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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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abuC

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Stabbie said:
The fact that I won't notice any aesthetic result after a few months is my biggest worry right now. It could be very discouraging and it could very likely make me give up soon.
Focus on strength gains and the aesthetics will take care of themselves, just stick with it. It becomes addictive to constantly see the weights you're lifting increase.
 

abuC

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Chest
Warmup
135x12
185x10

225x8
245x7
265x6
275x4

Still really nervous about flat benching with the barbell, I've made pretty much all my strength gains with dumbells. I need to ask for a spot I'd like to go heavier, try to max out.

Incline with DBs
100(x2)x8
110x6
115x5

Decline barbell
185x8
225x6
245x5


Did some cable flies and dips, the dips are hard as hell for someone my weight.

I'm going to start losing weight now, I'm 6"1 258lbs, people assume I play football but I'd like to get down to the 220s so I can play in a basketball league. Any recommendations, I plan on cycling since I'd like to keep stress off my knees as much as possible.
 
So I got injured while working out last year...I was performing bend over rows in wrong form and damaged one of the spinal discs. Basically I got sciatica...after researching a lot I started doing McKenzie stretches and the pain went away. But still my mobility is limited, for example I can't touch my toes while standing.

That was on in October 2010 and I started exercising again recently. I ok with running and most weight lifting but if I squat with a barbell or use those leg pressing machines (I can't even use this machine...barely move it an two or three inches) the pain comes back.

I already got x-rayed and the doc didn't make much of it...I was also on an anti-inflammatory med for two weeks that helped me sleep (of course I don't need it now since the pain is pretty much gone)

What do you guys think of my situation? Thanks
 

Lamel

Banned
Stabbie said:
Thanks for the answer. I've read the OP, but either I couldn't find the answer or the answer wasn't clear enough to me. I didn't do 40 reps at once btw. I did 4 sets of 10 reps and after the 4rth set I couldn't do any more. I tried doubling the weight to 12 lbs and I really couldn't do more than 6 in a set.



I'm aiming for aesthetic results, don't really care about strength. I am lucky to have a pretty good body: little body fat, good metabolism, naturally broad shoulders (I've had many people tell me they thought I play sports because of that). I'm not the typical skinny guy even though I've never worked out or done any sport, but I do have skinny arms and no chest muscles and that's what I would like to focus on. I guess it's a combination of more definition and muscle gain.

The fact that I won't notice any aesthetic result after a few months is my biggest worry right now. It could be very discouraging and it could very likely make me give up soon. As for modifying my diet, the OP has plenty of information on that but I'm still wondering, do you mean adding more carbs to aid muscle growth or losing body fat? Right now I do some intensive cycling for half an hour 4 times a week to lower the body fat.

Also, that program seems like a good start! Thanks.


If you're skinny or on the skinny side, you will see aesthetic result within a few weeks, trust me. But I still recommend full body routines (and arm work as well), noticing your whole body change before your eyes is a tremendous confidence/self esteem boost, especially when others start noticing as well. You won't want to stop working out when that happens. I can tell you this because that's what I am doing currently, squat/deadlift/press/bench press along with some arm exercises, has worked out splendidly.

Eat big, lift heavy, enjoy the results. Don't be discouraged if you have to start out light, it's a work in progress thing. Starting strength in the OP is a great program.

abuC said:
Focus on strength gains and the aesthetics will take care of themselves, just stick with it. It becomes addictive to constantly see the weights you're lifting increase.

This too. The strength gains will be awesome.

SniperViper said:
So I got injured while working out last year...I was performing bend over rows in wrong form and damaged one of the spinal discs. Basically I got sciatica...after researching a lot I started doing McKenzie stretches and the pain went away. But still my mobility is limited, for example I can't touch my toes while standing.

That was on in October 2010 and I started exercising again recently. I ok with running and most weight lifting but if I squat with a barbell or use those leg pressing machines (I can't even use this machine...barely move it an two or three inches) the pain comes back.

