terms of nutrition what am I aiming for? Based on the guide on the first page i've worked out that I need about 210 grams of protein per day (1.5 times my body weight) . Would this be every day or just on the days I was training?

How about carbs? i've been told that they're vitla to gaining mass. Is this correct? how much should i be getting?

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/the-baseline-diet-part-1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/the-baseline-diet-part-2.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/category/muscle-gain/eating-for-muscle-gain
 

Mr.City

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A great workout today, but dear god, shoulder presses and lateral raises wipe me out. So much so that I can barely complete 3x5. Really low weight too, 60lbs and 80. I plan on up-ing all my weights 10lbs on Monday, but those will stay there.

How exactly will not driving the weights on these lifts increase your strength? Also, didn't you just start doing these exercises?
 

gdt

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How exactly will not driving the weights on these lifts increase your strength? Also, didn't you just start doing these exercises?

Been at it for about a month. I just feel like I can barely complete 3x5 right now. And I mean barely. Today, I crapped out at the 12th on my lateral raises, and had to rest for a few seconds to complete till the 15th. I just wanna wait another week before upping the weight.

But I'm certainly an amateur at this stuff, should I up the weight and just push through it?
 

cameltoe

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Been at it for about a month. I just feel like I can barely complete 3x5 right now. And I mean barely. Today, I crapped out at the 12th on my lateral raises, and had to rest for a few seconds to complete till the 15th. I just wanna wait another week before upping the weight.

But I'm certainly an amateur at this stuff, should I up the weight and just push through it?


Just keep the weight the same until you can complete the sets and reps (3x5) If you can complete it then yes, increase the weight, but certainly not by 10lbs on raises. Add a little weight and continue on
Keep things positive. Its better to add less weight every workout then stall because you added too much.
 
Been at it for about a month. I just feel like I can barely complete 3x5 right now. And I mean barely. Today, I crapped out at the 12th on my lateral raises, and had to rest for a few seconds to complete till the 15th. I just wanna wait another week before upping the weight.

But I'm certainly an amateur at this stuff, should I up the weight and just push through it?
Is shoulder press a standing press or sitting or machine? I would have lateral raises as assistance work and not be concerned about it.
 

Revoh

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I'm at the same situation as Sipowicz, need to eat 2500 calories wich I can't seem to reach while eating low fat/high carb atm.
Can I leave my carbs around workout and raise my fat intake if that makes it easier to reach 2500 calories per day?
 

Mr.City

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Been at it for about a month. I just feel like I can barely complete 3x5 right now. And I mean barely. Today, I crapped out at the 12th on my lateral raises, and had to rest for a few seconds to complete till the 15th. I just wanna wait another week before upping the weight.

But I'm certainly an amateur at this stuff, should I up the weight and just push through it?

Improper programming is not best countered with waiting until the weights feel light again. You went way too heavy on those lateral raises if they're fatiguing you this much. If I understand correctly, you're pressing 80 lbs for 3 sets of 5? How big have the jumps been up to now?
 

gdt

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Improper programming is not best countered with waiting until the weights feel light again. You went way too heavy on those lateral raises if they're fatiguing you this much. If I understand correctly, you're pressing 80 lbs for 3 sets of 5? How big have the jumps been up to now?

Started at 70, bumped it up to 80 (after two weeks). Odd thing is, that they werent too rough, say, a week ago. Maybe I just had an off day (but I've definitely been noticing that both these exercises, which focus on my deltoids, are more taxing on me than the rest), but the rest of my workout was awesome. I'll see how it goes on Monday.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Final work week of cycle 1 done. Thank god. I need that deload week. This shit is brutal. Still managed 335x4 on my last set of bench though.(I've move my grip closer, so benching is a bit harder for the moment too) Gonna go to class and take a man sized nap.
 

deadbeef

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Final work week of cycle 1 done. Thank god. I need that deload week. This shit is brutal. Still managed 335x4 on my last set of bench though.(I've move my grip closer, so benching is a not harder for the moment too) Gonna go to class and take a man sized nap.

Are you gonna do assistance work during the deload?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Are you gonna do assistance work during the deload?

I haven't decided yet. I think I might just go in and do the main lift an leave. Wendler emphasizes that deload week should be a deload week and that includes backing off assistance too.

If I do throw in some assistance it not going to be much at all

Sorry for shit quality posts. I'm on my phone
 

deadbeef

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I haven't decided yet. I think I might just go in and do the main lift an leave. Wendler emphasizes that deload week should be a deload week and that includes backing off assistance too.

If I do throw in some assistance it not going to be much at all

Sorry for shit quality posts. I'm on my phone

Just be careful. I think I've gone too heavy on deload weeks because you have lots left in the tank after main lift.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Just be careful. I think I've gone too heavy on deload weeks because you have lots left in the tank after main lift.

Yeah if anything I would just do what I've been doing. But I'll probably just up the chins and conditioning that week. I doubt I'll do anything for the main lifts except the main deload work.
 

MjFrancis

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With the Juggernaut Method, Chad Wesley Smith's alteration of 5/3/1, he recommends cutting assistance work volume in half. So if you do 50 pull-ups, do 25. If you do Boring but Big squats 5x10 try 3x8 for the same weight, and so forth.

It's not quite like Wendler's 5/3/1 recommendations but it makes sense to me. It's not like Wendler hasn't played with a dozen different variations of his own program, either! It sounds like a decent rule of thumb if you are still itching to do more but not wanting to overdo it at the same time.
 

ianp622

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Started at 70, bumped it up to 80 (after two weeks). Odd thing is, that they werent too rough, say, a week ago. Maybe I just had an off day (but I've definitely been noticing that both these exercises, which focus on my deltoids, are more taxing on me than the rest), but the rest of my workout was awesome. I'll see how it goes on Monday.

You should be moving up 5 lbs at a time, not 10.
 

Decado

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Great source of protein. Make sure to get the 2% fat stuff and not the 0%. Unfortunately my current grocery store (Wegmans for you upstate ny guys) only stock the 0%. I actually wrote them a letter earlier to see if they would stock the 2% stuff.

Why get the 2% stuff over the 0%?
 
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