I already got x-rayed and the doc didn't make much of it...I was also on an anti-inflammatory med for two weeks that helped me sleep (of course I don't need it now since the pain is pretty much gone)

What do you guys think of my situation? Thanks

Damn that's scary, I do bent over rows as well, I hope my form is right.
 
DogWelder said:
He was genetically gifted, 220 lbs in high school, and he obviously didn't only do pushups to get that physique. I didn't think I needed to put a disclaimer in my post saying that barring you being a genetic freak who's predisposed to putting on a shit-ton of muscle that you can't gain significant mass with the most common* bodyweight exercises. Holy verbiage, Batman. You guys are reading past the context of the conversation.

*Dip bars and a pullup bar can get your pretty far though, especially if you're getting heavier as you train.
Not only pushups but you can add mass with weighted calisthenics.
 

X-Frame

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SniperViper said:
So I got injured while working out last year...I was performing bend over rows in wrong form and damaged one of the spinal discs. Basically I got sciatica...after researching a lot I started doing McKenzie stretches and the pain went away. But still my mobility is limited, for example I can't touch my toes while standing.

That was on in October 2010 and I started exercising again recently. I ok with running and most weight lifting but if I squat with a barbell or use those leg pressing machines (I can't even use this machine...barely move it an two or three inches) the pain comes back.

I already got x-rayed and the doc didn't make much of it...I was also on an anti-inflammatory med for two weeks that helped me sleep (of course I don't need it now since the pain is pretty much gone)

What do you guys think of my situation? Thanks

Did you get an MRI that confirmed a damaged or bulging disc? Did you go to a PT or Chiro to get evaluated as well?

First, read this article that's very recent but may help you:

Figuring Out Sciatica and other Garbage Diagnoses

I need to head out now but real quick if I do remember 1 thing from reading that article this weak is that you need to first restore MOBILITY before you start working on STABILITY.

So in your case, you need to figure out how to restore your mobility. I had sciatica-like pain symptoms for 2 days in April. It went away quickly but I was left with numbness in my foot when I sat. It's been much better this past month but it's still there sometimes, though very rare. I don't have any limited mobility but the first things I did were hip mobility and glute activation exercises.

You probably need to forget the leg presses and other large prime-mover exercises and focus on hip mobility drills and exercises, glute bridges, etc.

Gotta run, let me know if you have any questions, but read that article first.
 

dentoomw

Member
Stabbie said:
I'm aiming for aesthetic results, don't really care about strength. I am lucky to have a pretty good body: little body fat, good metabolism, naturally broad shoulders (I've had many people tell me they thought I play sports because of that). I'm not the typical skinny guy even though I've never worked out or done any sport, but I do have skinny arms and no chest muscles and that's what I would like to focus on. I guess it's a combination of more definition and muscle gain.

The fact that I won't notice any aesthetic result after a few months is my biggest worry right now. It could be very discouraging and it could very likely make me give up soon. As for modifying my diet, the OP has plenty of information on that but I'm still wondering, do you mean adding more carbs to aid muscle growth or losing body fat? Right now I do some intensive cycling for half an hour 4 times a week to lower the body fat.

Also, that program seems like a good start! Thanks.

It sounds like you got your cardio down and your bodyfat under control.

From reading your post, I get the feeling that you just don't have any meat in there at the moment, so I think you should probably consider eating a little bit more than you might be normally used to.

And don't get discouraged! Like others have said, it gets addicting seeing yourself using heavier and heavier weights as time goes on :) And thats definite results right there.
 

Scrow

Still Tagged Accordingly
_dementia said:
I've gained about 12 lbs of muscle since May
Hey, It's a big deal for a twig like me!
what's your height? How much did you weigh before?

i put on about 10kg (22 lbs) in little more than a month. the guy who was training me was amazed.

i think that guys like us (twigs) can put on weight really easy in the beginning if we also change our diet (more food, higher protein intake).
 

cryptic

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Price Dalton said:
Don't worry about that. Carbs are really only an issue for people with fucked up metabolisms (insulin resistance, leptin resistance, diabetics). The problem is most people in this country have fucked up metabolisms that cannot handle carbohydrate. I doubt you do if you're having trouble keeping weight on.

Just stick to good carbs - potatoes, rice, roots, tubers, fruit - and avoid stuff like wheat, bread, and other shitty refined stuff.
How do you tell if you have these problems? I used to excessively binge on sweets going through a deprivation period and now I've strictly reduced carbs in the form of sugars, fruits, and starchy vegetables. I've been noticing slightly increased definition but the lifting is not becoming any easier and I feel drained nearly constantly. I hope this is just part of the low carb flu that I need to just wait out. However, just recently I tried to add in some carbs through red bliss potatoes and sweet potatoes and at least with the former I immediately became bloated. Is this a sign that I have one of the issues you've mentioned above? I do believe I have gained some weight in the four days following eating the tubers but I doubt it's muscle as the weights were harder than ever today.
 
Scrow said:
what's your height? How much did you weigh before?

i put on about 10kg (22 lbs) in little more than a month. the guy who was training me was amazed.

i think that guys like us (twigs) can put on weight really easy in the beginning if we also change our diet (more food, higher protein intake).
6'1" , I was 137 but now I'm 150
 

deadbeef

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Well now I see why so many people fail on the first session of the Smolov Intense Phase. Going from light weights to 4 sets at 85% 1RM really sucks.

I also had to go early since I've got stuff planned for the 4th. I prefer to have a few meals in me before I work out, instead of just 1 meal.

So I missed parallel on the last rep but I made it through all the sets.

Happy 4th of July to all U.S. GAFers - time for some barbecue and homemade ice cream!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Ok, that is the most full I've ever seen my golds gym.

Also, with it being that packed I finally experienced what some of you have been talking about with "getting an audience" when you stack on 3+ plates for bench.

Felt weird as hell, I put 335 on to finish my last set before my burnouts and everyone near me stopped what they were doing. I know lifting that much can't be that uncommon, Jesus.

I would have thought today would have been a slow day.
 

Draft

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Alienshogun said:
Ok, that is the most full I've ever seen my golds gym.

Also, with it being that packed I finally experienced what some of you have been talking about with "getting an audience" when you stack on 3+ plates for bench.

Felt weird as hell, I put 335 on to finish my last set before my burnouts and everyone near me stopped what they were doing. I know lifting that much can't be that uncommon, Jesus.

I would have thought today would have been a slow day.
I go to a large commercial gym that probably has 100-150 people in it every weekday afternoon and I can count the dudes who bench 3 wheels on 1 hand. It's pretty uncommon.
 

SeanR1221

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Alienshogun said:
Ok, that is the most full I've ever seen my golds gym.

Also, with it being that packed I finally experienced what some of you have been talking about with "getting an audience" when you stack on 3+ plates for bench.

Felt weird as hell, I put 335 on to finish my last set before my burnouts and everyone near me stopped what they were doing. I know lifting that much can't be that uncommon, Jesus.

I would have thought today would have been a slow day.

I've never seen anyone put 3+ on each side.

And people are doing last minute exercises for the beach. My gym was packed too.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Draft said:
I go to a large commercial gym that probably has 100-150 people in it every weekday afternoon and I can count the dudes who bench 3 wheels on 1 hand. It's pretty uncommon.


That's interesting to me. I typically go when it's slow and there's a couple other guys lifting what I lift.

SeanR1221 said:
I've never seen anyone put 3+ on each side.

And people are doing last minute exercises for the beach. My gym was packed too.


When I go mid day there's me and two other guys who typically lift around the same weight, when I usually go it's pretty slow so I didn't really think much of it.

The beach thing makes sense, but I don't ever wanna see my gym that full again. It kinda made me uncomfortable.

On another note, I started doing weighted dips last week.

Right now I'm doing 45lbs x10 x8 x5 then doing whatever I have left in me. Once I get over 10 I want to up the weight, but that might be a bit awkward with another weight next to the 45. Any tips?
 

abuC

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SeanR1221 said:
I've never seen anyone put 3+ on each side.

And people are doing last minute exercises for the beach. My gym was packed too.
Depends on where you live I guess, cause I go to New York Sports Club which isnt even a power type gym and I always see people with 3 plates.

Powerhouse and Golds Gym in my area probably has the monster lifters.
 

qcf x2

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_dementia said:
6'1" , I was 137 but now I'm 150

Whoa, you were really small! How old are you? Keep up the good work!

About 4 years ago I was 6'2, 155 or so. The past few years I got up to 192, but ever since my traumatic experience at the beginning of the year I've been unable to exceed 182 lbs. This despite seeing gains in strength. I'll take it as me shedding fat and adding muscle, but I'm stuck right now and it sucks. If I'm gonna stay skinny I'd like to at least have visible abs, and I don't atm.
 
Alienshogun said:
On another note, I started doing weighted dips last week.

Right now I'm doing 45lbs x10 x8 x5 then doing whatever I have left in me. Once I get over 10 I want to up the weight, but that might be a bit awkward with another weight next to the 45. Any tips?

I prefer using a dumbbell rather than a barbell plate. An upside to that is my Gym has dumbbells up to something like 150lbs.


I feel like how much I can deadlift depends heavily on the kind of bar I am using. At the gym there are a couple of different bars and some have a really rough texture on the grip. Those ones tend to really rip up my hands and make gripping the bar more difficult.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
BlueScrote said:
I prefer using a dumbbell rather than a barbell plate. An upside to that is my Gym has dumbbells up to something like 150lbs.


I feel like how much I can deadlift depends heavily on the kind of bar I am using. At the gym there are a couple of different bars and some have a really rough texture on the grip. Those ones tend to really rip up my hands and make gripping the bar more difficult.


Use gloves?
 
SeanR1221 said:
I've never seen anyone put 3+ on each side.

And people are doing last minute exercises for the beach. My gym was packed too.
There are a couple of guys at my gym that workout with 3+ plates on each side. My gym is huge but cheap as hell so there aren't many serious lifters who workout there. But if you really want to separate the men from the boys throw 4+ plates on each side of the squat rack. I don't think I've ever seen anyone squat more than 275lbs in my gym, people seem to think the squat rack is for curls and shrugs =/.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
MWS Natural said:
There are a couple of guys at my gym that workout with 3+ plates on each side. My gym is huge but cheap as hell so there aren't many serious lifters who workout there. But if you really want to separate the men from the boys throw 4+ plates on each side of the squat rack. I don't think I've ever seen anyone squat more than 275lbs in my gym, people seem to think the squat rack is for curls and shrugs =/.


Lol, the curls thing gets me. I'll be honest though, if I've got the rack for press, I'll finish with shrugs then move on. No sense in moving if I can finish both exercises there.

That said, I'm shrugging anywhere from 275 to 315 (I don't use straps or it would be higher). So I'm gonna be using a barbell anyway.
 

abuC

Member
Lately my elbows have been really tender, if I brush into anything it feels like Bob Backlund put me in the crossface chicken wing. I don't press them against anything during workouts, I don't do preacher curls so I'm confused as to why they are always sore. Any ideas?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
abuC said:
Lately my elbows have been really tender, if I brush into anything it feels like Bob Backlund put me in the crossface chicken wing. I don't press them against anything during workouts, I don't do preacher curls so I'm confused as to why they are always sore. Any ideas?


Either you're overworking your biceps, using too much weight on biceps (sore in the inside of your elbow (top inside). Or you're like me and I don't know.

For instance, my funny bone gets set off VERY easy right now for some reason. I don't even have to hit it, pressure just sets it off.

If it's the first one, it's very easy to over work or go too heavy on biceps. Only work them once a week and don't overdo it.
 

abuC

Member
Alienshogun said:
Either you're overworking your biceps, using too much weight on biceps (sore in the inside of your elbow (top inside). Or you're like me and I don't know.

For instance, my funny bone gets set off VERY easy right now for some reason. I don't even have to hit it, pressure just sets it off.

If it's the first one, it's very easy to over work or go too heavy on biceps. Only work them once a week and don't overdo it.
Thanks, I rarely focus on my biceps though, I probably curled one time in the last two weeks. I guess I fall into the tough luck category as far as that goes.
 

Oblivion

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_dementia said:
I've gained about 12 lbs of muscle since May
Hey, It's a big deal for a twig like me!

Scrow said:
what's your height? How much did you weigh before?

i put on about 10kg (22 lbs) in little more than a month. the guy who was training me was amazed.

i think that guys like us (twigs) can put on weight really easy in the beginning if we also change our diet (more food, higher protein intake).

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? Tell me what both of you are doing THIS INSTANT!!!
 

PBY

Banned
MWS Natural said:
There are a couple of guys at my gym that workout with 3+ plates on each side. My gym is huge but cheap as hell so there aren't many serious lifters who workout there. But if you really want to separate the men from the boys throw 4+ plates on each side of the squat rack. I don't think I've ever seen anyone squat more than 275lbs in my gym, people seem to think the squat rack is for curls and shrugs =/.
I'm kinda average sized, relatively speaking (195 lbs), but I've been squatting for a while so I can do 3x5 at 365 regularly- and people freak the fuck out when they see that.

Last week a dude came up from behind me mid-set and tried to "spot" me by basically humping me. I almost lost it on the dude, I clearly didn't need help and he just threw me off.

/rage.
 

DogWelder

Member
abuC said:
Thanks, I rarely focus on my biceps though, I probably curled one time in the last two weeks. I guess I fall into the tough luck category as far as that goes.
It honestly sounds like tendinitis. But I've never heard anyone getting it from curls. I think most people get it from lying arm extension exercises like skullcrushers.
 

ezrarh

Member
peterb0y said:
I'm kinda average sized, relatively speaking (195 lbs), but I've been squatting for a while so I can do 3x5 at 365 regularly- and people freak the fuck out when they see that.

Last week a dude came up from behind me mid-set and tried to "spot" me by basically humping me. I almost lost it on the dude, I clearly didn't need help and he just threw me off.

/rage.

Obviously he wanted to just appreciate your rear end. But yea that's obnoxious and I've had that happen to me once as well. Dude wasn't humping me but it was awkward..it's like "what the fuck are you doing man".
 

Bradlums

Member
For being a fitness thread and not just a strength training thread, there is a quite the lack of cardio workout info in the OP like running and swimming workouts. smh...

Edit: While I don't have much to add, I will say that cardio is helpful to practically anyone trying to get in shape. Can really help add tone to your body. Going for a run in between strenuous lifting days is always an option.
 
Bradlums said:
For being a fitness thread and not just a strength training thread, there is a quite the lack of cardio workout info in the OP like running and swimming workouts. smh...

Edit: While I don't have much to add, I will say that cardio is helpful to practically anyone trying to get in shape. Can really help add tone to your body. Going for a run in between strenuous lifting days is always an option.

This is pretty much a weight lifting thread, been like that for 3 threads now. But all forms of fitness are discussed.

If you have some exercises that you think would be beneficial, go ahead post about them, new ways to train are always welcomed.

Also toning is a misnomer. You don't "add tone" to your body, more so, you're reducing body fat.
 

Prez

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I'm having a huge problem with soreness apparantly. Saturday I did some concentration curls (4 sets of 10) with a weight of only 6lbs and 4 days later my arms are still extremely sore. I can't completely stretch my arms and now I just look weird when I walk :/

I'm very sure I did the exercise correctly, so what could cause it? Last time I did concentration curls was a year ago and I had the same problem then. It took more than a week for the soreness to go away. I eat lots of meat, plenty of whole-wheat bread and drink tons of milk and water, so I just don't get it.

Saadster said:
If you're skinny or on the skinny side, you will see aesthetic result within a few weeks, trust me. But I still recommend full body routines (and arm work as well), noticing your whole body change before your eyes is a tremendous confidence/self esteem boost, especially when others start noticing as well. You won't want to stop working out when that happens. I can tell you this because that's what I am doing currently, squat/deadlift/press/bench press along with some arm exercises, has worked out splendidly.

Eat big, lift heavy, enjoy the results. Don't be discouraged if you have to start out light, it's a work in progress thing. Starting strength in the OP is a great program.

Thanks, I'll give it a try :) I really need to work out if just for the mental benefits (works great for anxiety since it stimulates the production of serotonin in the brain).

dentoomw said:
From reading your post, I get the feeling that you just don't have any meat in there at the moment, so I think you should probably consider eating a little bit more than you might be normally used to.

You made me chuckle there! :D My diet mostly consists of meat and milk. In fact, I barely eat any fruit or vegetables (can't stand the texture of most fruits and vegetables, but that's another issue)
 
Stabbie said:
I'm having a huge problem with soreness apparantly. Saturday I did some concentration curls (4 sets of 10) with a weight of only 6lbs and 4 days later my arms are still extremely sore. I can't completely stretch my arms and now I just look weird when I walk :/

I'm very sure I did the exercise correctly, so what could cause it? Last time I did concentration curls was a year ago and I had the same problem then. It took more than a week for the soreness to go away. I eat lots of meat, plenty of whole-wheat bread and drink tons of milk and water, so I just don't get it.

Sounds like... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_onset_muscle_soreness
 

Prez

Member
Luscious LeftFoot said:

Yeah I know what it is and I know it's normal, but it lasts much longer than it should. I shouldn't even think about training the same muscle group more than once a week, yet most beginner programs have each muscle group twice a week, so I figure something's not right.

I walked past a mirror today and I look ridiculous with my arms in a constant 45° angle :/
 

Sarye

Member
Stabbie said:
I'm having a huge problem with soreness apparantly. Saturday I did some concentration curls (4 sets of 10) with a weight of only 6lbs and 4 days later my arms are still extremely sore. I can't completely stretch my arms and now I just look weird when I walk :/

There are two general reasons why you're sore. One is what Luscious mentioned which is DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) and the 2nd is not eating enough protein.

With DOMS, you need to work through the pain. If it is your scheduled arm day then continue doing it. Don't skip it. You actually feel better after your workout despite your body not in the mood to do so.

The good thing is that after a week or so, you won't experience DOMS.. at least at that intensity again. It's the initial hurdle that sucks. Granted if you take a long break and go back to working out, then all bets are off.

If you've been working out for a few weeks and still feel sore, the latter is most likely the reason why you're sore. Eat more protein, about 1x your body weight in grams. (so if you weight 150lb, you'll eat 150g of protein give or take)

Edit: Just saw your reply so I bolded what you need to do.
 
In my experience, rest at least 1 full day but as long as you are getting enough protein, you can work out again even if you have DOMS. The soreness will disappear once you start working and your body will adapt and be less sore the next time.

Counterintuitively, continued exercise may temporarily suppress the soreness. Exercise increases pain thresholds and pain tolerance. This effect, called exercise-induced analgesia, is known to occur in endurance training (running, cycling, swimming), but little is known about whether it also occurs in resistance training. There are claims in the literature that exercising sore muscles appears to be the best way to reduce or eliminate the soreness, but this has not yet been systematically investigated.
I think Starting Strength says it also.

As for your arms right now, sounds like you're tight. Do some push ups or something light and get the muscles warm and see if that doesn't help.
 
DogWelder said:
It honestly sounds like tendinitis. But I've never heard anyone getting it from curls. I think most people get it from lying arm extension exercises like skullcrushers.

Yup. Happens to me when I do the single dumbell tricep exercise. My elbows feel sore, too. Not only that, but that round bone part next to it more than the elbow. I did back yesterday with regular pull ups and then pull ups with those two bars sticking out. My biceps were a little sore this morning when I woke up. Today I did bis and triceps.

I guess I'll start doing biceps with back. There's no point in doing arms when I already did back the day before. Seems counterproductive.
 
Been doing Insanity for about a week and I feel a lot better now. While I do like the program, I want it to supplement my workout as opposed to being my main routine. I will still continue to do both but I will focus more on the gym and do Insanity several times a week. One thing though was that I went for a jog and noticed my endurance has gone up in addition to the fact that my legs and calves felt super lose and real good. That was a pleasant surprise.
 
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